It's Supernatural

Sid:  On yesterday’s broadcast I was speaking to my good friend Jonathan Bernis.  You’re familiar with him perhaps you’ve seen him on television “Jewish Voice with Jonathan Bernis.” We were talking about when… how many years ago was that we used to pray in tongues and supernatural languages Jonathan?

Jonathan:  Sid we’re coming up on 30 years; it was 1984, 85, 86 so…

Sid: So we used to get together for days of prayer and fasting and praying in tongues.  And you started doing things that frankly you didn’t understand and I didn’t understand.  As we got deeper into praying in tongues you started travailing like a woman in childbirth and we didn’t even know what was going on. But when you pray in supernatural languages you are prophesying your future.  And by the way the devil doesn’t have a clue.  And I’m reminded of another experience Jonathan we had.  We both went to a camp meeting with Kenneth Hagin, and he called us forward and he prophesied over me in English.  And then he prophesied over you but what happened to you when he started to prophesy?

Jonathan: Well the power of God came all over me and He began to speak in other tongues, in other languages.  I believe that he was prophesying directly to my spirit.  And it could have been about the call to Russia; the Jewish people in Russia in the Soviet Union.  But I knew that something was going on it was bypassing my mind. Frankly Sid maybe what he was saying if I had processed it with my mind I would have been in unbelief but because it came out in other tongues it went directly into my spirit and released faith.

Sid: But I found it interesting; he did that because he did not want the devil to even hear this word.  I’m convinced of that and the presence of God I mean you were out; you didn’t even… I had to tell you what happened because you didn’t even know what was going on.

Jonathan: I know.

Sid: And actually, I’ll tell you when it was; it was January 26, 1995. Let me read to you and mine was in English.  And this is what he prophesied over me.  “Earnest sincere desires, hungry in your spirit will be satisfied.  Fulness, fulness, fulness ability imparted on to you.”  And then he began to laugh (Ha, ha, ha, ha) “Stand the test, win the battle, do the work, great work.  Many will be gathered, many, many, many, many.”  And you know what?  I have found since that point when he started doing (Ha, ha, ha, ha) that when I pray in supernatural languages when the prayer has gotten to heaven and it really has gotten through I start speaking ha, ha, ha, ha.  And I know that I’m laughing at the devil you don’t have a clue of what I’m saying Mr. devil you must be going mashuga, you must be going crazy. (Laughing)

Jonathan:  That’s right and I begin to laugh hysterically sometimes when something’s been broken in the spirit.  And then it materializes in the flesh; it’s an amazing thing.  First in the spirit and then in the natural.

Sid: And you had to raise ridiculous sums of money to bring all the people from the United States to the former Soviet Union and do these big Jewish concerts and dance festivals and outreaches.  I’m convinced again you were even prophesying the money that would come in for it. And you had it come in in a very supernatural fashion.

Jonathan: Absolutely true and I’m sure that that was the case.  Sid when we had our first outreach.  You remember that big beautiful hall like the Carnegie Hall of St. Petersburg?  When I rented that hall I had no money; no money at all.  No money for the hall rental, no money for the advertising, no money for the plan tickets, no money for the hotel, no money for the sound and lights; nothing, nada.  And through prayer, and I belive much of it supernatural and other tongues, I got a call from someone that I’d never met that ended up paying for 80% of the entire event.  One person; never met him and he heard about me and called me right before I left for Russia.

Sid: But I got to impress on those that we’re mentoring right now if you and I some 30 years ago did not spend days praying and fasting and speaking in supernatural languages I don’t believe these things would have happened.  I mean when I walk around It’s Supernatural Ministry and I realize that we have state of the art and the buildings all paid for and we’re all over the world and we’re going now into the Spanish language and we’re in the Russian language all over the former Soviet Union.  And we’re in the Farsi language and I say “Who could possibly have believed that?”  But Jonathan you said that there was a second key in addition to speaking in tongues that triggered your faith.  What was that?

Jonathan:  Sid let me just say this “Without faith it’s impossible to please God.”  And I don’t think that anything of lasting value; I’m talking about that which remains after the wood, hay, and stubble is burned away happens any other way than through faith.  Unless the Lord build the house those who labor labor in vane; and that is built through faith.  The second way that we can build faith and hear from God and release things prophetically and see creative miracles is through the word of God.  Confession of the Word of God Roman’s 1:17 tells us that “Faith comes from hearing and that hearing by the word of God.”  Now that verse has the hearing twice in it.  And that’s not by accident; I don’t want people to miss this.  There’s two kinds of hearing everyone; there’s hearing with the natural ear and there’s hearing secondly with the ear of the Spirit.  And the gateway to the ear of the Spirit is the natural ear; we confess the word of God; we confess the word of God; and eventually we hear it with the inner ear of our spirit. And when it gets into our spirit it releases faith; faith is built up. And when we confess it again it’s creative it has force.  And it becomes what we decree drops into the natural realm when we see it come to pass.

Sid: Let me read a prophesy from Malachi chapter 3 verse 16 & 17.  It blew me out of the water when I read this the other day.  “Then those who feared the Lord spoke to one another and the Lord listened and heard them. So a book of remembrance was written before him; for those who fear the Lord and who mediate on His Name they shall be Mine.”  There’s that meditating again.

Jonathan: Yeah, that mediate; that word mediation is different than the Christian concept of meditation.  The Christian concept of meditation is to reflect with the mind.  But the Hebrew which is Haga and that should be familiar to Jewish people listening we have the Haggadah which is to tell the story of Passover. It’s to confess; it’s to confess; it’s to groan; it’s to sigh to mutter; to speak forth.  And when God exhorted Joshua to be strong and to take the land.  He said “To mediate confess; speak forth on my word day and night and if you do that you’ll be successful and you’ll take the land.”

Sid: Now, let’s go to this beautiful coffee table book “Confessing the Hebrew Scriptures with a CD inside and it’s called “The Lord is Peace.”  Take me through this.

Jonathan:  Okay Sid this is a work book that’s what I call these; these series on confessing the Hebrew workbook.  It is a beautiful bound book that would be a great coffee table book; with beautiful restful pictures.  And so on the back there’s a CD; you put the CD in and you begin to follow along in the English and then the Hebrew. And then I employ a technique a system I learned growing up in synagogue called “Transliteration.”  Very few Jewish people can actually read Hebrew anymore so our prayer books have this transliteration which is phonetically sounding out the Hebrew in English so we can read along and be part of the prayers in the synagogue.  Well I’ve employed that method to this workbook; so without any study; without any knowledge of Hebrew in 5 minutes you can be confessing scriptures related to this name of God, Jehovah Shalom, or Adonai Shalom.  Peace, rest, breaking through anxiety, fear and so on.  And you’re actually confessing the word of God in the Hebrew language along with a Hebrew speaker on the CD with beautiful music in the background.  And Sid by doing that you’re speaking in the tongue of the prophets; scriptures that directly combat anxiety, fear, tension, depression.  And the word shalom is related to completion, the wholeness and it actually drops into your spirit eventually.  You’re building faith, it actually changes you; I promise anyone that will actually put this to work will be changed in a week.

Sid: This is brand new but you’ve had a similar one out on healing; but you know what this combines both of them because as you explained the word shalom completeness. Complete in your spirit, in your soul and in your body.  So every area of life and this day and age we’re living in many feel as the Orthodox Jews do that we’re in the footsteps of Messiah.  And everything that can shake is going to be shaken and if you have built into your spirit the shalom, the completeness of God no weapon formed against you can prosper.  But what types of feedback did you get when you did this several years ago?  What types of healings and testimonies did you get?

Jonathan:  Well, we had some great testimonies Sid; we had people that were completely delivered; supernaturally delivered.  I had a very touching letter from a pastor who actually heard about this resource on your program and they ordered the workbook “Jehovah Rophek, the Lord our healer.”  And he gave it to a woman in his church who was dying of Leukemia and she began to play it.  In fact the doctors gave her 10 to 12 days to live. He gave her the CD and the workbook, she listened to it continually; she confessed these scriptures and she was completely healed.  The doctors declared that she was completely healed that she didn’t even have Leukemia cells in her body at all.  And then her body began to produce blood cells again.  And she has lived to declare the works of the Lord; amazing testimony it’s just one of many that we’ve received through people that have received this and put it to work in their life.

Sid: My guest is Tommy Welchel and Tommy is the last living link to the Azusa Street Revival and he’s going to share what he heard firsthand from the survivors; they were elderly people.  He actually lived with them; they took him off the streets. His father was in prison and he was living in the streets and he was addicted to drugs and alcohol.  And he got radically saved; he got radically set free from his addictions.  They felt God told them to pour into Tommy the anointing’s they had.  To pour into Tommy the stories of everything that they had seen firsthand; because there was coming a time in which he was supposed to release this information.  And the thing that intrigues me the most is the 100 year prophecy; three of the leaders in different locations prophesied 100 years from the Azusa Street Revival there would be a breakout of miracles greater than Azusa Street.  It wouldn’t be just be 1 or 2 places, 1 or 2 special men or woman; it would be anyone that opened themselves up to the move of God’s Spirit.  And he was released by Jesus to start talking about these miracles.  Tommy, you were told these miracles as a young man and then you were told to keep quiet for something like 40 years about the miracles.  How do you remember them so well?

Tommy:  I’m in a major tribe; I’ve got an awful lot of Cherokee in me and I’m what they call in the Cherokee nation; “It’s a keeper”  We’re a people that you tell us something and then 30 years later we can retell it exactly like you told it to us.

Sid: Well and the thing that I am so intrigued over and yesterday we almost got to that point is the one that God used; one of the most unlikely; if you’re an unlikely guess what get ready.  God’s going to use you.

Tommy: That’s right.   

Sid: One of the most unlikely was a one eyed black man at a time before integration and the Spirit of God showed up in this warehouse in Azusa Street in California.  Almost everyone that walked in would walk out with radical miracles happening to them, but it lasted only 3 ½ years.

Tommy:  Yes.

Sid: And we found out yesterday that this fellow was so humble, William Seymour.  That he would put a black box over his head and he would pray.  Now when he prayed was he praying in supernatural languages; tongues or was he praying in English?

Tommy:  He told Brother Sines would ask him (the piano player) “What are you praying?” He said “I pray in the Spirit.”

Sid: So he would pray in tongues but I understand that then he would know what he was praying in tongues.

Tommy:   He understood it.

Sid: He had the gift of interpretation.

Tommy:  Yes.

Sid: And once he would find out what God wanted he would then; and only then take the box off of his head and whatever God said would happen.  But 3 ½ years later he had a broken heart; people were talking about him.

Tommy:  They tried to take the mission away from him.

Sid:  Why would they want to do that?

Tommy:  I don’t know, but they wanted… well one thing was he was not supposed to know anything he’s black.

Sid: So there was discrimination.

Tommy:  Discrimination.

Sid: Okay, do you know why after about 3 ½ years he took the box off of his head?

Tommy:  They said “He never did say.”

Sid:  But you know what I believe; I’m going to tell you a story a true sad story.  I was involved; I’ve been involved in several moves of God’s Spirit.  I was involved once in a move of God’s Spirit nothing like Azusa Street but a genuine move of God’s Spirit.  And one time I saw the Senior Pastor tell someone that was laughing in the Spirit so loud and he felt that he was disrupting his wonderful message.  He said “Next time that happens to you I want you to go out into the lobby and take a towel; put it in your mouth so that you’re not disrupting the service with that holy laughter.”  That’s what I believe happened with William Seymour; when William Seymour took that box off of his head what happened to the revival?

Tommy:  Within 2 weeks they told me; all of them told me within two weeks Shekinah glory had left; a few healings’ and a few people receiving the baptism but no natural stuff.  It just died.

Sid: And how old was he at that time?

Tommy:  Well, that would have been in 1909; he died in 1922 at 52 years old.

Sid:  But when the revival stopped how long did he live?

Tommy:  He lived 13 more years; so many people criticized Seymour and telling him “He’s getting too famous; too big to be setting there with that… some even said “A dumb box setting on your head.”

Sid: I have to believe that he listened to the people.

Tommy:  He started getting too… 

Sid: Rather than listening to God.  Now at this revival of Azusa Street; how important was the baptism of the Holy Spirit; praying in supernatural languages and tongues.  How important was that?

Tommy:  It was extremely important; when the greatest miracles would happen when Seymour would come down and he’d take that box off of his head.  And he say “Charles,” (that’s Brother Sines) “Play this tune.”  And Brother Sines would start playing it.   Then he’d walk around on the platform for a little while and then he’d say now “Start singing in the Spirit.”  And that means singing in tongues.  When they’d start singing in tongues the Shekinah glory would start swelling and fill the whole building.  And then the flames would shoot up into the roof.

Sid: Could everyone see the flames or just a few people?

Tommy:  No, about I’d say about 70% could see it.

Sid: Well, that’s almost everyone.  The flames would come out of the building and shoot up to Heaven.  What else would happen?

Tommy:  A ball of fire would appear about 50 feet from them and flames would shoot down and go through them and come into the building.

Sid: So it’s almost like the flames would unite from Heaven and Earth.  Now out of curiosity could people that were not in that building that may not even been believers could they have seen this when they were walking on the street?

Tommy:  Many called the fire department; they would come down to put out the fire and come running in with their axes and their hose. “The Place is one fire!”  And they’re going “No there is no fire.”  Finally they would go out; the first time they went out it was Seymour, John G. Lake, F. Balls-Worth; Brother Smith and Brother Sines all ran out looked up and saw the phenomena.  They said “No, that’s just the Shekinah glory like Moses and the burning bush.”

Sid: But I understand the glory started spreading from that building all the way to the train station.  Tell me about that.

Tommy:  The anointing went all the way down.  Brother Garcia; the one that told me the story of the arm growing out he lived straight across…

Sid: Wait a minute before you tell me that story you can’t leave that alone. Tell me about an arm growing out; tell me about that. (Laughing)

Tommy: Well, the man that had his arm even his shoulder joint ripped out on a job.  It had happened 10 years earlier and they didn’t have the benefits and the things that they have today.  So he’d come there and Seymour had come up and was talking to the man and said “Now, can you work?”  And he said “No sir I can do minimal jobs and that means I get minimal pay.”  He said “Are you married?”  And he said “Yes.” He said “You got kids?”  And he said “Yes” he said “Can you make a living on it.” He said “Hardly, I can hardly feed them.”  And he said “Folks this man needs his old job back.” And he jokingly said “If I pray for you and God gives you a new arm “Will you tithe?”  And the man said “Yeah, yeah.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Tommy:  And he says “Now I’m just teasing you.”  He said “Folks you want to have fun like we did when the man leg grew out and he said “Well, we’re fixing to.”  He told them, “Take this artificial arm off of him.”  Well, they did and brother Garcia looked down into the hole in the socket and it was just bone and it wasn’t very good it looked bad. And he said “Seymour laid his hand on his shoulder and started praying.”  Now the flames was shooting out and flames was coming down and they said “The bones started gowning out and about 4 inches behind it flesh was starting to forming around it.”  And he said “I could sit there and watch it just grow out,” he said “I even seen when the finger nails appeared on it!”

Sid: Can you imagine the impact it would have on someone’s faith in everything God has to see an entire part of a shoulder; an entire arm growing out.  Okay, what was going on; what were you told about the train station?

Tommy:  Okay, Garcia said when he would come in.  He was a young man he wasn’t married yet.  In the wintertime it was no real bad winter there but it would be dark when he would get home and he’d come in you know and try to get ready and come out on his porch and he’d look over and try to see the mission from Pine Street.  It was a block away from the big boulevard that ran right past the train station.  Now if you’d seen the flames going up he’d said he would run to Azusa the whole mile.  But this day it wasn’t but he was walking by and he looked out and the platform was full of people just laying there. And he said “My God there must have been some kind of disaster.”

Sid: This was at the railroad platform.

Tommy:  Yeah, it’s a ½ mile away from Azusa.

Sid: So you’re saying that the glory in Azusa went ½ mile and flattened just normal people not even believers from the presence of God.

Tommy: Most of those were believers.

Sid: Okay.

Tommy: They were getting off but some weren’t.

Sid: Oh. I’ll tell you what we’re out of time.

 

Sid: We want everywhere to hear God’s voice for themselves.  And there are people I can almost hearing you saying “Yes, I want to hear Your voice for myself God” it that’s you I tell you what Richard Mull has been raised up by God.  He hears God’s voice so clearly and he’s been raised up to mentor you to specifically do everything you hear about I the Bible to hear God’s voice for yourself. Richard give us a few tips on how to hear God’s voice.

Richard: You know a lot of times it’s important when we’re first learning to do something to clear away the distractions.  I used to think I could only hear God if it was quiet and I found out that it doesn’t matter how loud it is or how many distractions there are. God’s voice…

Sid: I know people that say “I only hear God’s voice in the shower.”

Richard:  (Laughing) Yeah I was in an event in New York City and the music was so loud I couldn’t hear myself when I was talking or shouting I couldn’t hear myself and I thought “There’s no way I could hear God to do ministry right now.”  And it was like the still clear voice was so clear I was like “That is amazing He’s louder than this music is and He didn’t have to shout,” and it was surprising to me. Typically when you are new at something you want to eliminate those distractions so it’s important to find a quiet place and be able to concentrate and focus and not have any distractions.  The next thing to understand is just a little bit about what God’s voice sounds like. I always thought it would sound like thunder rolling in the background from the clouds. You’d hear James Earl Jones or Morgan Freeman’s voice [Imitating sound of thunder, then talking with a very deep voice] “Richard this is God” or something along those lines.

Sid:  (Laughing)

Richard:  So I would wait and I didn’t hear anything like that.  And then I realized that God speaks Spirit to spirit. And when the spirit speaks to us we interpret that in our mind so we’re going to process what God says in our mind.  Sometimes that could be pictures, and that would be a vision.  Sometimes that would be a song; sometimes it could be a scripture verse.  Sometimes it’s like an impression but it’s really clear and we can understand what that impression means.  And so I asked people to pay attention to what’s going on in your mind.  I used to ask to hear God and it would drive me crazy because I would see pictures.  And I thought “Why can’t I get rid of these images?  And I would have thoughts; God type thoughts but I got to get rid of all of my thoughts.  I got to get rid of these pictures so I can hear the James Earl Jones type of voice coming from Heaven?  Then I realized that the Spirit of God has been speaking to me for years.  When I would ask God to speak to me He would give me visions; but I didn’t know that’s what it was because no one had ever said.  Just like God said to Jeremiah, “Jeremiah what do you see?”  He said to Amos “What do you see?”  And they would say something really ordinary, “I see a boiling pot.”  Most of the times when I’m seeing things there just ordinary things but then God explains to me what they mean.  When I tell Him what I see and I say “What does mean?”  All of a sudden I know what it means.  His Spirit is bringing illumination.  So it’s very important I believe to write down.  And I ask people when they begin to write this down what they’re getting in their mind to not censor it.  Not yet; that’s the last step.  It’s important to test everything you hear because people can hear the voice of the enemy.  Sometimes our own imaginations; our own thoughts can be operating.  But when you’re in the writing process and when you’re in the listening process don’t censor it; write it all down. I was teaching a couple young girls that had been adopted from Russia to do this because it was interesting because they wrote down every word like I told them.  And the first thing they heard was “Don’t listen to this guy he doesn’t know what he’s talking about he’s going to hurt you get away from him.”  And I said “Thank you for writing that down; what was that.”  What was that, “Oh, that’s the demons that talk to us.”  And I said “Does the church that you go to talk about demons?” And she said “No, I’ve had demons my whole life.”  And I said “Okay, is that all you wrote down?” She goes “No.”  And I said “What else did you write down?”  She said “The next thing I wrote down was “Don’t listen to them; I am here and I’m going to heal you.”  And I said “Wow.

Sid: Hm.

Richard:  What do you think that was?  And she said “Oh, that was God.”  And I said “Have you heard Him before?”  And she was like “Yeah I hear Him but most of the time I’m hearing the demons.”  And I was like it was so profound because that’s what many people experience.  The spirit realm is more real than we realize; and when we write down what we’re getting it’s usually pretty easy to tell.  Oh, this is God; this is the enemy and this is my own thoughts.  But when we ask God to speak to us and we write down what comes to our mind most of the time what begins to happen write it down.

Sid: Is it important to write it down; can’t you just remember it?

Richard:  I can’t remember what my wife told me to get at the grocery store.

Sid: (Laughing)

Richard:  And that list is four items long and I get there and I can’t remember but one of the items.  And I get the wrong thing.  And I have a pretty good mind and a pretty good memory and I don’t know what it is. That’s why I write down every word because even when I’m doing ministry people tell me very important things.  And if I don’t write it down I’m not going to remember to get back to it because it’s going to be fuzzy the details.

Sid: How do you test whether it’s God or the devil on something you’ve written down?

Richard:  First of all it’s important to have a good understanding of scriptures because that makes it easier to test.  You know for me I didn’t know how to test it and I didn’t know to test for a long time.  But I just saw over the year of doing it it’s always right.  When I write down what I think God’s telling me for someone it’s always right; they confirm it.  And in that I just grew in confidence because when I would know something about someone I would know what they think about different things. He would tell me to say things to people that it was going to touch them.  And I would think “What?” And I would tell them what God had told me to tell them and they would start weeping and I was like Wow!  Because He knows the inmost thoughts of their heart, and when I would speak what He would give me it would bear fruit and way better than anything that I had ever done or could do with my words.

Sid: You know I was reading on you have a section called hindrance to hearing God’s voice and let me ask you about this one.  How we treat others and in particular husbands or wives and children and parents or other relationships?  Explain why that’s a hindrance.

Richard:  Well, there’s a scripture that says that God won’t hear our prayers if we miss treat our wives.  It’s funny how that ended up in my conference because one of the woman that was editing my material she had a challenging relationship with her husband.  And she threw that in there and made me a good point for it and I kept it because it’s right there in the Word of God.  That sometimes our relationship with God is hindered because of how we treat our wives or how we treat other people.  And so it’s just one of the ways that we can be hindered.  When we have bitterness in our heart it separates us from God.

Sid: And another hindrance that you talk about is the cares of this world.

Richard:  Yep and again they all come from scripture the hindrances that when we are so caught up in this world and filling our time, our attention; from the time we wake up we turn on the television we’re catching the sports news and listening to it on the radio.  It’s what we talk about at break.  You know we go to a restaurant we’re watching you know keeping track of the scores you know or whatever.  All that stuff I love but if I’m not intentional about my relationships then I don’t grow in those relationships because I’m not intentional with time with my wife that relationship falters.  If I’m not intentional with my relationship with God and not take time to listen even though He’s talking I don’t hear Him.  My wife can be 5 feet away from me; 2 feet away from me talking to me but I think she’s talking to someone else I don’t hear a word she says.  God is there and He’s talking but so many times we’re distracted and we think oh, He’s not talking to me and so we’re not listening.

Sid: Real brief, tell me what your prayer life is like.  What time do you usually start praying?  How do you pray?

Richard:  I love the fact that God wakes me up early in the morning and that it’s like hanging out with my best friend.  I ask Him what He wants to speak to me about today.  It took me a while for me to be willing to listen to God for me because I could listen to God for others because He was so loving to them.  But I had this fear like I’m going to the principal’s office like God’s going to straighten me out about something. But when I would listen to Him for me it would be like that fear “What is He going to say?”  It was like He would build me up and speak of His love.  I finally realized that wow, I was going to block; I think I know God’s love but I anticipate that He’s going to say mean things; hard things.  And I began to realize that as I listen to Him how loving He is and there’s nothing that builds me up more.

Sid: Whoops we’re out of time right now.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be on the Mall in Washington D.C. on October 22. Now I have Bishop John Gimenez on the phone from Rock Church. He is actually the Bishop of the Rock Ministerial Fellowship which has over 600 churches internationally. He’s come to our attention many times over the years because God has used him to have what was called Washington for Jesus type rallies that have gathered over a million Christians on the Mall.  And he says to me, and I believe it, that we’re at the most critical point in history of the United States and if we don’t do something now there’s no hope for our nation.  If we do not repent corporately he has seen God change circumstances based on Christians gathering in Washington for Jesus in ’88 and ‘80. But John I want to take you back a little bit because the Mishpochah do not know you. You came from a pretty hard background in New York.  Just briefly tell me about that.

John: Sure Brother Sid I was born in Harlem, Spanish Harlem, New York from Puerto Rican parents.  My dad was a Methodist Minister actually, but I grew up there in the slums there. And got entangled with the kids in the street at the age of 11 I was put away in a reform school.  I was just a wild wild kid, my father tried, my mother tried but I just would run away.  And so I was put away and there 4 years in reform school came out and pretty soon I was in a worst place.  And finally ended up in Sing Sing Prison; all burned out and hell fire.  I was just in jail and hospitals because I became a drug addict at the age of 15 and using heroin.

Sid: So look from what I hear you should have died.

John: I should have died.

Sid: I mean you should have been history but obviously your father and mother’s prayers must have been surrounding you.

John: I believe as a baby my mother dedicated me to the Lord and to the ministry. I didn’t know that till many years later. And that dedication of covenant was made and God is a covenant keeping God.  And although all of my friends had started with me are dead and died young many years ago.  And I had taken overdoses, I have been shot at you name it you know Satan has been trying to kill me for a long time. But God has purpose for our life and at the age of 31, same day I came out of prison I walked into a little church small church in the Bronx looking for a bed to sleep in not looking for God.  Because they used to work with drug addicts and so forth.  There I had encounter with Yeshua Mashiach and He came into my life, and man it’s just not… a lot of people don’t believe when I tell them where I came from. No education, no vocation, no future, no anything, no house, no home. Even my parents didn’t want me and God just took me in when no one else wanted me He took me.  And here we are today and it’s hard to tell this story because it’s seems impossible but all things are possible with God Sid. And I’ve met people like you and I’ve met the giants of the faith throughout the world and it’s just been… well it’s just been God, just God.

Sid: God confounds the wisdom of the wise and he uses people like you and people like me.  He uses the foolish things of this earth to show that He’s God.  But we’re talking about something so significant in the history of the United States of America, and even in the history of Israel.  What is the connection as you see it?

John: Yes as I see it, America for some reason has become sort of the watchman on the wall for Israel and sort of a protectorate. We know God protects Israel, but God set this nation aside to be a strong arm for Israel.  And the enemy understands that and that’s why he’s attacking now as forcefully as he’s ever attacked.  If he can knock off the church in America the evangelical church. The church that understands our connection and relationship with Israel, if he could do that he can stop us and bring control over us and so forth, he then has an open field, he thinks, to Israel.

Sid: Let me tell you something that our president did that most Christians in America are not even aware of it. When President Bush declared war on Saddam Hussein; when our troops went over to Iraq a lot of people were upset over that, but they don’t realize that as a result of that he probably spared great destruction to Israel. They were going to… and forget this nonsense about weapons of mass destruction. The fact that we didn’t find them there has nothing to do with anything. He’s used them on his own people.

John:  That’s right.

Sid: So we know these weapons, you know he’s got them he just probably stored them at another Arab country.  However, they were poised and positioned to use them on Israel. And I believe that God literally used President Bush to spare Israel one more time.

John:  That’s why we got to keep President Bush in prayer.  The attacks against him both verbally, and mentally, and spiritually because there are demons assigned to the White House, they are real demons. I mean fallen angels, powerful who are assigned to bring confusion, disrupt, and attack and everything against the President. So we need to keep him in prayer.  But you’re absolutely right had he not intervened I want to tell you whose heading this stuff up down there.  It’s the sons of Lot, the Moabites, and the Ammonites and I mean the Amalekites are still around.  And they’re whole life they’re heard “Destroy Israel, destroy Israel.” That’s what they live for over there. Because President Bush and the church has taken such a stand for Israel to protect Israel.  And on Israel’s side we have of course have become the main targets. Because the enemy feels get rid of the Evangelical Church that knows that they are tied not only in a book where you says New Testament, but also Old Testament there. But we’re tied together by blood, but we’re tied together by faith. There cannot be a Christian church if there is no Israel. We who know the scripture know that, but there are enemies without and within that want to destroy. Their main key and emphasis is to destroy Israel.  But to destroy Israel you got to come against us here. And if they can discourage America, bring fear in America and terrorize America. Well, then America will then say “Well, if we back away from protecting Israel and let Israel fight on its own then we won’t have all of these attacks.  Fools, fools because the moment we do that, then we become nothing and we have no purpose.  Because without the attachment of the church and Israel there is no church.

Sid: I agree, now tell me why you selected October 22^nd as a day for national repentance and prayer.

John:  Well, I didn’t we never went to Washington this late we always went in April. So when we went to Washington to get a date. Because we know God called us to have this rally 2 years ago.  And when we went first they said “Well, maybe you can have it in September.”  We wanted it in April, the finally they said “No, someone else has it. This is the week we’ll give you. We’ll give you a whole week but it will be in October. Well, October I think that you have the feasts going on. And on the 15^th someone said…

Sid: September starts the high holy days of Israel

John:  Well, some people say they believe the Tabernacle Feast starts sometime in October there’s a lot of different theologies but be that as they may.  We had no idea and not even… we didn’t even think about it that it would be 10 days before the national elections.  So we didn’t choose it but here I would say without any hesitation God knows what was needed ad He chose that day.

Sid: You know that we’re not allowed to say a specific candidate to vote for, but we can say what sin is. Sin is condoning homosexuality, sin is murdering the child in the womb.

John:  Right.

Sid: Sin is New Age types of activities, sin is flooding our court system with very liberal judges that want us to be a Sodom and Gomorrah and it’s a clear distinction.  You vote according to the Bible. Sin is going against the land of Israel being the home of the Jewish people.  Because the first Zionist was not Theodore Herzl but was Almighty God.

John: Amen.

Sid: John tell me the details for our listeners on America for Jesus.

John: Well, when God spoke it to us He said “The house is on fire. The nation is cracking and burning and unless the church who has the word of God will go and stand before Me in repentance. Unless the church went to the book according to 2^nd Chronicles 7:14 and did exactly what God has required in that scripture, repent.” Well first of all it’s having an understanding of what we’re all about. “If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways.”  Four things we need to do. Then He said “I will hear, I will forgive, and I will heal.” and unless the church does that. And unfortunately Sid a lot of the church says “Well, I’m too busy.”  I say to them are you too busy to watch your house, your nation, your future. Not only of your home and your children, but the future of the church itself.

Sid: John we’re out of time. Okay Mishpochah circle the date on your calendar October 22^nd.  Meet me and John Gimenez in Washington, DC.  October 22^nd at the National Mall.

Sid: Getting ready to blow the grandest shofar; oh the grandest trumpet. I mean when else should we do it then the Feasts of Trumpets Rosh Hashanah that began last night. And today is Rosh Hashanah.  My guests are Gennady and Svetlana they are Russian Jews that are red-hot for the Messiah living in Canada right now.  And Gennady and Svetlana host the Russian version of our evangelism show for Jewish people on secular radio in Israel.  It’s in the Russian language, that’s why their hosting it, and Russian Jews large numbers are listening to this and they write for this which is the Russian version which has all the facts they need to know why Jesus is the Messiah and it’s presented to them by a Russian Jewish believer from a local Jewish congregation in Israel or a congregation in Germany. We want to spread this throughout the world. And on yesterday’s broadcast Gennady we found out that, although you came from an atheistic background, that you did not believe in the supernatural a Christian couple befriended you when you and your wife moved there.  And started teaching you the basics of the Bible the exact type of thing that you’re doing now with large numbers of Russian Jews through Messianic Vision.  But the thing that attracted you was the supernatural, you saw miracles.  And this is what will attract the Russian Jews because Gennady moves in supernatural words of wisdom and knowledge. And although this is a brand new venture I believe that many many Russian Jews are going to get supernaturally healed as Gennady moves in these words of knowledge. And we found out that Gennady moves in these words of knowledge and wisdom.  And we found out that Gennady had a vision for the first time and as a result of that he received the Messiah. But then the pull of the world, the secular, drew him towards wanting him to be a rock and roll recording artist and he had a contract.  And he had his record and all of a sudden he was in an automobile accident and he heard the word of God. What did God say to you Gennady?

Gennady: Well, the Lord said to me “I have fulfilled what you’ve been looking for but you never kept your word.” When I heard this everything else fell off of me. All of the desires, all that has been in past with this studio and everything else it just became nothing.  And when I came out of the car all of a sudden I saw a fellow he was about maybe 20 – 25 years old.  He came out of nowhere, white shirt, black pants I remember that a lot of people were there to help us. But he came to me and he said “You need to come back go God.”  How did he know me, he never met me. I think Sid that it was an angel, you know what I mean.  We talk about…

Sid: It had to be.

Gennady: Yeah, if you’re talking about supernatural God was pouring on me supernatural from the time I begin to ask Him with the visions and everything else and God spoke to me with audible voice in the car.  And then He sent me an angel.  I mean God didn’t want to let me go for some strange reason.  And then within a week… I mean after this car accident I didn’t care about my car anymore.  The desire in my heart was to come back to these people that led me to the Lord and I wanted to go through mikvah and by the way it’s water baptism. I wanted to make a commitment this time that I am standing with God that I’m not going to move anywhere.  So I run to their house and when they saw me and when they heard my testimony they cried because they prayed for me since April till that time they were praying for me so that I may come back to God.  And I believe that just the Lord didn’t allow me to depart.  And then within next week they have arranged for me to have a mikvah. And that’s when the miracle took place in my wife’s life.

Sid: I’ll tell you what let’s put Svetlana on right now; I want to find out what happened to this atheistic Russian Jew.

Svetlana:  Hello.

Sid: Hi Svetlana.

Svetlana: Hi.

Sid: Now when your husband heard this audible voice and he said “He wants to go through the mikva,” baptism, what did you think?

Svetlana: Well, I didn’t know nothing what he wanted to do because he didn’t share with me.  The only time that he shared with me was when we were having breakfast with our friends and he was more bold when they were around.

Sid: (Laughing)

Svetlana:  (Laughing) So he said you know Svetlana I would like to have a water baptism today.  And I was terrified, Sid I was just amazed you know I couldn’t speak because I was speechless because as a Jewish person he going to have a water baptism.  To me it was finished, to me I felt that Gennady had just canceled his Jewishness, canceled his Jewish roots.  Like Sid he just separated himself that was so dear to me and I was really upset for his decision but I didn’t say anything to them.  And I said “Okay, it’s fine with you, it’s fine with me.”  And I remember we went to the place and we had mikvah and everybody was holding hands and praying together.  I was just speechless, I was very unhappy I didn’t feel very good because I felt I don’t belong there you know.  Because I was trying to find myself, find my Jewishness in the going to synagogue involving social activities and you know in trying to be a good part of… trying to be a good Jewish person. Do as much as I can for my Jewish community but here my husband is just doing something strange, he’s behaving weird and I’m very very upset and I’m very confused.

Sid: Now when you got home and you talked to Gennady how did you two react?

Svetlana: Not very good, (Laughing) not very good honestly I was very confused; I tried to read my Bible.  That’s the time when I started really started seeking for something because I saw very big change in Gennaday’s life and Gennaday’s behavior. I saw a change and I was jealous inside.

Sid: Well Svetlana you had all of these questions that were going on inside of you and so you get together with your husband and this couple again that had been witnessing to both of you and what happened?

Svetlana: What happened we came home late and I was very tired and from information and I really was exhausted and I went to bed and Gennady went to his room to pray.  And guess what, the next morning I get up and I said “Gennady you know what I have to share with you something I had a very strange dream to share with you.”  And he said “Yeah, what’s happened tell me.”  And I began to tell him the dream. The dream was that I was sitting in a big country house very lonely and the house didn’t have any windows only one door.  And I was sitting in depression and desperation knowing that my life was empty and I couldn’t find any answer to any questions in my life. And nobody could answer me. It was just the thought of despair, total despair; total depression and total disappointment of everything.  And suddenly I heard the knock on the door just real small knock of the door.  And I opened the door and I saw a man who was dressed like I knew that it was Yeshua, I never saw Him anywhere but somehow in my heart in the deepest heart of heart I knew it was Yeshua.  He looked at me very straight with His eyes full of compassion and full of love and full of wisdom.  He came to me with His open hands, He stretched His hands to me and I saw the mark of the nails.  He said “Come to Me My child and I will give you rest.”  And you know Sid I was amazed, I said “Gennady what does this mean?”  I never read the Bible I never heard this words. I didn’t even know what does it mean.  And when I told him that He said “Yeshua came to you, he said “Praise God I was praying for you and He answered my prayer and now you believe that He’s God.” Yes, I believe that Yeshua is God, He’s my Messiah He came to me.  He came personally to Me!”  I was so happy Sid and we were rejoicing with Gennady because he was amazed how fast God opened…

Sid: How fast he answered that prayer. You know Svetlana I’m reminded of the Russian Jewish atheist that was a little girl and she had such a fear of death.  What about now?

Svetlana: No I don’t have any fear of death because I know that when I go there I’m going to see Jesus Yeshua who will meet me there.

Sid: You know Svetlana today is Rosh Hashanah between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur we Jewish people pray and fast and go to the Synagogue that our name would be inscribed in the Book of Life, and we just believe the lie. And it is a lie and we’re told that just because we’re Jewish we’re okay and we go to the synagogue on Yom Kippur and everything is fine.  Well, I tell you that Jewish people are hungering and thirsting to know the truth more than ever before the spiritual scales are off of our eyes. And it is absolutely essential that you share Jesus with the Jewish person that God Himself has had cross your path. I mean we’re at the fullness of the Gentile age. Paul says “The spiritual scales will come off of the eyes of Jewish people” but it’s not an accident that Jewish person that Jewish person that God has had cross your path.  This week only I’m taking the book that God told me in a prophetic dream He came to me and He said “Sid, write this book of 10 Jewish testimonies and more Jewish people will come to know me than anything that you have ever done.”