It's Supernatural

Sid:  My guest Walid Shoebat is, I am overwhelmed of the revelation that he has yet it’s so simple that it all comes from the Bible, it will totally change your paradigm for end-times, you will not get a book in a Christian or secular book store that has this paradigm in it.  It took someone raised and born in the Middle East that understands things from an eastern mind set to understand the scriptures of the last days.  Now Walid on yesterday’s broadcast you talked about the group of Arab nations that the anti-Christ is going to rule from and you said, “The major nations of the world will come against them,”  who will be the major nations that will come against this collision?

Walid:  Well, just what the Bible says, in Micah 5 God says that He will raise seven shepherds, and eight principl men.

Sid:  You know I’ve always read that and I’ve always wondered “What does that mean?” Seven shepherds, what does it mean, eight principal men?

Walid:  Seven world leaders that will have good principals, just what it says.  And how often have you examined the interpretation of those seven shepherds.

Sid:  Well, the only one I see that are doing real good is the Prime Minister of Canada, but who are they.  Who are going to be these seven, not their names, but what countries are they going to represent?

Walid:  Well, what the Bible tells us.  In face most westerns never focus on how the anti-Christ is destroyed, the destruction of the anti-Christ is very clearly described in Ezekiel chapter 28 he is called the prince of Tyre.  And by the way, Tyre isn’t in Europe, it’s in Lebanon, he rules Lebanon, he’s called the fellow of Egypt.  He rules Egypt, he enters Egypt in Daniel chapter 11, and he’s destroyed in his Ezekiel 28 by these powerful nations, no one can escape verses 7 and 8 after reading them within context.  It says “Behold therefore I will bring strangers against you the most terrible, the mightiest of the nations, military powerful nations.”  Daniel 11 tells that the anti-Christ what?  Declares war on the most powerful nations, he declares war on the strongest military might.  So it tells us the basically the conclusion, in Ezekiel 28 He raises this nation, God does and in verse 8 “They shall throw you down into the pit.”  If we examine after the anti-Christ is thrown into the pit it tells us what other nations goes with him, in the pit and every one of them is Islamic.

Sid:    But, who are the ones that are going to come against the Islamic nations?

Walid:  Well, the most powerful nations, today they are the United States of America, Europe, ships of Chittim, ships of Chittim are the western coast of the Mediterranean; Italy, Spain, the United States, they’re very powerful countries and they come against him.  We can’t identify them each by name, but we can take a look at the most powerful country in the world.

Sid:  But then, so we know the seven shepherds are, who are the eight principal men?

Walid:  Well, we don’t know the names, you don’t know who they are; they could be the eight principal men, seven of them are also shepherds, but there is an eighth one that remains mysterious.  We do not know everything in the Bible, but what we do know is that they will destroy the Assyrian in Micah 5.  Micah 5 is not just about the birth of the Messiah in Bethlehem, but it’s the conquest of the Messiah leading these seven shepherds and these nations into battle against the anti-Christ.  And Ezekiel 30 that’s the day of the Lord, the day of the Lord is the day when the Messiah fights these nations.  Who does he fight?  In verse 5 of chapter 30 Sudan, Somalia, which is Cush, Libya hello, the Arab Spring Libya, Tunisia, all those regions.  Lydia is Turkey; in fact the Messiah in Zechariah 9 He comes from Jerusalem going north, He doesn’t west to Europe, He goes north to who?  To Greece, that is Ayonia we have to look at the Greek, Ayonia is Turkey.  That is it, it’s the battle between the Turk’s and the Israeli’s in which the Messiah in the end will be triumphant and we all will be with Him fighting the battle over Jerusalem.

Sid:  What about Gog and Magog and where does Russia come in and the Armageddon, explain a little of that.

Walid:  Well, Russia is nowhere in the Bible; Gog is the…

Sid:  What I’ve always heard Gog and Magog were Russia!

Walid:  Well, Gog is the chief prince of, Meshech and Tubal.  Meshech and Tubal, is not Moscow and Tubal.  Meshed and Tubal is Mushki and Tubalani which are in Turkey so if you look at every Bible…

Sid:  Everything is pointing to Turkey!  It’s amazing and we don’t even hear that much about Turkey, it’s always Russia.

Walid:  Absolutely.

Sid:  And Iran, but Turkey is really going to be a major end-time player.

Walid:  Look at the Arab’s Spring, what is Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, what are they saying?  They’re saying “We want the Turkish model of Islam.”  Turkey will bring peace to the world, Turkey is being ushered now a days even by the United States of America as the peace maker in the world, the Anti-Christ brings peace supposedly and he makes a peace covenant.  Those that want to make Covenant with Israel. The Bible maps don’t lie; the Bible maps are correct, every single Bible map whether McKinnon Bible atlas, the Moody Bible atlas, the Encyclopedia of Bible Lands the location of Meshech and Tubal, Magog are all in Asia Minor and Southern Russia, not Russia proper. What split from Russia?  The Islamic nations, the CIS nations, the Commonwealth of Independant States of what Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and also Turkey will unite with them with the Middle East with Persia as well in a war effort against Israel.

Sid:  Well, why is the battle of Gog and Magog also called Armageddon?

Walid:  Well, look at the text in Ezekiel 38, the first mistake westerners do is the attribute Ezekiel 38 as a battle before the battle of Armageddon.  However, people cannot escape verse 18 “My fury will show in my face?”  Who is speaking hear?  God, God whose God’s face?  If His feet stands in the Mount of Olives, that’s the Messiah, His face is the Messiah there too, Ezekiel 38 happens when the Messiah comes to fight the anti-Christ.  Gog is the anti-Christ.  In fact in Revelation after the thousand years are over, what happens?  Satan is released God and Magog; so Gog is Lucifer in the book of Revelation; if he is Lucifer in the book of Revelation he must be Lucifer everywhere else in the Bible including Isaiah 19 and 14 and including Ezekiel 28.

Sid:  In the next two minutes give me a quick scenario of what’s going to happen between today and the return of the Messiah in the order you see it in the Bible.

Walid:  Awe, that’s a very good question; the first thing that’s going to happen is the false peace, that Islam is a peaceful religion; that the Turkish model of Islam the peaceful version of Islam is what’s going to basically take over the Middle East so this basically will make the west not worry about Islam.  This will usher in the anti-Christ, the Mufti of Islam who will make a Covenant with Israel for seven years.  When Christians see this begin to count, so we’re going to see the Arab Spring turn into the Turkish model of Islam in which will pull the roost over the eyes of the west until the west wakes up in the end.  So in the meanwhile we will see this false peace in the Muslim world; then they will be a war in Israel in which the nations of Ezekiel 30, 31, 32; read them on how they basically have a war with Israel and how they will all fall into the pit with the Anti-Christ.  For anyone who doubts just look up the term, the pit in the Bible; do a search on the pit and you will see that every single nation that goes into the pit are all Islamic, every single one of them.

Sid:  And just out of curiosity, how quickly could this scenario take place in your opinion?

Walid:  Look how quickly the scenario has taken place already.

Sid:  Look how quickly the whole world has changed before our very eyes you can see the world changing, it’s amazing.

Walid:  Correct, the idea of Islam is what?  Is the destruction of nationalism; why?  Because Babel wanted what?  One world government, one world order.  We will never have a world government, it’s impossible, why?  Because just as the rainbow was the promise that God will never flood the earth, God promised that the world will never be ruled by Lucifer.  This is why in Babel, “Let Us go down and confused their tongue.”  The Muslim world wants one language, Arabic, one religion, Islam, one law, Sharia and they want to destroy Israel.  This Babylonian effort will fail in the end when the Messiah comes, God will come down; this is why we see the Messiah all over in Ezekiel 38, in Ezekiel 28, all over the Bible fighting who?  Muslim nation.

Sid:    Just out of curiosity, you were born in Bethlehem of Judea an Arab, why don’t you call yourself a Palestinian?

Walid:  Well, you see the judgment of the nations which is Islamic nations that want to divide the land of Israel and create a Palestinian State.  When I read the Bible I saw how the Messiah Himself judges the nations.  Why?  It’s in Joel Chapter 3; “For they have scattered my people, they have also divided up my land.”  In Daniel Chapter 11; “Who divides the land for gain?”  It is the anti-Christ.  So if the anti-Christ wants to divide the land he wants a Palestinian state.  If I wanted a Palestinian state which side am I on?  The Messiah or the anti-Christ.

Sid:  So you’re saying that anyone on the side of a Palestinian state is on the anti-Christ side.

Walid:  Absolutely.

Sid:  Is America in bible prophesy?

Walid:  Well, when we look at the destruction of the anti-Christ, the anti-Christ is destroyed by what?  By the mightiest of the nation, the most powerful; what the Bible says the most terrible of the nations; terrible in what?  Terrible in battle, America has been the most strongest fortress, in fact the anti-Christ declares war on the strongest fortresses.

Sid:  Now wait a second now, we’re destroying our atomic bombs, we’re cutting down our military, I think that America is going in the opposite direction.

Walid:  But remember Brother Sid, God is in control, He’s in control in the destiny of Israel and the destiny of the United States of America, not President Obama.  God has intervened when America wanted to say “Well, no for Israel.”  And if you remember you know George Marshall, the state representative of the United States they didn’t want Israel, yet the President said, “He had a dream,” where did that dream come from?  God is in control.

Sid:  I’ll tell you what, “Were out of time, but you will have your entire paradigm in understanding illuminated like you’re never had it before…”

Sid:  Red hot is kind of an understatement; it might be white hot for my guest Pastor Benny Perez.  He’s Senior Pastor of the church in South Las Vegas.  In the past four years has gone from 100 people to 2,500 people and the thing that’s so exciting is may the superstar system rest in peace because what Pastor Benny is doing is transferring to his people the same fire and passion that he has.  And you know in your book “Upside Down.”  By the way where did you get the title for your book pastor Benny Perez “Upside Down”?

Benny:  I actually got it right out of the scriptures where it says the men that have turned the world upside down have come here too in Acts chapter 17.

Sid:  And so of all the places in the world God put you in Las Vegas, Nevada to turn that area upside down.  On yesterday’s broadcast you were talking about you could have in your church a mega-millionaire businessman, and a prostitute, and a pimp.  And you were telling me about a woman in your church that is literally her name is it “Annie Lobert?”

Benny:  Yes sir.

Sid:   Tell me a little bit more about Annie, she excites me.

Benny:  Well, Annie was one of the top call girls again in Las Vegas here and she would basically was a high end prostitute to many famous people and some people we know unfortunately, but she had an encounter with Jesus Christ radically changed her life, and she is not red hot she is white hot for God Sid.

Sid:  She’s really on fire?

Benny:  Oh, she’s probably the most on fire woman that I have known in a long time.  White hot for souls, white hot to see people get saved and her relationship with Christ.  And she’s out on the streets, and ministering, and has a great internet ministry.  She’s ministering literally to hundreds and hundreds of people.  She had the number one blog on MySpace out of all the hundreds and thousands of blogs she had the number one blog.

Sid:  Now does she move in the same type of fire, you said greater, but does she pray for the sick?  Does she have people slain in the spirit when she prays for them?

Benny:  She has people, she has manifestations of power, she prays for people on the strip, on the street, she prays for people wherever, she has great influence.

Sid:  Well, I was talking about doing, this is my hearts desire to do one of my television shows “It’s supernatural right in Las Vegas” in the casino letting people watch.  Wouldn’t it be neat to have a tandem of her and you and do a television show?

Benny:  Well, I tell you what it would be incredible especially for most having people hear the testimonies and then letting the power of God begin to flow; who knows what God will do you know if He’s given that opportunity.

Sid:  I mean you were talking on yesterday’s show about just walking through the street and witnessing to people and demons start manifesting and reacting and casting them out.  I mean where are the cameras when we need them?  [Laughing]

Benny:  [Laughing], well you know it’s so funny because after I think about that you know the testimonies spread that God is moving. The great thing is Sid, you said in the beginning of the show is that the superstar days of Christianity; I don’t want to be a superstar, I want to be a servant.

Sid:  You want to be a carrier of the Superstar.

Benny:  Exactly He is the superstar and we are just carriers of the anointing to wherever we go whether it’s the golf course, the restaurant…

Sid:  You realize you’re going to drive the devil nuts if it’s not just superstars and it’s “Thee Superstar” in every believer the Hope of Glory?

Benny:  Well, then he can’t stop it.

Sid:  No!  [Laughing] you’re going to drive him…we have a Hebrew word, we say mischugah, you’re going to drive the devil mischugah; mischugah means crazy.  You’re going to drive the devil mischugah.

Benny:  Well, we should be doing that let’s drive him mischugah come on Sid let’s every person drive him mischugah by just allowing the Superstar to flow though all of us. And I tell you that’s my passion, that’s my heart, that’s what the book communicates.

Sid:  Okay, your book is “Upside Down” and so we were going to go to the back of the book first and you talk about a young man less than ninety years about a man by the name of Evan Roberts he was just twenty-six years of age of Wales.  Tell me about him.

Benny:  Well, Evans Robert was a young man who God really impacted.  He had a profound experience with God and with the permission of his college principal; Roberts left his studies and went home to the village of Lamford and began to preach his first sermon.  Now understand he didn’t really have any formal training and when he preached his first sermon Sid only seventeen people showed up to hear his first message.  And his first message, his first sermon was so simple it had four basic points.  The first point was confess any known sin to God and make right any wrong done to man.  The second thing he said was put away any doubtful habit, the third thing is obey the Holy Spirit promptly.  And lastly confess faith in Christ openly.  Now I don’t think that anybody could have imaged the response; in fact Dr. Jay Edwin Or said, “That within three months a 100,000 converts had been added to the churches of Wales.”  Five years later a book came out debunking the revival that was published and the main point by the scholarly author was that that of the 100,000 people added to the church only 80,000 remained.  If that’s the worse that they could say about Evan Roberts I don’t think 80,000 converts remained…

Sid:  Well you know the story of Billy Graham he was asked the question “What is your greatest regret?”  And he said, “That I made converts rather than disciples, those figures were reversed almost, it was more than 95% weren’t even in a church a year after they made a decision for Jesus.

Benny:  Exactly and Evans Roberts was exactly the opposite and then this was a man 90 to 100 years ago with a great Welsh revival, and it began with just a simple man who had an incredible experience.

Sid:   Alright you’re a simple man that had an incredible experience with God.  God has placed you in sin city Las Vegas; paint me a picture of what God is going to do through the on fire flame of fire people in your congregation.

Benny:  Well, I tell you what is happening and what’s going to continue to happen is that we believe that sin city is vital to what God wants to do in the world today.  In other words, we believe where sin abounds grace much more does abound. It is our desire, and we’re on a mission one person at a time to turn the city cup side down which would really make it right side up.  And I believe this that if God continues to pour out His Spirit and revival continues to flow, not just in my church but in many churches in this valley of the Las Vegas Valley. That if that happens that could be a great catalyst for people around the world to say “If God could do that in Las Vegas then certainly He can do it in my city.”  So our passion is for our valley to see it flooded with the power of God and that now would be a catalyst to excite everybody else around the world to believe God for their city, their region and their area that God could do the same thing.

Sid:  Let me ask you a question.  When you see words of knowledge and deliverance the most is it in your church or is it out in the streets?

Benny:  Well, I would actually say that it’s probably a variety of both Sid.  I would see every church service I mean we’re open to it and there’s a definite atmosphere of the words of knowledge.  And the way the word of knowledge works with me is I will get something once, I’ll get it twice and when I get it the third time then I’ll speak that out.

Sid:  Oh, I’m far more impulsive, the second I hear it I blurt it out.  [Laughing]

Benny:  [Laughing] and you probably step out in faith more than me; I still need a little bit more assurance, okay God, okay and it comes to me literally in milliseconds, boom, boom, boom.  So I’ll be able to say something, somebody will come and wait at a table at me and I’ll just look at him or her and the Holy Spirit will say “Hey ask them this?”  And I hear it so quick then I ask them, they say “Why are you asking?  And I’ll say “I know that this may sound strange to you but I just felt like God just spoke to me to give you this word.”  And sometimes it’s not a deep word, it’s just a little word for instance I looked at somebody and said, “You know I know you feel lonely, I know that you’re here in the city all by yourself, but God wants you to know something that He’s got His eyes on you.”  She begins to break and cry because she had just recently moved here, she’s all be herself, I didn’t know that and she was feeling like she wanted to go home and that little word in that restaurant as she was waiting on our table.

Sid:  Do you remember when it first started with you?

Benny:  It first started right after I had my encounter in 1986 Sid, the supernatural, the first person I prayed for fell to the ground in 1986.

Sid:  Now just out of curiosity did someone with a great anointing lay hands on you?

Benny:  Well, you know what I’m glad you brought that up because there was a man named Tim Story.  Tim Story was a man that I saw great power flowing through he’d wave his hands Sid and fifty people in a church would fallout under the power.  He’d call people out, give them words of knowledge, pray for them, signs and wonders would begin to happen.  And I just got so intrigued by that I began to hang around him because I believe Sid the anointing can’t be really taught as much as caught.

Sid:  I believe that also.

Benny:  And so the anointing got caught and he laid his hands on me and just prayed a double mantle on me and just you know start stepping out.  I just saw an increase of supernatural phenomena in my ministry throughout the years.  If you ask people about Benny Perez they will say “Yeah, he’s the supernatural guy we bring him into youth conferences and conferences and he stirs things up.”  At Christ for the nations they bring me in to stir things up, I was preaching there this past summer, power of God came and in fact Gordon Lindsay’s wife is still alive.

Sid:  Frieda and her daughter Shira I ministered at their congregation in Tel Aviv, Israel and through a word of knowledge she got a healing in her shoulder, this was just recently.

Benny:  Right, you know that great heritage of that family. Well I was ministering and Frieda Lindsay was on the platform and she said, “I haven’t seen power like this since the days of Branham.”

Sid:  Listen, I believe that the anointing which is caught is in your book, it’s just like you sitting down and mentoring someone. Is that really truly what you had in your heart of hearts when you wrote the book “Upside Down”?

Benny:  Absolutely Sid, our role is to equip the saints to do the work of the ministry, and if the anointing can be transferred by a cloth, certainly the anointing can be transferred by a book.

Sid:  You know something?  It just dawned on me I’m interviewing Pastor Benny Perez who is in Las Vegas and what he’s describing to me is literally; you know it talks about being baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire.  Pastor Benny!  That’s what’s going on with you the fire of the Holy Spirit has hit you; hit your congregation. Why?  Because you’re in sin city and that’s I mean where else would God want His fire to be?

Benny:  Absolutely, Las Vegas and it’s interesting that you would say fire Sid because in my book I actually talk about one of the chapters if “Getting lit up.”  And I talk about the fire of God.  We know that actually in the scriptures God says that He’s a consuming fire, when you see God show up many times in the Bible He shows up in fire.  Exodus chapter 3 with Moses, the God that answers by fire on Mt. Carmel with Elijah He is God, and then even in the New Testament you see that in Acts chapter 2 He appeared as flames of burning fire of tongues on people.  And the fire of God Sid it calls you; it will clean you up; and it consumes you and the fire of God is literally the presence of God manifested in your life.

Sid:  And for someone to lay down their self life for the life of God you can’t do it without the fire of God.

Benny:  No you can’t I mean I’m the first one to say I need the fire of God Sid every day of my life.  And I don’t know about anyone else not just because I’m a minister, not because I’m just a pastor of a church, but because I’m a believer in Jesus Christ and my relationship with Him is so important I pray Holy Spirit do a work in me a fresh and a new today.  Because I need to be delivered not just from my sins, I say this to my church you know what here’s what Jesus loves to deliver us from; form ourselves.

Sid:  You know we’re making available your new book it’s title is “Upside Down” and it’s a guide book for people that hunger and thirst for more of God.  But and we were talking about older business people getting principals to live their life by that are just revolutionizing their life from your handbook.  But tell me about some young people in particular you were talking about a young man in your church and school by the name of Eric.

Benny:  Yeah, Eric Hadenna is actually a student a student; he’s a young man he’s twenty years old and he’s in our Bible College here.  We have a Las Vegas Leadership Institute that people could come and be enrolled full time in a Bible College and be involved in ministry.  Well one of the text books they read is my book. He read this book and he got so on fire for God because the principals are nothing more than just from the Bible that he decided “I’m going to start to do something unusual.”  And what he did he started actually a church on a high School campus so were not just having youth group on Wednesday nights; we’re having youth group church on campuses here in the Las Vegas Valley where he goes and he helps students organize it where they have church right after school and invite all their friends and preach.

Sid:  I thought church had to be with a building with a steeple.

Benny:  Well, I mean religious mindsets you know think that, but the Bible’s clear and we know this that we are the church that wherever we go we are the temple of God.  The temple, the Holy Spirit dwells within us; I tell people at times especially young people hey, if they said “No more prayer in school and no more God in school; God is still going to show up if there’s one Christian young person on that campus; guess what, God is all over that campus.  They can’t hold the church back because we’re not a building we are a movement of people filled with the power of God. That God is sending out into the world; not just Las Vegas, but everywhere around this world to shine His light wherever we go.

Sid:  And you know a lot of people are upset because we can’t list the Ten Commandments in government buildings and in schools anymore, but I’ve always thought putting the commandments on a piece of paper means nothing.  Living the commandments means everything.

Benny:  Well, absolutely Sid and I’m with you 100%. You know what I wish they wouldn’t do what they’re doing, but man last time I read God said that He would write the commandments on our hearts.  And if we’d live the life as Jesus said, He said, “Hey your light, your salt and light and salt makes a difference.” When we begin to live like Jesus wants us to live it doesn’t matter what’s written anywhere they see a changed life.

Sid:  So this guy Eric is not saying “Come to my church for a Wednesday night Bible study,” he saying, “Let’s meet right here at school!”

Benny:   And you know he’s gone and he’s approached the principals and he’s done, and you know we have to obey the laws of the land and the rules, but he’s done that and we are excited about the possibility that God has for us as we come into the new year.  And I just think that it’s getting ready to explode in another dimension.

Sid:  Oh, tell me one of the things that I excites me about you and me, and actually I do the same thing, and I like to see have other believers with me so that they can then do what I do, but the experiences that you have in restaurants they’re almost unbelievable.

Benny:  Well, and I was saying before that, my wife never believed by stories until she married me, and then she was caught up in the moment.  I could tell you one story; I walked into a restaurant and it was rather late and I just finished preaching it was about midnight and I walked into this restaurant that’s open 24 hours a day and I’m at the wait to be seated section and the waitress comes up and she looks at me and the first thing she asked me Sid is “How many in your group, smoking or nonsmoking?”  She said, “Will you pray for me?”  I don’t have a clergy collar on, I’m wearing jeans and just a nice shirt and I said, “What?”  She goes, “Will you pray for me?”

Sid:  Well, how did she know that you even knew Jesus?

Benny:  Well, she didn’t, I didn’t say anything I just walked in; apparently she saw something or the Holy Spirit nudged her so I’m just thinking Sid I’m just going to lay my hand on her and pray a little prayer that learned in Bible College “Lord bless her, keep her and let face shine upon her and I’d just pray a little prayer.  She grabs my hand Sid and she says “No, I want you to pray for me.”  I said, “Lady you don’t really want me to pray for you.”  We’re in the middle of Denny’s in between smoking and nonsmoking section; well she’s so provoked me I said, “Okay, I laid my hands on her, I began to pray the unction of God came, the power of God came she screams like she’s being touched with fire and she falls to the ground in the restaurant.  The smoking section erupts as they’re so scared they keep on puffing on those cigarettes, people are looking, I said, “It’s okay, it’s okay she’s fine, she’s fine, I tell my wife get down there and begin to pray for her.  People start walking in, true story, I start giving menus, “How many to be seated?”  I start seating people, I said, “Don’t worry she’s fine,” you know and literally I’m seating people while the lady after about five minutes she starts coming out of the power of God that hit her, we sit her down and she’s “Woo, woo,” I mean she’s just gone Sid and I said, “Mam are you okay mam,” she starts crying Sid as she tells me “You don’t understand do you?”  I said, “What you don’t understand is right now I have two bottles of prescription pills in my car and tonight after my shift I was going to overdose and kill myself; but when you walked in a voice spoke to me and said, “Ask that man to pray for you and it took all my courage she told me to ask you to pray for me.”  And I stood there Sid and “I’m saying dear God we just saved a life from suicide because somebody was bold enough to ask; somebody was bold enough to pray and we didn’t care that we were in a restaurant and God saved a life that night.”

Sid:  And do you know what I’m thinking about Benny, I’m thinking about that young man that was backslidden, was walking on a beach to do a beach ministry just to see the girls in bikinis and the fire of God came on you, but I would imagine that there were many times you could have let that fire go out and you would have missed what you just described.

Benny:  Absolutely Sid and you know what I want to tell everybody that Benny Perez is a normal man that needs to stay in touch with the supernatural God.  And I know that it sounds trite, but prayer, daily prayer, daily devotions, daily sensitivity to the Spirit.  See there’s sometimes I just leave my office and I go into my sanctuary and I just worship, and I just worship Him.  I don’t ask Him for anything, I just worship because I need Him more today than I did twenty-one years ago.

Sid:  Benny, in your heart of hearts, why did you write the book “Upside Down”?

Benny:  Because I wanted to equip believers to do the things that God has done through me; that is the bottom line.  I was commissioned by the publisher to write a book that could literally be a handbook, a manual that people could read, grasp, and then allow God to use them in a supernatural way.

Sid:    I believe someone could take this book themselves and be used in a supernatural way, but I believe it would be a tremendous Bible study, has anyone used it as a Bible study?

Benny:  Absolutely youth groups have done it, small groups have done it, it’s broken in such a way that you could actually do each chapter as a Bible study.  At the end of each chapter Sid it actually has a Turning Upside Down questions.  There’s usually four to five questions that you can use in a small group setting that really cement the principals in people’s lives.

Sid:  You must have quite a phenomenal church; you have young people, you have older people but according to my notes you have some former hookers.

Benny:  Yes we do Sid in fact we have a former hooker was one of the top call girls, prostitutes in our city and she had a radical encounter with Jesus Christ. She is leading now outreaches, praying for prostitutes, strippers right on the street. Her name is Annie Lobert and she has a website, HookersforJesus.net. People go “Wait a second you should say ex-hookers”; HookersforJesus.net when you go there you will read incredible testimonies of the power of God and now she’s being asked by Rolling Stone magazine, MTV to share her testimony.  When she gets on Sid she says “Jesus Christ and His power has transformed my life and He can do it for somebody else.”  And I’m telling you we’re seeing incredible things through her ministry and we’re partnering with her as we’re literally seeing pimps, prostitutes get radically saved, and touched by the power of God.

Sid:  What is the feedback you get from people that are going through your book.  Take that that businessman you were telling me about earlier; did you tell me that he’s reading the manual for the second time with 40,000 business people under him?

Benny:  He actually has read it a second time and he’s bought 50 some books to distribute to his higher management team because they say “Where are you learning this?”  Because he said, “Why, this book,” and “Where can we get this book?”  And he said “You know what I’m going to do, I’m going to buy them and give them to you.”

Sid:  My guest James Goll is a seer, now I know about people that hear things, what is a seer?

James:  You know a seer is a prophet, but not all prophets are necessarily seers. So a seer is actually a word from the Old Testament a couple of different Hebrew words are translated into the English word seer.  And it simple means a revelatory gifted person in God who moves in the visionary and dream capacity.  In other words, it’s the way God speaks to them is through the seer dimension.

Sid:  And I found it interesting on a previous show that you said that you didn’t start out this way, you prayed it in.

James:  Yeah, that’s absolutely true and I also was around people who moved in this way because you know what atmosphere or association makes a big difference on what you catch.

Sid:  You know I also believe that same things is true for the church that you go to; you go to a church that doesn’t believe in healing and guess what slowly, slowly you’ll become like them; they’re not going to become like you.

James:  That’s right you see you need to be in the atmosphere of the supernatural and if your around healing you are going to catch healing; if you’re around the evangelism you’re going to catch evangelism; if you’re around signs and wonders, you’ll move in signs and wonders.  If your around the prophetic seer, dreams and visions it’s going to get on you.

Sid:    Well, speaking about the prophetic seer dreams and visions I believe you were talking about yesterday’s broadcast that we didn’t have enough time to finish; is for right now for God’s people and it’s extremely important.  Would you recap it and then share the rest?

James:   That would be great. I had this wonderful experience just recently that was a dream about open heaven’s and I had been writing about this, praying into it and speaking about it and God had his heavenly Devine commentary and He gave me more understanding.  And in this dream and in this dream the feeling arena was very alive, and in it I’m in a room where there’s a low ceiling. I’m trying to stand up all the way, stand upright, but I couldn’t stand up all the way because the ceiling was too low.  And in the dream I could feel my head budding up against the ceiling of this room.  Now this was a religious room, it was filled with stale old smells and an atmosphere that was just stale.  Sorry but a lot like some church cultures are who don’t believe that God is same yesterday, today and forever, and they believe in sensationism.  But in the dream it was a stale atmosphere and the room was too small the ceiling was too low, and I’m trying to push up, push up the ceiling so that it would be higher.  Now in the dream the Holy Spirit let me know that he appreciated all my efforts of trying to raise the roof and make the ceiling higher.  Then God responded to like my desire and He came from heaven’s initiative and he bore a big hole open like He sawed a big hole open in the middle of the room.  I moved over in the dream, out of where it was too small and too low over into the center and I had to centered on God’s word; centered on God’s presence; centered in God’s will and centered on the person of Jesus. When I moved over and was properly positioned I looked up and I could stand upright and the room was filled with just wonder and atmosphere of faith, and revelation, and the supernatural.  The sky was blue, that’s revelation and that’s a prophetic promise and then a breath of fresh air, the wind, the Holy Spirit blew down through the open heaven opening came down into the room; swept the stale atmosphere out. Then I’m looking up and then there’s a word after I woke up with the dream and it said, “Get position for an open heaven.”  I woke up from that and I just had these divine knowings that you know what you can carry an open heaven with you wherever you go.

Sid:  For those that aren’t familiar with that terminology what does an open heaven mean to you?

James:  Wow that’s really good it’s used several times in the scriptures, it’s used in the book of Genesis; Jacob took a nap and he had a dream that the neighbor Jacobs ladder that came down and the heaven’s opened.  God was standing at the top of the ladder, angels ascending and descending.  The Book of Ezekiel, Ezekiel has an open heaven experience; in the book of Mathew Jesus it says “The skies were opened the Holy Spirit in bodily form as a dove descended, fell and remained.  Descended and remained upon Jesus and the voice of the Father spoke in an open heaven and said “This is My Son in whom I’m well pleased.””  In the book of revelation and in the fourth chapter the first through the fourth verses it says, and I saw a door standing open in the heaven and I heard a voice out of a trumpet speaking to me saying, “Come up here, come up higher and I will show you things that are…

Sid:  Alright, what does it mean to be positioned for an open heaven?  What do we have to do to be positioned?

James:  We got to move from the side issues over to the center, the center of God’s Word, the center of God’s will, centering in upon in upon the person of Jesus Himself.  Don’t get stuck over here in the side thing’s, don’t get stuck over here where it’s a low ceiling, move out of that place; move over into the center or God’s Word, the center of His will; the center of His presence; the centering in upon the person of God Himself.

Sid:  You know I see so many Christians that are divided over minors rather than the majors.

James:  That’s right.

Sid:  And these minors I don’t think we’re going to know the answer to until we get on the other side.

James:  You know you stick with the main and the plain, major on the major things, don’t major on the minor.  And I tell you when you keep centered in the Word, centered in the will of God; centered in the person of God, God will put an open heaven over your life.  And the Spirit of revelation will be upon you.

Sid:  Now you talk about in your book that there different categories of dreams.  Some dreams are from the natural man; some dreams are from the demonic, some dreams are from the Holy Spirit.  Talk a little bit about how we should figure out which it’s from, and what we should be paying attention to.

James:  You know you can always; sometimes tell by a period of time because it’s by their fruit you will know them.  And this is true in dreams as well, there are some things that are just natural dreams. There because of what you’re worrying about and your soul is rehearsing those things.  But you can tell when it’s a dream from heaven, it’s clear, there is a recall, it doesn’t haunt you in a fear manner, but it will produce edification, and faith.  And of course the whole demonic arena of dreams it still tries to steal your faith, it tries to shut you down, it tries to speak unbelief, and fear, and things of this nature to you.

Sid:  Now, I’ve got a copy of your book, “Dream Language;” you’ve written many books, but I happen to believe that this is probably one of the key books for the time and season that we’re living in.  You’ve been teaching about dreams and visions and words of knowledge for a long time.  What are you so attracted to this?

James:  You know again it was because the Lord spoke it to me and He commissioned me to release training materials to help people, help mentor them.  You see books were some of my mentors, these books of mine and Sid’s and other’s.  Dream Language could be a mentor in your life, it can help equip you; give you practical tools.

Sid:  Alright you talk about there is a supernatural impartation on this book, what do you mean?

James:  You know if you just partake of this I tell you it’s so full of the word of God the Holy Spirit is going to activate the Spirit of Revelation into your life.

Sid:  James, tell me one person in the affect your teaching on dreams had on them.

James:  You know I have a friend who’s actually an architect, and he you know does a blueprint of things. He’s a brilliant man but he sat in this class and he read the book and there has been an impartation or change that’s happened in his life.  He now get’s dreams and revelations where he’s like hovering over geographic areas and he sees what’s called spiritual mapping and he sees the dark areas and the light areas and he’s being given keys to spiritual warfare through dreams, and this can happen for you too.

Sid:  You know I find that when I interview people that have strong anointing for say miracles or healing I say “Who laid hands on you for that impartation, or who were you hanging around.”  And the same thing is true for dreams and visions and words of knowledge and wisdom and that’s what James is talking about.

Sid:  My guest another Jewish man that is red hot for the Messiah, Barry Feinman, Executive Director of Jezreel International. He’s been explaining all this week of the supernatural call of God for him to put together a humanitarian organization that emphasizes getting goods to Israel. But getting humanitarian efforts to people worldwide that are needy, Barry I bet you had no idea that people worldwide are in such need?

Barry:  Oh Sid, it’s overwhelming, totally overwhelming that even more so is God obviously knew it and there is such a mandate on us as the body to be there for the poor and the needy.

Sid:  Give me some Biblical reference as to the mandate to be there for the needy. Sid Roth supernatural

Barry:  Well, let me just give you – in Roman’s 15:27 for Israel, it’s actually before that, it says “For it please those from Macedonia and Achia to make a certain contribution for the poor among the saints who are in Jerusalem.  It please them indeed and they are their debtors for if the gentiles have been partakers of their (Israel’s) spiritual things then their duty is also to minister to them (Israel) in material things.”  That is such an eye opening scripture.  Because here’s Paul, Rav Shaul the Apostle Paul, writing to the Gentiles who were in Rome. Telling them that if you have partaken, and basically in the good news of Messiah and the Word of God, then it is your duty to begin blessing them materially. Most churches unfortunately don’t know how to that or go about that, and we have made a way for the church to be able to, the Gentiles to be able to bless Israel materially.

Sid:  Tell me a few more scriptures like in Acts 10 about Cornelius.

Barry:  Oh, I love that, you know Cornelius, this is a real eye opener. You know because it’s beautiful it’s going again talking about giving alms giving to a charity.  In Acts 10:1 it says, “There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a Centurion, of what was called the Italian regiment.  A devout man and one who feared God with all of his household who gave alms, charitable, generously to the people Israel, and prayed to God always. In about the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God coming and saying to him, “Cornelius.” When he observed him he was afraid and said, “What is it Lord?” so he said to him, “Your prayers and your charitable giving, your alms, have come up for a memorial before God.””  It doesn’t say your praise came up, or your Bible studies came up, or you preaching came up, it doesn’t say any of that. It says clearly, “That you prayers and your charitable giving to the poor have come up as a memorial before God.”

Sid: Why don’t we conclude on the scriptures on giving Matthew 25. I mean this phenomenal once you understand it. Sid Roth tv programs

Barry: Yeah, this one hit me so hard several years ago.  That Matthew 25, and everyone knows the scripture because Yeshua is speaking and He makes it very clear about the sheep and the goats.  In verse 31 in Matthew 25 it says, “When the Son of man comes in His glory and all the holy angels are with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory and all the nations will be gathered before Him.  He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.  He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, “Come you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world, for I was hungry you gave me food, I was thirsty you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you took me in. I was naked, you clothed me, I was sick, you visited me.  I was in prison, and you came to me. Then the righteous will answer Him and say, “Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, and thirsty and give you a drink, when did you see you a stranger and take you in, or naked and clothe you, or when did we see you sick, or in prison and come to you?” The King will answer and say to them, “As surely I say to you, as much as you did it to one of the least of them, my brethren.””  He is speaking in context now because he is in Israel.  Then He will also say to those on the left hand, “Depart from Me you cursed into the everlasting fire for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty you gave me no drink, I was a stranger you didn’t take me in, I was naked you didn’t clothe me, when I was in prison you didn’t visit me, and I was sick, and in prison” it says, “you didn’t visit me. And they will also Him saying, “Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and we didn’t minister to you?”  Then He will answer them saying, “Assuredly I will say to you, and as much as you did not do it to one of these, the least of these, you did not do it unto Me.”

Sid: You know Barry, I looked up the word brethren, which he uses in Matthew 25, I believe it is 40. He says, “You have done unto the least of these my brethren,” and it means physically from the womb. There is no way that you can spiritualize it, it means the physical Jewish people.

Barry:  Yes.  It ends on verse 46, and most people stop down there and it says, “And these,” the ones on His left side, the ones that didn’t do this, “And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” It’s all over for the separation has to do with taking care of the least, the lost, the last, the poor, the needy, and this the mandate that we all have.

Sid:  Alright, what is going on today in Israel that you have witnessed with your own eyes as far as the needs?

Barry: Sid, the needs as you know when the Lebanon war broke out two summers ago.  We talked about it on this show.  We pretty much stopped everything we were doing anywhere else and we focused directly and straight into helping them up there.  The needs were absolutely overwhelming to see the devastation up in the north part of Israel.  We ended up shipping seven tractor-trailer loads of supplies up there.  A lot of your listeners from that one show we did really responded, and it really blessed us, and it just helped us so much.  Now recently, of course, we know recently that Hezbollah is all re-equipped with even further missiles now. But what is taking place out of the Gaza hitting the little city of Siderot, and all the other surrounding towns and cities over there.  These people, in fact our next newsletter coming out is going to be all about that. I just got an email if there is any way we can increase our shipments to Israel.  The needs are increasing, can you send more, they are asking us. Of course it takes to send more, it takes finances, it takes more supplies, it takes everything.  So we want to do everything we can at this point to help, and to rally the church to help us do that. I got a chance to speak in an Assembly of God Church in Long Island recently. He wanted me to come down and share about Jezreel, and share about taking care of the poor and the needy. I am up and there and I am sharing all scriptures Isaiah 58, Matthew 25, and the different scriptures. I am sharing God’s heart for the poor and the needy, and of course about Israel, and going through all of this.  So I said I shared this story; I said a missionary came to me who he and his wife and family are moving to the Philippines and he said to me, “Barry can Jezreel help me get a container because the Philippino people are so poor?”  And I said, “Of course we can, tell me more about yourself and the church.”  He says, “Well,” and he tells me about himself and he says, “I belong to a large church of about 7,000 people.”  And I said, “Wow, wait a minute,” and the Lord just kind of down loaded this to me.  I said, “Robert if your pastor brought you to the pulpit and said, “Church, this is Robert he and his wife and family are laying down their lives to go to the Philippines and bring the gospel there; we need to help these people; so beginning next Sunday I want every man, woman and child to bring one tube of toothpaste, how many of you think you could do that, you can bring more if you want but I’m only asking you to bring one.”  The following week I’d like you to bring a bottle of shampoo, the following week a roll of toilet paper, and in other words I gave them six items to for the people to bring and in the seventh week, every man, woman, and child bring $1 to the altar, you can bring more if you want just asking for $1.”  And so at the end of seven weeks what took place one church and I said in between, “You can bring clothing in good condition, and we’ll put up a Philippino flag in the warehouse for you and let the people come and look and become a part of it.”  I said, “But just think of this in one week and just in one, and I mean in seven weeks you got 7,000 bottles of shampoo, 7000 tubes of toothpaste, I mean just think of that in quantity and so I’m telling this story from the pulpit on Long Island in this Assembly of God.   And at the end the pastor asked me if I would leave some time to pray for people before the service began and I said, “Of course.” At the end of the service she said “Listen folks we are not praying today, we’re going to do something, we just heard a word today; I’m going to ask everybody right now before the service starts, the Dollar store down here, there’s a Wal-Mart over there; there’s a store over there and he’s giving people directions where to go.  He goes, “Everybody don’t you do anything, you need to go right now and you need to go get some stuff for this, we are going to bless Israel today.”  And so the second service comes and the same thing happens in the second service and this guy disappears on me, the pastor and I said, “Where are you going,” He said, “I can’t preach this and not do this myself, I’m going to go buy some stuff.”  I’m telling you at the end of the second service people started coming in from the first service and then about a half hour later people started coming from the second service.  Do you know that we had to rent a U-haul from one church; it was about a 800 member church; one church people were coming with bags and bags of stuff. While I was preaching I said, “Listen, let me tell you something else, someday this church is going to sponsor a container to Israel.”  It’s a $3500 from Albany, New York to Israel and pastor stood up and said, “That’s done today,” just like that he points to me, “That’s done, just like that.”  So when I left there he gave me a check to pay for the container to Israel, and by the way that container just arrived in Israel, we just got a wonderful letter from Israel for him.  The church, the Assembly of God sponsored the container and gave us a U-Haul full of brand new supplies, and I was just thinking this is just one church and it didn’t fall on one person, everybody got a chance to partake, everybody…

Sid:  Barry, I want because we get letters all the time, who do you support Sid as far as doing humanitarian efforts in Israel, and I can tell you that we support Jezreel International.  So what I want is don’t send us any money, don’t send us any toothpaste, I want you to call our 800 number and we’ll give you the Jezreel brochure. Just call that number and you’ll find all the information you need to be part of this great humanitarian effort to Israel.