It's Supernatural

PERRY:  So here’s another one. Ready? The tail of the dragon and serpent, remember it’s actually the Greek word for serpent, draws a third of the stars of heaven. You know what’s really wild? There is another snake in heaven. All the ancients know it as “Hydra, the serpent.” And if, if you take it and put it right in the circuit of heaven where the twelve major constellations are, from head, from the head of it to the tail of it, it can take up a third of the heaven. If you, if you take it this way and then turn it around and go that way, and I’m talking about in the circuit, some say it’s about a fourth total where it sits, but if you move it in to where the circuit is— Now is that not amazing how God would take an emblem of a snake, they called it a dragon. Because why? So that the people of that day who were so aware of this stuff, He would say “Now wait a minute, let me show you the real story of what happens in the heavens. Let me, let me use parallels.” So, so the point I make is we in the west, we don’t speak in symbolism. You know, we just tell it like it is. “I’m going to tell it like it is. You know, give him my piece of mind! Okay?” And we just make it clear: that’s purple, that’s blue, uh, the floor right here is black. That’s grey carpet. And we just tell it plain. We don’t say “And I saw sapphire-looking bricks—

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PERRY:      —like the firmament of the heaven on a clear day. No, I just say “That’s pretty colorful, it looks like a sapphire blue, ain’t it? Cool.” Okay? We don’t talk that way. But the ancients, if you’ve ever read the writings of the philosophers, they were detailed. They were descriptive. And the culture of that day demanded that a book be written in that form. Another thing you have to understand is let’s go back— “cause Daniel— Here’s something else. The Book of Daniel is the companion book to the Book of Revelation. I mean there are ten things that Daniel saw that John repeats. All right? One of the thing, one of the things that John saw that Daniel never got in detail with is, uh, John saw the “false prophet” in Revelation, chapter 13. And most of your Old Testament writers they see the “anti-Christ”, but they never see the “false prophet.” Now why does John wait to see the false prophet? Because the false prophet is representative as a lamb which is a false Christianity, and so God never showed it to Daniel “cause Christianity didn’t exist then. So what God does is He waits ‘til it exists. He waits ‘til it come into existence. And then He said, Okay, John, I’m going to show you something else. There’s a lamb with two horn’s going to come with this guy and he’s going to issue them— and He goes into all that. So God waits— it’s almost like— Let me say it to you this way— uh, this, this is good. I think Sid will appreciate this. It’s like the teaching of “The Rapture.” And one of the arguments I get about the Rapture teaching is, is people will say “Well, I’ve read the whole Old Testament and it’s not there.” Let me tell you something. Everything that’s doctrinally sound in prophecy is always found in the Torah. I wish I had time to show you all this. It’s always found.

Perry: I had to meditate on what did John mean when he said this book is a Revelation of Yeshua the Christ and yet He doesn’t appear all through the Book. Then you have to go into the Book to understand what’s going on. And I want to show you this. In the Old Testament time, there were three major positions. A prophet, a priest and a king. The prophet gave the voice of the Lord to the people, the priest made the intercession on behalf of the people, but the king had the authority over the people. And they all, when Israel was properly working, they all worked in cooperation with one other on behalf of the people of Israel.  Now when Jesus came to walk on the earth for about 33 years approximately, 33 and a half years, we know that He was called a prophet by the people. Even He said a prophet hath no honor in his own country. So they viewed Him on earth as a prophet. Now, when He leaves the earth in Acts chapter 1, goes back to heaven, Paul in Hebrews says He is the High Priest of the profession of our faith. So for well over 1900 and 80 some years Christ has been the High Priest ever-living to make intercession generation after generation after generation. But He is a priest according to Paul in Hebrews after the Order of Melchizedek. Melchizedek is found in Genesis, chapter 14. He is the, he is the priest of “Yerushalayim,” or Jerusalem. In that day it was called, your Bible translates this as Salem, it should be Shalem, which is the, a word out of which we get Shalom, he’s king of, actually it’s king of Shalom, which is the City of Peace, early name of Jerusalem. And this Melchizedek is, is King of Righteousness, from two Hebrew words, King of Righteousness. But he is a king and a priest, in other words he’s ruling from Jerusalem but he receives the tithe from Melchizedek which is what the priesthood would do. And so Jesus had to be a king and a priest. That’s my point.  He couldn’t be just a priest. He had to also be a king if he’s going to be after the order of this first man in Genesis, chapter 14. Now having said that, this is very important that you understand this. That in Revelation 1 when you see Him with a white garment. He’s got a gold belt on. He has no crown on His head. It’s very important in Revelation 1 you notice that there’s no identification. All He has is hair like wool. It’s like He’s got Sid Roth hair, you understand. White like wool, as white as snow. Believe me Perry Stone would have that too if he didn’t use something called dye on it. Ha! So just so you’ll know I’m pretty gray under all this. My little girl wants me to cover it up because she says I look too old so I did that for my little girl. That’s the excuse I use, at least.

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PERRY:  But in chapter 1 of Revelation you see Him and you know what you have a picture of there? A priest on the Day of Atonement.  Because on the Day of Atonement the High Priest had to take off all of his 8 “Garments of Beauty” which is the breastplates, the blue garment, the red, the, the miter which is the gold crown that says “Holy unto the Lord,” had to take it off and he had to put on four linen garments, linen pants that went down to the ankle, a linen robe, a linen belt and he had a linen headdress. Now in Revelation you see Jesus with the gold belt. I always said that gold belt is like World Wrestling Federation, that means He’s the champion, you know. So that’s, now that’s not in the Bible by the way, I just want to make that clear. But, uh, He’s got the gold belt on and He’s standing there before the candlestick so in other words that’s a picture of priest.

SID: Mary, you had a form of muscular dystrophy you were born with. What was it called?

MARY: Charcot-Marie-Tooth.

SID: What is the prognosis for this disease?

MARY: It is an incurable disease. It affects your extremities, your arms and your legs, and eventually the nerves stop sending messages to the muscles. You begin drawing up and atrophying and lose use of certain muscle groups.

SID: At age 12, you developed scoliosis and it says here that your spine had a curvature of 33 degrees.

MARY: Yes. One shoulder blade scapula developed more than the other. My back was very distorted and I had a burning sensation that if I lifted anything, I would usually have to go lie down for an hour because the pain was so great, I had to wait ’til it would pass before I could function again.

SID: At age 19, jumping real quickly, you had a healing. How did you get that?

MARY: At age 14, I went to a David Wilkerson Crusade and the Holy Spirit said, “Go down front.” I said, “I’m saved. You know I’m saved.” He said, “I want those in your high school to know your mind.” I went down front and filled out a card and they discipled me through the mail through the book of John. By reading the book of John, the Holy Spirit highlighted Scriptures that Jesus healed them all. I got ahold of that I am one of them “all.” I came across a Scripture and Jesus cast out the devil and they were healed.

I looked down at my body as a child and went, “This is a devil.” I searched Scriptures at age 14. I began trying to read all through the Bible, came across James 4:7. “Therefore, submit unto God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.” Over five years I stood on that Scripture. My mother took me anywhere she thought they would lay hands on me and pray for me, and over five years every bit of the disease left my body.

SID: I believe they did an analysis of your spine and the curvature. What did the doctor say about that? By the way, there is surgery that perhaps you could be corrected, but you didn’t have surgery. What did the doctor say?

MARY: Duke Medical Children’s Hospital x-rayed me every few months during these five years when I am standing on Scriptures, believing for my healing. They would line them all up and they would just shake their heads because every time I went in, the degree got less and less and less.

SID: Okay, 16 years go by, fast forward, five children, married. You had a little incident, a home church. You went there and they literally embarrassed you.

MARY: Publicly.

SID: Publicly humiliated you. You were wounded. Six months later, the disease hit you with a vengeance, far worse.

MARY: My husband and I walked a few blocks from our house, went through a park. We’re coming out of the park and in one step, I got paralyzed below both knees. Rich was walking down the road and I began calling his name. “Rich! Rich!” He turns around and he’s like, “Come on!” I go, “Come here!” He comes back and he goes, “what are you doing?” I said, “I can’t walk.” He goes, “What do you mean, you can’t walk?” I said, “I cannot move either leg.” He had to go home and get the vehicle and he had to carry me and put me in it. Those began the darkest days of my life. But I made a mistake in that moment.

SID: What did you do?

MARY: In my heart, I said, “The disease has returned.” I made an agreement in my heart with this disease and I should have resisted it.

SID: These symptoms can come back through the same demonic forces that brought them in the first place and if you can resist it at that moment, you don’t have to put up with it. That’s the easiest time to resist it.

MARY: God gave me a key on that. He said, “If you will take John 10:10 and divide the rest of your life by that one Scripture, you will no longer deal with this stuff.” John 10:10 says, “The thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy, and Jesus came to give life and life more abundantly.” He said, “If it’s coming to steal, kill, or destroy from you, anything, your thoughts, physical body, stop agreeing with it. If it’s bringing life, that’s where your agreement is. That where you let your mind go. That’s what you focus on. But you have to resist when it’s coming to steal, kill, and destroy.”

SID: You know what? She grabbed hold of that Scripture, but at that time she was in such a deep, dark pit that you really wanted to die.

MARY: I did. Now, cluster migraines have set in. I’m in bed over 16 days a month. That is how many. I would have four days of migraines, maybe two days out. Five days of migraine, and it was this vicious cycle day after day. I didn’t know if I could get out of bed. The pain is so great that I told God, “My husband’s good-looking. He’s very kind. Somebody else can come in here and take care of these children ’cause I am failing at this.” I began hating myself. I began despising myself and I cried out to God, “Please let me die.”

SID: We’re going to be right back, but she also cried out a question. “Why, God? Why me?” Be right back.

SID: Mike, you say that one of the most relevant scriptures at this moment in history is Psalm 2.

MIKE: Right.

SID: Why?

MIKE: I would say the most relevant prophetic scripture, meaning prophesying what’s coming, in Psalm 2, I think it is the most, and I’m a pretty eager student of End Time prophecy, the various chapters, I think this is the most relevant one for this hour of history, particularly in the western world, but really the whole world. And it’s because King David described a time where the kings of the earth and the rulers of the culture would raise their fist and challenge him, and say we’re going to drive the influence of the Word of God out of the culture, and we challenge you, the kings of the earth, across the earth.

SID: I see why you say that.

MIKE: It’s happening right now like no time in history. And I wrote a book on it called “God’s Answer to the Coming Crisis”. The crisis, there is a spiritual resistance against the Word of God and many in the church are becoming silent on the issue of the authority of the Word of God, the issues that are prevalent in our society and our culture to take a stand. And then, so Psalm 2, David describes the crisis, then he describes God the Father’s answer to the crisis. It’s remarkable. I’m not going to go into it right now, but a great revival is coming. Then it describes Jesus’s answer to the Father’s answer. And then after that, King David comes along and says, “Did you hear what the king said to the Father and what the Father said back, and what the son said to the Father?” And it gives us Holy Spirit insight to how God feels and what he’s doing, what Jesus is doing, how we’re to respond, and how intense the crisis is going to be. But here’s an overall message. We’re not to be shocked by the rising tide against the Word of God. We’re not to be intimidated, we’re not to be fearful. We’re to be bold and strong, and clear about what’s happening, and Psalm 2 lays it out masterfully. But if you don’t really know this psalm and you read it real quick, you won’t catch it, because I read it for years and didn’t quite catch it, but it’s really got depth to it.

SID: Tell me about the greatest outpouring of God’s spirit, a neck was just healed, the greatest outpouring of God’s spirit, greater even than the Book of Acts. What do you see? Tell me about it.

MIKE: I’ll give you the shortest answer of the biggest answer and I’ve got a big one. I believe that the miracles of Moses, the ten plagues of Egypt, and the miracles of the Apostles, the Book of Exodus, the Book of Acts, are going to be combined and multiplied on a global level. And I’ve got a number of Bible verses to back this up. The miracles of Moses, they were miracles in the created order, you know, where the sun and the darkness, and the water turned to blood, and the miracles of the Book of Acts, healing, salvations, they’re going to be combined and multiplied on a global level. And again, I could talk in a couple of hours on this subject using the Bible, but I’m just giving you my short answer.

SID: You know, there is a dumbing down of an area that you say is very important to God. This dumbing down unfortunately is in many churches and it’s called holiness. Tell me about what God feels is holy?

MIKE: I call it happy holiness because it’s not drudgery. We don’t pay the price to be holy, but we agree with God’s heart that’s filled with the light and joy, and goodness, and we agree with his leadership, and it liberates our heart. It’s the place of safety. It’s the place of vibrancy in our spirit, too. Holiness is the gift of God when we pursue this, but it’s been presented as an old fashioned drudgery that we kind of grit our teeth and agree with God, like, no, he’s the most beautiful, delightful being. His leadership is perfect. When we agree with him we get liberated from things that dull our spirit, that capture us, that steal the light out of our relationship with God. And so I call it happy holiness that’s based on enjoying God, delighting in his presence and delighting in God delighting in us.

SID: Pray right now, quickly, for first love to come back to those that want it. If you want your first love back, if you, studio audience, want your first love back, raise those holy hands to a holy God and you pray in the camera, please.

MIKE: Revelation, Chapter 2, Verse 4, Jesus said, “A great revival on Ephesus.” He said, “You have a great revival, but this I have against you. You don’t love me like you used to.” Revelation, and that’s the first love passage. Father, I ask you by the Holy Spirit, right now, to revive hearts. I ask for a restoration of the vibrancy and the adventure of restored love. I ask for the miracle of the recovered heart of a believer who feels dulled and bored in their walk with you. I ask for the adventure. I ask you for the delight, the exhilaration of when God moves on our heart for us to love God. So Holy Spirit, we know it takes God to love God. And I ask you, Holy Spirit, move on us, reveal the beauty of Jesus, reveal the delight of who you are and awaken our heart to love you the first and the great response of the human heart in this age, in Jesus’s name. Amen.

SID: Now let me remind you, if you want to see the extended content of this program with Mike, all you have to do, I can’t wait for you to share those things that Bob Jones just told the two of you, all you have to do is log onto SidRoth.org. It’s so easy.

SID: Now David, I’m excited because you’re a young man and you are so filled with the Spirit of God. And you came to this revelation. That’s fine. That was, how did you develop this relationship, this intimacy with the Holy Spirit?

DAVID: Well this is one of my favorite parts. I like the how-to because I would often hear sermons and I would go, that’s awesome, but tell me how I can do that, too.

SID: All right. There are even books on having a relationship with the Holy Spirit, but they don’t tell you how to.

DAVID: I mean, I’m the type of person, like you have to give me something I can apply right now, immediately, I can shut off this program, put this book down, go into my room and start acting it out.

SID: Right.

DAVID: So I want to talk about two things: silence and stillness. You see, the flesh, our carnal side, it can do many things and it will not put up a fight. You can sit in a worship service, it won’t put up a fight. You can watch a Christian broadcast, it won’t put up a fight. You can read the Word, atheists read the Word, cult leaders read the Word, but they don’t see transformation. But the moment you begin to seek the Lord, the flesh starts to put up a fight. Why? Because it’s in the seeking that the flesh dies. It’s in the seeking of the Spirit that the flesh dies. This is why, one of the reasons why the Holy Spirit wants to be sought. And so I had to learn this somewhat the hard way and I’ll just give you the short version, because I had pressed in to seek the Holy Spirit. There was a time in my life where there was swift movement to my spirituality and then I felt like I hit this wall, and I said I can’t go any further.

SID: By the way, you know David, a lot of people relate to what you’re saying. They’ve hit a wall, but they’ve never gone further. They just stayed there. It’s sort of they’re stuck as a ten-year-old.

DAVID: I’m going to say some things that are a little harsh, but some people need to hear it. The true proof that you believe in prayer is that you actually pray, and the only reason we don’t pray is because we don’t believe that it will work. And so, I mean, God made us promise. He said, “Seek me with all your heart and your body.” That’s a guarantee and if you’ll believe that you’ll seek him. If you don’t believe that, you won’t seek him. But the reward is him. He’s my great reward? Of course. So I found myself in that place. I hit that wall and I’m getting frustrated, but I moved beyond the frustration with the help of the Holy Spirit. I tried everything. I tried emotion. I tried to make up for in volume what I lacked in connection and I tried to connect with God with my emotion. He wouldn’t have it. I tried to use my intellect. I tried to use my passion. I tried to guilt God into a response, Lord, don’t you hear me, can’t you see me. But you see, intellect failed, emotion failed, willpower failed. “It’s not by power nor by might, but by my spirit,” says the Lord. So Matthew 6:6, Jesus says, “When you pray, go away, privately.” Private prayer is revealed in public power. If there is no public power it’s because there’s no private prayer. And so I began to seek the Lord privately.

SID: You know, that’s so good. You slipped right by there. I hope you heard what he said.

DAVID: And so then I had to learn the harder thing, which was stillness, and this is difficult. Psalm 46:10: “Be still and know that I am God.” Be still and know. Stillness precedes revelation, which means—

SID: I don’t see too many things in the movies and TV where people don’t say anything. We’re taught to fill empty space.

DAVID: Right and we’re uncomfortable with silence because the moment we’re silent we start to notice all the chaos within. And we say things like, well I didn’t feel this way until I began to pray. It’s not that it came up and we said, well the enemy attacked me when I started to pray. That’s not the case. That inner chaos was always there. You just were never quiet enough to recognize it. No wonder you’re walking around with depression and anxiety, and frustration, and confusion. That inner chaos is constantly going. But when you go to pray, it’s not, it doesn’t show up, it’s revealed. And so that’s why it used to take me four hours to get into the presence of the Lord to where I sensed his presence, not always physical manifestation and tangible power, but always the sense. We’re always to sense his presence, 24/7 awareness. I can tell you with all honesty, and I would not say this if it wasn’t true, I think you know that about me, there is hardly five minutes that go by where I’m not aware of the Holy Spirit, hardly five minutes where he doesn’t cross my mind in some way, where I don’t sense some communication. You might call it retreating within myself and fellowshipping with him.

SID: You know what, I need you to explain a little bit about this silence.