It's Supernatural

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. And before we went on the air I feel angels. My guest provokes me to jealousy. She sees angels. She told me in the makeup room and around the studio she has been seeing angels. Have you seen many? I mean, tell me, you say, I don’t know. I just feel them.

JUDITH: Just a few. You have a lot here, yes.

SID: I sense there are.

JUDITH: I think it’s because you welcome them.

SID: I welcome everything of God according to the Bible. That’s where I’m coming from. But you provoke me to jealousy in another area. You had godly parents. Your mother was known for praying for the sick. When you were like eight years of age, a young kid, a doctor’s child, had cancer. How bad was it?

JUDITH: Well it was very serious cancer. It was a tumor on the bone. And they were going to amputate his leg. And they were taking him to the Mayo Clinic for the amputation. Before he went, my mother prayed. And by the time he got to Mayo Clinic the tumor was gone. And so he never had to have the surgery.

SID: Now this being a doctor’s child, I imagine a lot of people knew about it.

JUDITH: Oh the whole town. It was a small town that I grew up in.

SID: Oh then I’m sure.

JUDITH: They all knew about it, everybody.

SID: But to have that type of heritage, I mean, that is so wonderful. I mean, my heritage is I wasn’t even sure there was a God.

JUDITH: I know.

SID: I didn’t know my left hand from my right hand, as it says in the Bible, when it came to spiritual things. But then when you were eight, I think the devil tried to snuff your life out because he knew what was going to happen in your future. There was a drunk driver. What happened?

JUDITH: Well I was a little girl and I begged my mother to go and see the girls at the prom. So she let me ride my bicycle out to the high school. And I was on my bicycle on the sidewalk and a young man who had been drinking came to the prom. And he first hit me and knocked me off the bicycle and then he ran over me.

SID: He did this because he was just panicking?

JUDITH: Well he was so drunk. He didn’t even realize he hit me. And so they carried me back to my home. And this same doctor came over and said, “Don’t drive her the hundred miles to the hospital. She won’t make it.” And my mother sat beside my bed three days and prayed for me. And on the third day I opened my eyes, and I never had any affects of the accident after that.

SID: Now I hate to say this, but Judith keeps provoking me to jealousy. She’s in one of my favorite places in Israel, the Garden Tomb. And she had an encounter with God again. But you do know that gentile believers provoke the Jew to jealousy.

JUDITH: I do know that.

SID: That’s your DNA. You’re doing a good job.

JUDITH: I’m doing a good job.

SID: Tell me what happened.

JUDITH: Well I was in the Garden Tomb and a group, I won’t go into the whole story, but I was young woman seeking God. I was in my late 20s. And this woman asked me if she could pray for me. And it’s the first time I really saw the light of God so powerfully on a person. And I thought it was just this one woman that wanted to pray for me, but she was part of a tour group and they were all spirit filled.

SID: Wait a second, when you say the light of God, explain to me exactly what you saw.

JUDITH: It was a light coming out of her and in her eyes.

SID: Is was sort of like those ancient pictures of Jesus and the apostles, and they have like a light over them, a halo or something?

JUDITH: Yes. It’s like glory. I don’t know what to call it.

SID: And you could actually see that.

JUDITH: I could see it that day. And when I said yes to the prayer, even though I had grown up in a Christian home, I needed more. I said yes to the prayer, and she called 40 people over that were on a tour group. And they were all spirit filled, and they were just reaching for me because they couldn’t wait to pray for me.

SID: Now sometimes that’s not a good spirit. But it was good for you.

JUDITH: It scared me though. And they started praying for me to have a deeper experience with God. And within a matter, I don’t know, of a few minutes I was lifted out of my body. And the next thing I knew I was in, I don’t know what to call it, it was another realm. And I heard God’s voice, and He called my name. He said, “Judith.” And none of these people knew my name, so I knew it wasn’t a person calling my name. And I said, “Yes Lord.” And He said, “I love you.” He said, “I have always loved you.” He said, “You are mine.” And I heard these wonderful angelic songs and I saw this brilliant light. It was just an incredible experience. And when I opened my eyes, I don’t know how long I was that way, but they were all gone. I don’t know. I must have been there for a long time standing or wherever I was. And they were gone. And from that time on—

SID: You had an experience with the love of God. That’s what that tells me.

JUDITH: Well I read something in one of your books. You said something about liquid love. It’s like I felt something poured out on my head and it came down over my body, and I’ve never felt God’s absence since then. It’s like something came, His presence came to me in such a supernatural way. It wasn’t just an experience that was wonderful. It’s like since that time on He’s been just right with me, and I know He’s there.

SID: And then she went back to Jerusalem and actually worked at the Garden Tomb. But when it closed she would go into the tomb and she would pray. But then she started having experiences with angels and angelic music. Tell me about it.

JUDITH: I would be drawn into the tomb and I would sit in the outer chamber. You know, there’s two rooms at the Garden Tomb, one where the body of Jesus was, and then a little outer chamber, and wealthy people tended to have those tombs. When I would go to sit in the outer chamber and pray angels would be there. They keep their presence there to make it sacred. I would hear the heavenly voices of angels and the instruments that they use, and they’re not of this world. They’re very different.

SID: I assume you’re not a musician.

JUDITH: I am a musician, actually.

SID: You are. So when you say they’re not of this world, you know what you’re talking about.

JUDITH: I yes. I play several instruments and my son is a musician, my mother was a musician. It’s not of this world. And the harmonies of the angels singing when they worship God is not of this world.

SID: When we come back I want you to talk about angels that accompany us to protect us. I can tell you as a fact two things. I can tell you, number one, I wouldn’t be here right now if I didn’t have angelic protection, and number two, someone’s back and neck has just been healed. Take it. It’s yours. Don’t go away.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah, he’s a prophet his name is Rob DeLuca from New Zealand, where he’s also a pastor.  And I asked Rob before we went on the air give me an example of some of your prophetic words that have come to pass. The first thing that popped into his head was Leo, tell me about Leo Rob.

Rob:  Well, about a month and a half ago on television I had a vision of a named Leo.  His friends called him Leroy and I saw this man in prison.  And I saw that he was watching the revival from his cell; and the Holy Spirit spoke to me and told me to tell Leo that, “God was going to use him and that he was going to receive and impartation of fire from watching the revival meetings.”  As that took place God said that, “He would use Leo to bring a great revival to the prison that he was in.”  Three days later we received a phone call from a man named Leo in prison, he said “I was watching on God TV and God touched me in my prison cell.”  He had been in prison for eighteen and a half years falsely accused.  That week he received a DNA test and they found out that the Leo was not guilty.  He told the prisoners in the prison all about what took place, and revival has broken out in that prison.  Leo has been preaching the gospel, prisoners are getting saved, the other Christian prisoners are set on fire, they have been praying for sick prisoners needing miracles, and healing and healing and miracles are breaking out throughout the whole prison.

Sid:  I would like to loose you with your prophetic gift to minister to the people right now.

Rob:  I’m already seeing visions, there’s a person that driving in their car right now, you have a tumor on the left side your neck.  Right now if you will reach up touch your neck as you’re driving you will notice that God just healed you of that tumor.  There’s also another person, you have a pinched nerve in your lower back, it’s on the right side you are listening at your house, God is healing your back.  There is also another person that has paralyzed right arm, it is in your elbow, it is in your wrist and it is in your hand.  You are paralyzed from an accident, God right now is bringing life into your arm, loosen your elbow and begin to stretch forth your hand, God is healing that.  There is another person, you are a man, you are listening to this you had heart surgery before, and you’ve gone to the doctors and the doctor is saying that you have to go in for another surgery, but the Lord is saying to you today sir, you will be healed right now as you hear, and your heart will be made well and you will be diagnosed a clean bill of health as you go back to your doctors.  There’s also someone else that is believing for a person that is in a coma, there in your house, there in a coma.  I see it’s a man and he’s been a coma for years, as you are listening to this I want you to go lay your hands on that man that’s in the bedroom and speak life in Jesus name, and you will watch this man come out of a coma right now.  There’s also another person you are named Peter, “Peter, you are called of God and you are listening to this and you’ve been backslidden and lukewarm because you were hurt in a church and you left the church, but God has a great call on your life; you are listening to us right now via radio; God has called you Peter and God has called you to be a preacher and a revivalist and you know it.”  If you will forgive those that hurt you and you will release them and repent of being in your backslidden state God will set you free and you will have a fresh hunger and a new zeal for Him and the call of God upon your life.

Sid:  There is such a presence of God I believe that people are saying “Oh, I wish he would have a word of knowledge for me.”  I believe that you could pray for people in general and anyone.

Rob:  Yeah, but here God just spoke to me.  I will pray for everyone right now, and we’ll pray for healing to go through the airways and touch everyone. There’s also somebody being healed of a deaf ear, you have a deaf ear and you’re listening with your left ear but your right ear is deaf.  Right now I command that ear to pop open in Jesus name.  And Sid I’m just going to pray and overall prayer for miracles and healings to touch all the listeners right now just like you said.  “Father I ask for the power of Your presence, the power that brings forth healing to come through the name of Your Son Jesus. If you are believing for a miracle, if you are believing for healing in your body or if it’s emotional healing I want you to lay your hand on the radio or in the car even if you’re in the car right now lay it on the radio right in front of you and begin to receive.  Right now I command every spirit of infirmity, every sickness and disease to leave God’s people in the name of Jesus!  Right now receive your healing, right now begin to do something you couldn’t not before, right now check your body.  There’s also someone else that’s being healed, you have a problem with your vein in your right leg and God is healing that, they are saying that have to do major surgery on the inside of your thigh, God is healing that right now you are receiving new veins in your leg.  I thank you Father for healing your people, I thank you Holy Spirit for invading the homes, invading the workplaces and invading the cars of those that are listening.  I thank you for healing your people, there is healing anointing flowing through the airwaves right now, receive your healing in Jesus name.”

Sid:  But Rob I also believe that it’s a two way anointing it’s not just a healing anointing, but I believe people could receive the revival anointing that you’re walking under right now if you would pray for impartation.

Rob:  I’m going to pray right now for fire to go through the airwaves. If you will receive by faith that you can get an impartation right where you are at there is no distance in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit can move anywhere any place in the earth.  I’m going to pray right now for fire to go through the airwaves and if you will receive and believe by faith that you can get an impartation right now where you are at there is no distance in the Spirit the Holy Spirit can move anywhere in any place in the earth.  If you are listening to my voice right now get ready because I’m going to pray for an impartation of the fire of the Holy Ghost, just lift up your hands, if you are driving, you might want to pull over.  “Father right now I ask for Your Fire to fill the atmosphere of those that are listening, I ask for the fire of Your presence Holy Spirit to fill the atmosphere where these are listening, these people that are listening right now that are hungry for Your presence and on the count of three I’m going to pray for that fire to fall into you and to go into your spirit and burn in your mortal body.  “One, two, three fire in them, fire, fire, fire in everyone in Jesus name.”  Now take that revival fire get souls saved, pray for the sick, cast out demons, raise the dead, and believe for the greatest outpouring that you have ever witnessed in your life right now in Jesus name!

Sid:  Now what is going to happen in the near future as a result of this outpouring of God’s Spirit worldwide right now; paint me a picture of what you see of ultimately occurring.

Rob:  I really believe that what took place in the last hundred years concerning the great outpourings, the revivals that we read about in Azusa Street with William Seymour and with Evan Roberts and the Welch revival, and the voice of healing with hundreds of healing evangelist being released all over the America. I really believe that God is about to bring forth hungry on fire Christians, ordinary Christians that go to school and their high schools that go to universities that are mothers that take care of their kids daily, and you know just people in the work place, I really believe that there is a healing outpouring that’s going to take place where everyone that is hungry for this that will believe God will begin to operate in the supernatural, operate in signs and wonders, operate in the gifts of the Spirit as never before.  And I really believe that God is bringing forth healing to the nations of the world through this.

Sid:  My guest is a living miracle, his name is Bruce Van Natta. I’m speaking to him at his home in Rudolph, Wisconsin. I’m interviewing him on his book that is literally just off the press called “Saved by Angels.”  And there is, I’m going to say this, there is a special anointing on this book that you will begin to hear God, maybe not audible voice, it could be, but in various ways, that perhaps you never even considered before.  This is for average people to do extraordinary events because they serve here and obey an extraordinary God.  The thing that’s so amazing to me Bruce is as I read your book, and I understand your life is the mercy and love of God.  I mean here you had an encounter with God that few people have just as a five year old and you proceeded to live a fairly disobedient life, you would drink, you’d be in to drugs, I mean it was just almost a chronic problem. Yet God still kept reaching down and loving you.  Knowing God the way you did why did you indulge in drugs and alcohol?

Bruce:  Well, you know it’s listening to the wrong voice, it’s listening to that little red guy on your shoulder and believing the lies that he tells you in saying that you’re not worthy of that kind of love.  If you believe that lie that you’re not worthy of that kind of love you would also maybe even believe the lie that there isn’t that kind of love, that God doesn’t love you.  And so a person makes bad choices and pretty soon you get caught up in addictions, and things spin out of control in a person’s life pretty quick.

Sid:  You were actually supernaturally set free of this addiction, tell me briefly about that.

Bruce:  Well, it’s kind of a long story, but the long and short of it I guess, these people were going to go on a mission trip.  They needed money they came to our church looking for sponsorship, I was on a committee, we listen to them speak. I’m driving home and I drive by a van that my wife and I had for sale, I felt like the Holy Spirit said, give them the van for money for this trip. I ignored it because I didn’t want to, I came home and I’m telling my wife about the meeting we had and the first thing my wife said was “You know what we should give them that van.  So I realized the Lord was speaking, so we called them and said you know what we got a gift for you, were going to give you this van, you can sell it you can do with whatever.  Come to find out that same day they had just sold one of their two personal vehicles that they owned, they had sold his vehicle for tickets to go to Africa.  So they sold their own vehicle for tickets, we turned around and gave them that vehicle that day obviously all by the Lord.  So they come over, we give them, we sign the title over we’re giving it to them and as they are getting ready to walk out the door this husband and wife said, “You know is there anything that we can pray for you?”  Never met these people before in my life other than that meeting “Is there anything that we can pray for you?”  Jokingly I said, “Well, you know what I’ve struggled with drug and alcohol addiction for over twenty years and pray for that.”  And so they started asking me a few questions and they said, it sounds like demon of addiction has got his hands on you.  My eyebrows kind of went up and I kind of thought “who are these people and what kind of religion do they practice, because in the mainline denomination church that I attended that was not the kind of stuff that got talked about.  And so they ended up praying over me and when they prayed, the husband and the wife and my wife prayed in a circle, held hands.  And when they prayed over me I was seeing things through my closed eyes this battle above my head and they cast the demon of addiction off of me and a way out of my life and away out of my life and that’s how the Lord set me free.

Sid:  That is so wonderful, there so many areas I want to talk to you about, but why did you write this book “Saved by Angels?”

Bruce:  Well, I have to be honest and say that it wasn’t something that I wanted to do, it was something that I did out of obedience; the Lord kept leading me and guiding me to do it and…

Sid:  Why didn’t you want to do it?

Bruce:  Well, you know what I didn’t feel, and I still sometimes still think about this, it’s hard to tell people about God, it’s hard to tell people about his mercy and His grace and His love and stuff when you look back at your own life and look at all the mistakes that you’ve made. Like you’ve said, and you alluded to, I have made a lot of mistakes and I did not live a Christian godly kind of life the majority of my life.  So people that know me, I was afraid to say oh you hypocrite and stuff like that you know.  I’m sober now and I’m not living the way I used to but because of all those past sins, because of that lifestyle it would be real easy for somebody to point the finger and say “You’ve got no room, you’ve got no place to talk about…”

Sid:  So how did you overcome that voice of the devil talking to you?

Bruce:  Well, you what God speaks to us one of the ways is through scripture and when we look in Corinthians, and you know 1 Corinthians 1:26 “Brothers think of what you were when you were called, not many of you are wise by human standards, not many were influential, not many were of noble birth, but God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise.  God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong; He chose the lowly things of the world and the despised things, the things that are not to defy things that are not.”  You know that’s what it comes down to, when Paul says he’s chief of sinners you know I’m right in that exact boat.  And so when I stand up in front of people and I talk, and that’s what I do now, I go from place to place and I talk in churches, schools you know jails whatever.  And I can tell them in all honesty that if God would send angels to save me God would send angels to save anybody; it’s the story of the prodigal son it’s back to that parable.  We got a loving Father in heaven who is waiting with outstretched arms waiting for us, yearning for us to turn to repent.  And repent means turn back, He’s just waiting for us to turn back to Him and receive the love and the mercy and the forgiveness that He has so readily available for all of us. No matter where we’re at, no matter what we’ve done, no matter what sins we’ve indulged in.  God is right there to shower us with His mercy and His grace and His love.

Sid:  Now, you had a series of dreams in reference to where we’re supposed to be with God.

Bruce:  Yes.

Sid:  That I believe will have such impact on our listeners right now, explain.

Bruce:  Yeah, about the first month that I got married, starting the first month that I got married I started to have nightmares I’ll call them about my wife cheating on me and it was always the same kind of scenario.  We would be somewhere or another some good looking attractive man would motion to her, she would go away from me and it would always end up I would be pleading with her, I would say “No, come back, please don’t leave me.”  And what would end up happening I would have to witness and watch her physically cheat on me while I was standing there.  And they were so real that when I would wake up in the morning I would be cold and offish to her even though it was a dream it would affect me that strongly.  And she would be able to tell the nights that I had these dreams and it happened roughly you know I would say over the period of ten years, I probably had three hundred of these dreams. Just putting the numbers together probably three hundred times this happened.  And my wife, I’ll speak for my wife, she never did one thing that would ever make me think that she was going to do something like that.  And so I struggled for this for all this time.  Well one night I’m having this same dream and in my dream this time there’s this guy knocking on our door here at our house holding a night bag in the dream and he’s wanting to be let into the house, and I looked outside and I recognize it as one of my wife’s boyfriends that she had had like in high school.  And I said, “What’s he doing here, she said well, he’s going to spend the night,” in my dream she’s talking to me here.  And she said, “He’s going to spend the night and I plead with her and I said, “Don’t you realize how much that’s going to hurt me, how bad that’s going to make me feel?”  And she just doesn’t understand, I can tell by look in her eyes she doesn’t get it.  And so dingdong the doorbells ringing and the man’s knocking at the door and wanting to be let in and I’m pleading with her.  And now typically what would happen in these dreams I would have to watch her, let the man in and then watch them cheat on me together in front of me.  Well, this time was different, I woke up and I’m lying in our dark bedroom tears are on my face for real, by wife is laying next to me sound asleep, snoring away, bless her soul, and I look over at her laying there sleeping next to me in bed and I repeat the last thing that I said to her in my dream.  And I said, “Why don’t you understand how much I love you and how much this hurts me?”  And at that point the Lord audibly spoke to me and He said, “Bruce, why don’t you understand how much I love you?”  And it was no question in my mind that it was the Lord speaking to me and I said, Well, what I’m in the middle of having this little pity party, and I didn’t see how it had anything with me and God and I said, “Lord I don’t understand” and He said His question again and I said, “Lord I don’t understand.”  And again He put the question back to me and I still didn’t understand and the Lord said, “Bruce every time that you do drugs, every time that you drink, every time that you do anything to try and fulfill hole the hole that you have inside, that you try and replace Me with your cheating on Me. Not only are you cheating on me what you know full well that I can see you and you are doing it in front of Me and you know it.”  And so I realized that the Lord had given me these ten years worth of dreams to show me how He was feeling.  And you know it’s interesting when we look in the Old Testament often times when the Lord was dealing with prophets He would put something in their life that would affect them so that they would understand how He felt about a situation.  And that’s what the Lord was doing to me so I got down on the floor just sobbing, I felt just sick to my stomach and I was crying realizing that all these dreams were how the Lord was trying to show me that I was cheating on Him.  And I got up and I just wanted some comfort so I just opened the Bible, often times I’ll open the Bible up to where ever it opens up to and start reading the place where I opened to and I started reading and it was talking about Jesus being the groom and the church being the bride.  And then the Lord was just bringing it home one more time so that there was no question to what He was saying to me.

Sid:  And I imagine when you’re tempted to be involved in idolatry and that’s putting anything in place of the worthiness of God you think about that and you can’t touch it.

Bruce:  Yeah, and you know I have to be honest that I did do drugs a few more times after that as stupid as that sounds, it’s crazy and illogical as that is I did, but you’re right it’s easy to think about that in this point in my life and say “You know what I don’t want to bring pain to the Lord, I don’t want to make Him feel bad; and it’s interesting that we as people it’s so easy as you said it’s idolatry and it’s so easy for us to put something in place of a relationship with God.”

Sid:  My guest Bruce Van Natta, speaking to him at his home in Rudolph, Wisconsin. Just an everyday guy trying to make a living, trying to take care of his family is doing his job, he’s a heavy equipment mechanic, and did you have a premonition something like this horrible accident would happen to you that day Bruce?

Bruce:  That day, no, but the previous months going into this the Lord had spoken to me several times asking a question actually if I would die for the advancement of the kingdom.

Sid:  You must have thought that it was happening at that moment because this truck, well explain again what happened when the truck fell on you.

Bruce:  Well, the front axle of the truck is about two or three inches wide and you know four or five inches deep, and so it fell off of a jack and came down the only thing between it and the concrete was my body.  And so it came across me like a blunt guillotine across my midsection just below my ribs.  It just clipped a couple ribs on the left hand side and crushed me into the thickness of my spine because it went all the way through me, and even cracked two vertebrae in my spine.

Sid:  So you should have bleed to death internally.

Bruce:  Yeah.

Sid:  And the next thing you remember is you’re outside of your body looking at yourself, explain that.

Bruce:  Yeah, well I’m up in the ceiling and I’m just looking down and it was like I tell people that it was like watching a movie because that’s what it was like. It was just like a third party unassociated just watching a movie play out.  And I saw the man working with above me, I could hear him, he was running his fingers through my hair and crying and patting me on the head. He was talking to me and I could see clearly because I was right above and behind this just watching this.  But the you know the amazing thing this was the first image that’s burned in my mind, the amazing thing wasn’t that I’m having this out of body experience, but that on each side of myself is a large angel, and I mean these were big guys, they were also on their knees just like the man that I was working with, they were on their knees. I was looking from the back so they were facing my body.

Sid:  Now, why were they on their knees?

Bruce:  Well, they were on their knees and they had their arms… Now picture now my body still underneath this truck with just my heard sticking out from the front bumper.   They were on their knees on each side of my body with their arms angled in towards my body, and so the truck was already jacked up and so they weren’t holding the truck up, I’m still laying underneath the truck, they didn’t want to move me because of the injuries that I had and so I could see up to their elbows and I could tell that their arms were angled in towards my body.  And that’s was what I watching and seeing. So the angels were incredible, the man that I was working with a little over six feet tall, he was on his knees and on each side of him are these angels also on their knees and their heads stuck up at least a foot and a half taller than his head.  So now you factor in the longer femur because they’re on their knees. You know these angels had to be at least probably eight feet tall.

Sid:  And in your opinion what were they doing?

Bruce:  Well, I think what they were doing was keeping me alive because when the truck fell on me it severed my mesenteric artery along with a bunch of other veins. The doctors say that when you have an artery like that one of your main arteries severed along with these other veins I should have bleed to death in eight to ten minutes period.  Everybody else comes in dead on arrival in fact I was med flighted to the largest trauma center in our state, the state of Wisconsin. They told me there they had never had one other person ever live that has come in there with an injury like that because their always coming on dead on arrival because they bleed to death.  And so the angels had to be you know pinching those veins off, whatever they’re doing they were keeping me alive.

Sid:  So here you are, you’re flown to this trauma center; the doctors are amazed that you’re still alive.  What did they decide to do to you?

Bruce:  Well the first doctors, the guys in you know basically the night shift guys that were working when I came in there, they were taking CAT scans. Later on they told us that they were amazed because I ended up coming back, somebody called me back into my body. The Lord sent this EMT worker at the scene of the accident so I came back. My spirit went back into my body. She was referring and saying you’re going to half to fight, keep your eyes open and so I did.  I get to the trauma center, these guys are taking CAT scans and they can’t believe that my eyes are open and that I’m coherent because now almost two hours has passed, and this was something that the Lord did just to make a statement.  I should have bled to death in eight to ten minutes, and yet two hours passed from the point of the accident until they started operating.  These guys are checking me out and all of sudden everything started to get dim for me and they had been asking me two questions, what’s your name, what’s your birth date.  I was not able to respond, I couldn’t open my mouth and say anything, the Lord, everything started to get dim and all of sudden I blurted out, it just came out of me the Lord give me the strength to say it, if you don’t do something right now I’m going to die.  And they told me month later that when I said that, after I said that my blood pressure dropped to zero, and they were really low already and they’d been putting you know I don’t know how many, I can’t remember how many units of blood they put in me but it would just leak out internally into my stomach cavity.  After I said that, they pulled me out of the cat scan machine and ran me to the you know next store to the operating room, but it was just amazing to them that I blurted that out after not being able to say my name.

Sid:  And then immediately your blood pressure goes down.

Bruce:  Exactly.

Sid:  Okay, they rush you to the emergency surgery.

Bruce:  Yeah, they open me up and it was all so mangled, everything was so mangled that all they did was they hooked up the veins and the arteries and that’s it. They didn’t touch anything else and they came out and they told my mom and my wife and some of the other people that had gathered at the hospital that they didn’t expect me to live.  And because they didn’t expect me to live they weren’t going to do all these other operations, they just hooked up my veins, my arteries, the mesenteric artery they put back together and other vein that were severed.  They hooked up and said, you know what if he’s alive in six hours then we’ll go and do some more operation.  Well, I was alive in six hours, they still didn’t think I was going to live so they waited eight hours and then it stretched out.  And then it was ten hours and then after ten hours the doctor came and told my wife, “Well, his heart is beating like a twenty year old kid that’s running a marathon, and we’re going to in there and we’re going go in there and we’re going to do some work.”  So they over the next period of a week they did you know multiple operations. They put me in an induced coma and they did these operations just one at a time as my body was able to handle it I guess.

Sid:  Now they cut out of your body a portion of your small intestine, explain that.

Bruce:  They told me that an adult has eighteen to twenty feet of small intestine, and when they got done all that was left in me was roughly a hundred and six, they wrote down in the records.  A hundred and six centimeters of small intestines so roughly…

Sid:  Can someone live with that?

Bruce:  Well, at they see that a hundred centimeters is the breakpoint when you read the studies and you check into it a hundred centimeters if the breakpoint, below a hundred centimeters you starve to death slowly.

Sid:  So you should have starved to death slowly.

Bruce:  Well, I was at 106, so they were happy, they made sure to tell me look you got more than a 100 so they were happy about that, but after a few months a chunk died, they have to do another operation and they removed roughly a 25 centimeter portion of my small intestine. Now at that point I had 75 centimeters, 80 centimeters is what the range of what they said I had left.  Now at that point you’re going to starve to death eventually, you are going to die even with shots and what they call prental feeding through IV which I did have for like months.

Sid:  Now God spoke to a man in New York by the name of Bruce Carlson about you, did you know this man previously?

Bruce:  I had met him one time on vacation a year before this. He’s a friend of a friend is what he is.

Sid:  What did God tell him and what did he do?

Bruce:  Well, he woke up one morning, the Lord woke him up one morning and told him that he was to fly to Wisconsin and pray for me and so he did.  He bought a ticket and you know how short term quick tickets are, they’re expensive and so it was like $900 ticket. He paid for it, he flies out and came to the hospital after I just had another section of small intestine removed.  And he came into the room with another friend of mine from church and actually two friends of mine from church.  They drove him down there and this hospital is a ways from my house here you know our way or whatever.  And he sang some praise and worship songs after that, he just put his palm on my forehead and he started praying and he said, “Lord, I pray today that all of the prayers for all the people that have been praying for Bruce over the last you know months, period of time I pray answer all of those prayers today Lord God.”  And I was on prayer chains all over the country, I mean there were hundreds if not thousands of people for me to live and so he just prayed that the Lord would answer all those prayers.  And after he said that, then he spoke to the mountains you know per say and he said, “Small intestine I command you to grow supernaturally in the name of Jesus Christ.

Sid:  Because if your small intestine did not grow medically speaking you would have starved to death.

Bruce:  Correct, yes.

Sid:  Is it possible for in the natural for a small intestine to grow out again?

Bruce:  No.  I’ve been told there is no such thing, it does not happen, there’s no they can’t record any.

Sid:  So the million dollar question is how big is your small intestine now?

Bruce:  Well, it went from two and a half feet to over six feet. When he prayed over me as soon as he said, “That I command it in the name of Jesus Christ,” and he was praying about all those prayers being answered. I felt like what seemed like electrity is the only way I could describe it come out of his palm into my forehead into my body and I turned to Brian a guy from my church that was on the left side of my bed.  I turned to him and said, “Man it feels like a snake just came uncoiled inside of my stomach.”  But I just put it up on the shelf.

Sid:  So what did the doctor’s say about this thing that’s impossible.

Bruce:  Yeah, I put that up on the shelf and I didn’t think much of it accept a couple of months went by and I had to go in and have some pretests done for another operation. It was during those pretests at the radiologist that they did that they found that the intestine had grown from two and a half fee to over six feet.  And so keep in mind the doctor that performed my operations that the majority of my operations is the chief resident surgeon, he’s the head of the whole hospital, the head of the trauma center.  And so when the radiologist did the test and then he went and got his supervisor and he did a test. Then I realized that they did the test over and what they were doing was they were inspecting my small intestine.  Well I’m listening to them talk and their going and checking paper for records, they’re checking my records and paper. They’re going to computer and checking and they kept saying well, there must be a mistake.  And what they were having a hard time figuring out was why the chief, the head guy the top dog how he could make multiple mistakes because he’s not the kind of guy that makes mistakes at all.  And they couldn’t figure out why in one spot he wore 106 and then the next spot he puts 75 or 80.

Sid:  I’ll tell you what were out of time right now we can figure why.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah; his name is Pastor Mac Larson, Pastor of Northgate Church, in Woodstock, Georgia. He has reason to be red hot for the Messiah, he’s changed the paradyne of church as normal; it’s no longer looking at the back of someone’s head.  It is doing the same works that Jesus has done and even greater.  Marc you have a chapter in your book that we’re featuring this week, the title of the book is quite a title it’s called “It’s the End of the Church as We Know It.”  And may it rest in peace, that’s not in the title I just added that.  There’s a popular phrase, “What Would Jesus Do?”  Well, if Jesus came to the church today what would He be doing?  We want to do the same things.

Marc:  Well, the Bible’s real clear Sid that we’re called to live and walk as He walked as it says in 1^st John, that we are to walk.  If we say that we know Him and we’re to walk as He walked and what He would have a show like Extreme Makeover, and fix up somebody’s home, or pass out Turkey’s or hand out water or.  I think that if He’s on the streets right now, in the 21^st century suburban America, or urban America, I don’t think that he’d hand out wristbands, give out sandwiches; even though feeding the hungry is important.  Pass out cold water, I don’t think that He’d do that; I don’t think that He would necessarily demonstrate against having abortions; I don’t think that He would necessarily go on television; I don’t think that He would necessarily pass out tracks.  Because everything that He said that He would do He said, you see me doing, John 5:19 He said, “Truly I say to you the Son can do nothing of Himself unless it’s something He sees the Father doing.” And what He saw the Father doing is He healed the sick, He raised the dead, He cast out demons, He preached to the poor and those that needed life, He released life to them.  So His priorities were clear.  What would He do today?  It says in John 4:23 it says “My food is to do the will of Him who sent me and to accomplish His work.”  A lot of us when we think of good works we think well that means going downtown going to the shelter and helping people.  Now I think that’s noble, I think that’s wonderful, and I think it’s awesome and it has a place too.  I mean it’s common sense kindness to show kindness to people, but that’s not necessarily ministering, like Jesus said to do.  Jesus when he saw a demonized person he cast the demon out of him.  And He saw most of this happen in day to day life in the marketplace, He did see it in the synagogue a few times but most of His ministry happened on the way to other things.  You can even look and see most of Jesus’ miracles and ministries happen on the way to something else; on the way to other event a miracle came His way.  If you study in the scripture the time it says “And on the way,” you’ll see dozens of opportunities where Jesus healed the sick, raised the dead.  There wasn’t a funeral that Jesus went to that He didn’t mess up. He stopped it!

Sid:  You know in your book you say the church concentrates more on issues and diseases rather than sin and demons, comment.

Marc:  Well, I mean there are some churches; and that what I’m saying it’s the way we do church and I’m speaking as one who’s put on thirty years in full time ministry.  Twenty-eight full time, thirty years on the staff of a church, thirty-one years on the staff of a church and then pouring my life out in ministry.  I’ve seen the paradigms and the charismatic world, and I’ve met thousands of pastors in my entire life ministry meetings, church meetings.  I was invited to a meeting with a thousand pastors this morning on my email here in Atlanta.  But we’ve been doing things, we’re just doing things and a lot of them are well intentions, but they’re just not Biblical.  You know the Bible tells us to cast out diseases; to cast out demons, but we have support groups that prop up.  We have cancer support groups; instead of healing people of cancer we have cancer support groups.  I’m not saying it’s not good to get input from people that know things about that and are going then going through what you are going through, that’s what the purpose of that is.  But I think a better way is to heal the diseases.  All that energy and time to have that support group hey, why don’t we train people in healing the sick?  And of course you have denominations that don’t believe God heals today.  They believe He answers prayer, most of the denominations believe He answers prayer, but the Bible’s real clear, the body is to do this.  Ezekiel 37 talks about that, that great army that’s being; it says “Can these bones live?”  The Son of man talked to and you see this being taught to Ezekiel and says “You look at these bones and this valley and what do you see?”  He said, “I said, I see that they are very dry.”  And he said, “You prophesy to them that they will live; and he prophesied to them and they became exceedingly great army.”  That’s what I feel like, this book hopefully will do.  I feel like, one of the prophetic words I heard about this book was to wake up the church that we’re not dry bones and washed out dead religion.  We’re called to raise the dead heal the sick, we’re called to change our culture. The church is to be the light of the world, the hope of the world, because we have Christ in us, and we have to retrain ourselves. What is the church for?  We are to go and bring the Kingdom wherever we are.  Now I have testimonies here, just testimony after testimony.  Just the other night, here’s a good one, you’ll like to hear this a girl named Sarah, eighteen year old girl goes to a football game.  When football season begins here we start sending people so we send numbers of people into twos, out like Jesus sent them out in Luke 10 He sent them out in twos.  So we have this eighteen year old girl and another seventeen year old girl with her that they go to a football game.  They see a girl with a brace or a cast on her, one of those snap on casts, and she’s not able to walk well.  It was a gymnastics accident, she had entered gymnastics she’s about fourteen, she’s at the stands of the football game going on a bus.  So this girl Sarah says, “We’ve seen a lot of success with this, can we pray for God to heal your injury with your foot there?”  And she goes, “Yeah, you can pray for me.”  She goes, “Well, what kind of pain level are you at?”  She said, “In at a lot of pain, because I really hurt my leg here so I can’t do any gymnastics, I can’t do anything until it’s healed, they told me that it will be several weeks.”  And so she said, “What is the pain level?”  And the girl said, “Nine, nine of ten.”  And the girl said “Well, let’s pray for it.”  She said, “In Jesus name be healed, be command the pain to go.”  So once they prayed they said, “Okay how do you feel now?”  And she stands up and says, “I think I can move on it.”  “Well, what’s the pain level?”  “Well, it’s about a three.”  So the pain’s nearly gone Sid.  So she said, “Let us pray again.”  They prayed again and they said “In Jesus Name all pain go, be healed.”  She said, “See if you can walk on it now.”  She walked on it; she goes, “There’s no pain at all.”  She goes “Try taking off that cast.  So she unsnaps the cast; walks all over the place and she goes “Wow, this is amazing, I’m healed.”  She goes, “What happened, how did this happen?”  She goes, “It was Jesus that healed you.”  So she leaves them, the girl that just got healed, leaves and goes get’s her friends, she goes and leaves Sarah, and this other young lady from our church.  The girl comes back with a number of her friends a dozen, two dozen friends.  And they start praying for them and prophesying over them.  Before it’s over Sid that one healing of the girl’s leg, and getting it out of that cast, produced kids getting born again!  And when we get them born again at these things we tell them get on your knees, bow your knee and declare that Jesus is Lord and King of my life.  And they did that, twelve kids at a football game here in suburban Woodstock just five days ago.

Sid:  Do you find that the miracles are progressive?  What I mean by that is the more people are out there praying for the sick in Wal-Marts, and the football games, or wherever the greater results they see?

Marc:  Absolutely and the more we do it the more, the more skilled it is.  We do have to learn how to break out of our comfort zones into boldness.  But this girl Sarah has been doing this for four years, two to four times a week for four years.  Our young  people, this is what they do for fun; they do this because nothing is more exciting then to heal the sick, raise the dead, preach the gospel and get people saved; and changed and delivered. And so we love football season because we’re going to see…one year Sid a few years ago there was a football game, 600 people probably in the stands she and about twelve others in groups of two started preaching to people underneath the stands a few years ago; I think that it was about two or three years ago, and they literally emptied the stands of the kids there were so many kids down below getting prayed for by our team.  We had eight of our team there and each of them had a line between twenty and fifty kids.  And I’m not, I’m not exaggerating, this is evangelistically, and they had dozens and dozens of kids getting born again.  This little girl named Aaron had eight big old football players from other teams in that area they were coming to watch that game that night.  They got born again, I mean big old college boys submitting to a little girl whose probably 5’2” and she’s saying bow your knee and make Jesus King.  They say the signs, they saw the miracles and they saw and heard the prophetic word and it so moved them.  Listen everybody wants the power of God and I think if we can get God out of the church building proper only where He’s operating and get Him out in the streets in the highways.

Sid:  How would you like Pastor Marc to pray for you and pray for you to have a Spirit of boldness and tell you what to do when you go out so you’ll start seeing results.