It's Supernatural

Sid:  Hello Sid Roth here with Katie and we are talking about what Katie calls the most absolutely the most offensive message yet.  Now Katie you’re supposed to be a nice believer now you’re no longer Bonnie & Clyde. Why would you talk about an offensive message?  I’m just teasing because I know what you’re talking about.  But it is to me the most amazing, amazing sin of offense that wounds our soul and it’s so simple that it happens multiple times during the day, and if there was a way we could stop it it would transform our lives.

Katie:  Yeah.

Sid:  Tell me about that main sin.

Katie:  It’s offense honestly and there is opportunity every single day to be offended. I mean, you get in your car and somebody beeps the horn and waves at you with a middle finger instead of the whole hand.  And somebody cuts off…

Sid:  Yeah, I’m driving along and all of a sudden someone just pulls right in front of me as if I’m not there and if I wasn’t you know totally alert I would have crashed into him; I’m offended.

Katie:  Exactly, you know we get offended when people make our coffee wrong at the coffee shop, or you know when we go to the grocery store…

Sid:  Or things don’t happen quickly enough that’s my big offense.

Katie:  Hah, exactly I mean we got to fight I mean I don’t know about you my husband and I have a great marriage but you’ve got to protect yourself everyday from getting offended at each other.

Sid:  It’s and you know that’s why God put in the institution of marriage; no wonder the devil wants to destroy marriage people won’t realize how bad off they really are unless they’re married.  (Laughing)

Katie:  I’m telling you but it will make you grow up super fast because you’ll be like wow this is a great venue opportunity not to get offended and so we have a choice everyday whether or not were going to get offended and I think what…

Sid:  How about sitting in church and hearing a message of something that goes against your belief?

Katie:  Yeah.

Sid:  That takes no talent to be offended over.

Katie:  It’s true and then what happens is afterwards you go up and ask the Pastor to pray for your healing, but you’re offended at him.

Sid:  (Laughing) Well would you believe something as you just said that God gave me a word of knowledge and someone is being healed right now.  You have a pain in your neck and if you’ll move your head you’ll see that the pain is gone from your neck and there’s others that may be the same one or it could be someone with a back problem.  Please, pull over on the side of the road if you’re listening on the radio or but do something and as you do this you’re demonstrating your faith.  That’s why Paul said, “Faith without a corresponding action its plain dead,” you don’t want your faith to be dead.  If you will do that you will see that all pain is gone from back, all pain is gone from your neck and I’ll give you a little trade secret.  Katie it’s something that you probably noticed, but I’ve noticed that once God releases a word of knowledge it’s almost like the healing angel is there and if someone would only believe at that moment they could be healed of anything is what I believe.

Katie:  Yeah, and I believe that it might be attached to somebody that was offended at their pastor because you just got a word when we were talking about that.  So whoever that is right now repent for being offended at your pastor right now in Jesus name, and I command that your soul would be healed of that wound that that sin of offense made so that you could be prospered and be in health even as your soul prospers.  Be filled with dunamis right now so that you can receive your miracle in the name of Jesus.

Sid:  It’s amazing how many people when they can get rid of the scars of offense it’s easy for them to get their physical healing, it’s easy for them to get out of financial turmoil, it’s easy for them to solve the various things they’ve been praying for years.

Katie:  Oh yeah, offense is not only creating sickness but it is blocking our miracle from happening.  I mean remember when Jesus went back to His own home town and he began to preach in the synagogue and so the people were like. “Where did this guy come from, where did he get all these miraculous powers.”  And it says that “Because of their unbelief He could do, the lack of faith he could do no miracles there.”    Well, that’s not all that scripture says it says that because they look at him and said, “Where did this guy come from don’t we know his mother and his father, his sisters and his brothers, where die He get all this miraculous powers?”  And it says this, “They were offended at Him and He could do no miracles there.”  So the offense literally shuts down the miraculous so people are sick and they’re praying for the breakthrough and they’re fasting for their breakthrough and they are decreeing their breakthrough and all of this other stuff and it’s not happening because simultaneously Sid while they’re praying and believing for their miracle, they are also at the same time being chronically offended at their husbands or their wives or their pastors or their boss.  An offense it shut down even Jesus from being able to do miracles so we got to stop being offended.  And we stop being offended and we get healed of the wounds of the sins of offense made we’re going to start to see the miracles come.

Sid:  But you know what’s coming to me as you’re sharing, someone says “Okay I made up my mind, I’m not going to be offended, I’m going to follow the program that simplistic program that Katie Souza is teaching,” but they because of the previous offenses they have they can’t get control over the new offenses.

Katie:  Okay, so and that is so important to understand; Paul said “I do a thing I don’t want to do because the sin nature is fixed and operating in my soul.”  Sin wounds the soul, we talked about that in our past shows so when you are offended, that’s a sin it will put a wound in your soul, and then that wound does what Paul said, and it made him do the things he didn’t want to do.  So it makes us do these things and we can’t stop being offended, we try so hard, we fight it, but those thoughts keep on circulating around in our mind and it’s because that wound is still there.

Sid:  Could soul wounds be why people no matter how hard they try can’t lose weight?

Katie:  Oh, oh oh yeah that is definitely a big part of it Sid it is.  I mean think about it, food is what we use to comfort our soul. So food is there for connected to comforting the woundedness inside of us and offense is directly connected to weight gain.  I have had many encounters where I have let myself get offended; just being transparent, over certain situations.  Like I’ll go out on a tour and stuff will happen, the communications will breakdown, nothing will be ready, something goes on with the venue or whatever and I just I break weak, and I let myself get totally bothered and offended and I noticed that during those times I’ll have this weight gain.  This unusual like five to six pounds of this kind of squishy water weight gain.

Sid:  How long does it take to have this weight gain?  Are you talking about instant?  Are you talking about over a week?

Katie:  Okay, so here’s…

Sid:  Alright, give me an exact story of this, tell me.

Katie:  Here’s where I knew that it was from my sins of offense because it would happen virtually overnight.  I would literally I would leave on tour on like a Thursday, I would get on the scale that morning, I would weigh like 133 pounds, I would get back from tour and during the tour let myself get offended and I would immediately, immediately feel this like bloating feeling in my waist of this having more pounds on me.  And by the time I get home and I had time to check I’d get on the scale and I’d be 140 pounds. Come on you can’t gain seven pounds within like three to four days; so it would happen literally overnight, it would happen during the tour and then I would come home and I would repent.  The Lord began to show me what it was, He said, “Every time you let yourself get offended it’s allowing that that that squishy weight to come upon you.  And so I began to repent for the sins of offense, I would begin to do the two steps we talked about in earlier shows.  The blood from the cross of Jesus, and the dunamis power which comes from the resurrection; that word dunamis mean to be excellent of soul.  So I put the blood on my sin, I would spend time repenting for feeling offended, for saying offended words, for thinking offended thoughts, for getting bothered at  certain people and for being offended at them.  And then I would spend time in putting the dunamis on my soul, commanding my soul to become a dunamis, means to become excellent.  And sure enough Sid I’ve had three separate occasions when I lost the weight immediately.

Sid:  That sounds so amazing but actually and I understand what you’re saying and that gave you insight into this.  But someone’s listening to us and their whole life they’ve had problems with food. Do you believe if they could get their soul wounds removed and start fresh in their soul just as they started fresh in their spirit that they could have control over these addictive areas?

Katie:  I think the soul is a majorally connected to weight and even to people that have thyroid issues or issues with a physical sickness that causing to make weight, to have weight gain.  Because the Bible does say that we will prosper and be in health even as our soul prospers.  And so as I’ve gotten healed in my soul I’ve had a variety of different things healed that were attached to food consumption because I had food disorders. Since I was a child would eat my food very fast.  I would eat…

Sid:  Oh, I do that so maybe I can get some insight, I eat so fast my wife is just goes so slow, have you ever heard of opposites attract?

Katie:  (laughing) Have her lay her hand on your head and…

Sid:  Oh, she’s like to do that but maybe not; on I won’t go there. (laughing)

Katie:  (laughing) But no it’s true I have seen, we have seen collectively in our meetings we have seen supernatural weight loss.  We have seen in our team we’ve seen supernatural weight loss in myself, and I’ve seen supernatural weight loss many many times and I teach on that.  And honestly it wasn’t like some you know hyped up miracle; it was a miracle that came because somebody had a wound in their soul that was controlling them, it was harming them, that was totally wrecking their lives healed, and part of that wound was attached to their food consumption or to food issues or weight gain itself.  So yeah I’ve seen it with my own eyes and I’ve seen it in scripture and I teach on it so I know that it’s true.

Sid:  You know it’s such a simple thing that and people make it so complex but it seems it’s so simple.  If you get a new spirit by being born again, a brand new spirit and you have this old soul it’s one fighting the other constantly.

Katie:  Yeah, I mean our spirit man has no problem seeing in the spirit, hearing the things of God, understanding revelation, beginning in communion with God.  Getting along with other believers, or getting along with anybody.  Our spirit has absolutely no problems it’s Christ living in us and so He’s perfect, His Spirit is perfect. So what does that mean?  That means behind our soul and so everyone of our issues are coming from our soul; I mean…

Sid:  I’m sorry we’re out of time right now.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah, now you would have to be really stupid to not realize that we are in the last of the last days and I don’t want to paint a picture for you I don’t want to be pessimistic because I’m an evangelist at heart and I want to see everyone everywhere hear the good news.  And I think that we’re coming into the greatest time in the history of planet earth for true believers in the Messiah and the worst time in the history of planet earth for those that don’t believe in the Messiah.  But with what’s going on as far as terrorism, we know the terrorists are already in the United States with what’s going on with the economy we know that it’s hanging in there by threads.  I might add that I know that as a fact that there will be a wealth transfer of the unrighteous money into the hands of the righteous.  With what’s going on with various diseases worldwide and wars that are going on and the flooding of the demonic through television and through books and books against God; you can see the hand writing on the wall.  But there is almost a forgotten understanding of the power of the blood of Jesus and that’s why I’m so excited to be making available to you this week a book titled, “The Power of the Blood.”  Without a doubt it’s written with Dr. T. L. Lowery and this scholar has traced from the Old Covenant the New Covenant understanding.  It’s one of the best Bible studies you’ll ever see on the blood of Jesus.  And I don’t know a more important subject even if you understand the blood of Jesus and then how to appropriate that blood to overcome the power of sin your life; to walk in Devine health; to live in peace no matter what’s going on in the world; to live in Devine protection no matter what kind of war situation is going on; no matter if a nuclear device goes off and you’re in the area where you should be destroyed.  I believe there’s such power that we’ve never tapped into with the blood of Jesus and this book was written with the assistance of Dr. T. L. Lowery but written by Mary Kathryn Baxter.  And I have her on the telephone right now, Mary Kathryn you told me about a vision you had in Israel, tell me about that.

Mary K:  Well, yes it was about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ before He went up to the cross. I was at a church, I had some very bad experiences there and I was very discouraged and I wanted to just quit Sid, I wanted to just leave, I dropped a box of box on my foot that day and several things happened.  Like for two days I hadn’t really ate normal and when I came to the church it was like 500 people was there and this was my fourth night and before I could even I’d get there around 8:00 I wouldn’t be able to get to the pulpit until 10:00 to preach and it was very wearing my flesh was acting up.  And I was sitting there one night I said to myself, “Now Jesus if I have to sit here like I do every night I’m going to walk out of here, I’m tired of this.”  And all at once I heard the voice of the Lord, “He said, “You haven’t even begin to suffer; He said behold upon the left wall,”  And I looked over there and there was a mural an open vision of a mural of the Via Dolorosa in Jerusalem; there was I saw this like a movie screen in action.  There was people on each side of the road there.  And there come at the very bottom was Christ.  He had this cross on His shoulders that was cut with an ax and the splinters was stabbing Him in His back; He had His robe on, His whole body was covered in blood and He tripped and His robe then fell down and a black nationality brother come out of the line of people and help Him lift up His cross.  And when He did the thorns in His head, the blood He had not one speck of skin showing and He looked at me one eye had fell out on His face and He looked at me and He said,  “Press on, press on, press on you haven’t even begin to suffer.”  And as He slipped in His own blood that man helped Him up; I begin to weep but I begin to cry and I thought “Who am I, who am I to even complain about something.”  And as He went on walking up the road the stones covered in His blood and they took Him up to nail Him to the cross and the vision went away.  And I thought to myself Sid, this blood needs to be preached about more and more what He did for humanity it needs to be talked about and told from one end of the earth to the other.  And this book, “The Power and the Blood,” and I really believe it and this book is one of the best books every written about the Blood of Jesus Christ.

Sid:  Tell me about the night when you awoke and everything seemed to be covered in red.

Mary K:  It was I was going through a trial in my life that I’d been studying about the Old Testament and the New about the fire that went before the children of Israel and a cloud by day and a fire by night.   And I turned to the scriptures where it said, “I’ll be with you I’ll be a wall of fire around about you.”  And I begin to quote that word of the Lord and we were going through a heavy trial at that time, and then all at once the walls were all lit up with this Brinson fire all around me and the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said, “Fear not this is the presence of the Lord, He is covering you with His fire.”  And Sid this is the truth I had phone calls from people told me that they saw my house on fire, it wasn’t consumed and I told them that it was the presence of the Lord.  And I would see that wall many times in prayer and it was a protection and the blood was in there, the blood was mingled in there, the blood of Jesus and it was real Sid.  And I see it a lot even when I travel all over the world.

Sid:    Now, are you just someone special or will God put this wall of fire and of blood around everyone?

Mary K:  Yes He will His children if they’ll believe it and they’ll speak it He truly will; I see it in churches Sid.  They don’t even recognize that it’s here but it’s His promise, it’s His covenant promise that He’ll be with us and protect us and go with us.

Sid:  Tell me an experience for instance well one time you were in a church and you saw angels come in to the church with a large cross.

Mary K:  Yes, I see that too a lot okay.  Many times okay when I go to churches to preach about the blood or I get studying ready to talk about Hell I will see visions in the church of angels coming in only when God allows it okay.  And I can be setting on the platform as the high praises of God go up it’s like the back of sanctuary or the top of where the pulpit is in the back area there will be bands of angels begin to descend and some of them are already there.  They’re already in the church and they come in and they begin to prepare the way, they bring this cross and this huge cross usually means deliverance or God’s approved of that church.  And I will see those anchor that cross, this big cross and they will put it before the pulpit and normally it’s during a process of the whole service, it takes like the whole service and I watch them every once in awhile and they are anchoring this cross and then the power comes through the cross and out the beams of the cross and deliverance comes.  If there’s people in there bound by habits and drugs I begin to, you know it’s the preaching of the cross is what set’s them free.  And I soon learn through the vision that this cross represented that God had approved of this church and they leave that cross there, the angels do when they leave it’s left there, but it’s invisible to the people but I see it and I tell the pastor that and he gets excited.  And it’s normally where God has approved of that pastor, the leadership and his preaching of His word.

Sid:  Now have you used the power of the blood when witchcraft is used against you and give me a specific example.

Mary K:  Okay, I’ll use another person there was a lady came up for prayer yes one day and she had been involved with the people in the occult and she was wanted, she had got saved but she had been tormented by evil powers.  And she wanted, I told her she needed the Holy Spirit and that we would pray over her, so we ministered and we got the anointing oil, we prayed over her in the Name of Jesus and we begin to cover her with the precious covenant of God and begin to break strong holds in the spirit realm off of her.  And I could actually see the blood of Jesus fallen and cleansing and breaking strongholds.  When I say, “I see breaking strongholds Sid” it’s like in the air, the atmosphere like high in the heavens or somewhere I see the angels of God drawing swords and fighting with the word of God, it’s always the word of God against these strongholds there is always like a red covering comes down which represents the blood of Jesus Christ.”

Sid:  And what about someone that’s say struggling with sin; how should they pray?

Mary K:  They first should confess their sin and their faults to the Lord and say “God I need help I really need your help, I can’t overcome this by myself.”  And as they begin to pray they need to call upon the Name of Jesus and call upon the power in the Name of Jesus and the blood, the blood of Jesus to set them free because that’s in the covenant.  That through the blood of Jesus we can be delivered from these sins in our flesh.

Sid:   Let me ask you something, if on tomorrow broadcast I ask you to pray over the airwaves, what do you believe would happen as you speak about the blood of Jesus?

Mary K:  I believe that there will be a breakthrough, I believe it because Jesus said, “We sit in Heavenly places with Him and we fight against prince and powers of the air and we put them under His feet.”

Sid:  People that are reading your new book “The Power of the Blood,” you’re getting so much positive feedback.  Pick one person and tell me what they said after they read the book.

Mary K:  Oh, wonderful, they love it it’s helping them, it’s encouraging them, it’s making them have more knowledge of the Old Covenant and the New, they just love it; a lot of good feedback.

Sid:  You know Mishpochah there is so much power in the blood of Jesus that that really we’re not taking advantage of and if we ever needed to take advantage of the power and the blood of Jesus it’s now.  And that’s why this bible study and the experiences worked in on this book by Mary Kathryn Baxter  I mean this is one of the best I’ve ever seen of explaining exactly throughout all of the scriptures the power and the blood of Jesus.  I mean you’re going to understand how you can appropriate that blood to live in peace no matter what’s going on and Devine protection…

Sid:  My guest Mary Kathryn Baxter in 1976 just a normal housewife, a normal mother she was selected by the Lord to go to Hell 30 nights in a row, observe what happened there and tell people.  And Mary Kathryn you were telling me that just at the church your at right now that when you share what you’ve seen with your very eyes in Hell are there many people that hold back from accepting Jesus?

Mary K:  No, they come to the altars, there’s no hard hearts, the testimony seems to just melt their hard hearts because they have understanding and they have a knowledge once you testify of what you’ve seen of Hell and the judgment of God they don’t want that they want to get saved.

Sid:  Now tell me ah you must have had a lot of experience 30 nights in a row, tell me the worst circumstance you saw in Hell of someone suffering.

Mary K:  It was where the abomination of desolations are in Hell, it was that big round metal looking places full of fire, liquid fire and hot lava are bubbling.  And when souls die that go to this place they’re called the abominable, they come down by the demon powers they have a chain on them Sid, their skeletons they pick them up and throw them in this fire.  And they are salted in this fire and swimming in this fire and they feel like they have a real body and there is no end to the torment, no end to the burning, and where some of them like in the left leg of Hell the fires will die down around their ankles and then it will shoot back up over them again.  And the demons in Hell have no feelings, they have no soul so they have no mercy and where the vat are they laugh, they accuse them they say “How can a God of mercy put you in a place like this?”  The accuse God, the demons say that to them and these are the abdominals and it’s horrible, it’s a very horrible experience.

Sid:  Just out of curiosity did you see any people with specific sin such as people that were lesbians or homosexuals in Hell?

Mary K:  There was a river, yes their torments really bad too, it’s in the Book of Hebrews and the Book of Romans.  The scriptures are written in the fires and they’re big block letters like letters, the whole scriptures are written out In the flames and though there’s a current okay that about ten feet wide and the flames from this place is around ten feet high the flame and it flows all through Hell, it’s like a river.  And in this river is live souls being pulled through a current of skeletons they’re charred red from burning in the fire and they’re pulled with it like 80 miles an hour they’re going through this river and they’re screaming and saying “Why didn’t somebody warn us, is there anymore hope for us?”  And they’re voices echo Sid through the chambers of Hell and that where they go.

Sid:  And so in other words they had the scriptures from the two books of New Testament that you mentioned having to do with homosexuality so there was no question as to whether that was a sin.  What other people with specific types of sins did you see?

Mary K:  Okay, in Galatians about the seventeen works of the flesh there was categories in Hell separation in Hell of like there would be 2 million over here like in a valley part of Hell and they would be burning and screaming with a black chain on them and a humongous dead dry feel and would be the liars; people that lied on the earth okay.  And then you would go to the belly of Hell and in the belly of Hell Sid would be a large heart as big as a football field shape of a human heart.  And it would have black snake skin on it and this  place, Christ took me in there and it was horrifying; there was doorways into it and in this place there was a skeletons on fire with a liquid fire that never went out and this was a judgment of God on Hippocrates and backbiters in this section.  And then when you’re out of there you go and there another section for people that were in witchcraft, sorcery in the very center of Hell is the belly of Hell and part of these jail cells are seventeen miles high and three miles around.  The man that was here Sunday saw and he called them cubes.  And these cubes some of at the very top would swing and they would go out and demon powers would have souls in there burning and screaming to get out.  And if you look in the book of Ezekiel it talks about the sides of pits and the fallen kings and evil people in there well that’s in Hell too.  There’s a levels, different levels of torment in Hell, souls that are lost.

Sid:  Let’s talk about you had 30 days or evenings going to Hell in a row and then 10 evenings going to Heaven.

Mary K:  Yes.

Sid:  Tell me one thing that, I might be really excited about that you saw in Heaven.

Mary K:  Heaven, oh praise God!  You…

Sid:  I can tell you’d rather talk about Heaven (laughing)

Mary K:  I love to talk about it, I really do; we’ve had a week of almost seven days of just straight preaching on Hell.  Heaven is a place, okay the main thing I would like is the throne of God, I like to go, I went seven times before the throne and I saw the throne like in Revelations 4 I saw the colors, the rainbows, I saw the lightning coming around the throne.  I saw this huge cloud and the Lord inside the cloud because you couldn’t see His face.  But His voice was like many waters and as it came out there was the redeemed in the audience thousands in seats and angels and the children’s seats are solid gold with diamonds as big as fists where the children sat.  And they’re in the audience they’re in with the other people and then you see an order, an order in Heaven, you see how before His throne there’s angels standing with great dress, their garments are made some of them look like they have feathers on them.  Then some of them have jewels on them and some of them they have their, I don’t know it’s like they earned these garments, I don’t know how to explain it but I felt it that these garments they’ve wearing mean something.  And then they stand before the thones, some blow trumpets 35 feet long, long trumpets, others music playing a piano, there is a piano forty feet across, several angels are sitting there playing the piano and a choirs of music like you’ve never seen.  And you hear the, oh man you hear I don’t know how to say it but you hear the presence of God as well as being there in His presence and it’s like I don’t know how to say it, never on earth have I experienced anything like that.  And when you go before the throne there’s always a purpose and I was brought before the throne several times.  I got to hear what was going on, I got to see treasures being given out, I got to see books of tears opened up.  God was always, they were doing things and it was awesome but when God spoke there was silence and it was just awesome to see, I’d love to go before the throne of God.

Sid:  Now I’ve interviewing you primarily this week because I want to put in the hands of everyone listening what I call an essential mentoring tool and I believe it’s totally demonic that we have a generation of Christians that do not understand the power of the blood.  You talk about in your book pleading the blood, what does that mean to you?

Mary K:  Okay, like prayer when the children come up that maybe there is a young man on crack cocaine and you begin to pray and Holy Spirit prompts you to say “Cover him with the blood of Jesus and you break the stronghold off of him through the name of Jesus and through the blood of Jesus.”  That is saying I believe the blood covenant of Jesus Christ is strong enough to remove that demonic power from him, and as you pray in the Holy Spirit and you cover them with the blood of the lamb they totally get transferred, they get saved, they get filled with the Holy Spirit.  I’ve seen it all over the world, and when you’ve seen it all over the world and when you begin to cover them with the prayer of God and that Jesus loves them and wants to set them free and they get understanding about the blood that Jesus shed.  His blood is right there, right at that moment to wash away their sins if they’ll repent of cocaine and repent of what they are doing they will totally be transformed.  It is the power in the blood of Jesus Christ.

Sid:  Now in my notes it says of all of the revelations that God has given you none has impacted you like the knowledge of the blood of Jesus, why?

Mary K:  Right, because I’ve seen the evidence of it Sid; I’ve seen even angels standing when God permits it it’s called the bloodline.  And I actually see the angels standing really with the blood line, like a line in around the church and all around it and its solid red and their holding that around the church.  And I thought about that and the blood of Jesus has empowered me so much because I prayed for people that’s been very ill and cover them with the blood of Jesus because the blood signifies what Christ did, why He died.  There’s healing in the atonement; there’s healing in the blood of Jesus it impacted my life so because I see the fruit of it; I see the evidence of it.  I see the change in people’s life when we pray and cover them with the blood of Jesus Christ.

Sid:  You talk about even deliverance by pleading the blood, explain.

Mary K:  Yes, okay I was in the church service one day this was a vision that’s in the book, there was a lot of youth coming up for prayer, many of them was into habits, addictions and I was telling them, I said, “You know if you will repent of your sins you know I explained and the blood of Jesus will wash you clean.”  And all at once I saw like the whole in front of them like a screen dropped down and there it was solid red and it begin to wash over those children backwards and forwards.  And they begin to raise their little hands and shout and praise the Lord and they begin to want to be saved and to confess Jesus Christ, they were going through the sinner’s prayer.  And as they went through the sinners prayer this came over them again and again and one of the young woman said, “Can I say something?  And I said, “Yes, honey.”  And she said, “As you were talking about the blood I felt as I repented to God, I was washed in a river of water.”  She said, “I felt a cleansing come all over me.”  And the other ones told it too, some of them were shy but they told how they felt and I saw that, I saw what God was doing.  And it is His mercy and His grace being poured upon us through the blood of Jesus.

Sid:  Red hot is almost an understatement for my guest. I’m speaking to him at his home in Superior, Montana Steven Zarit.  Steven was a very successful Vice President, General Manger of a publication in Orange County, California, but there was something missing in his life, he was searching and dabbling in the New Age and the metaphysical books, he would watch on television people that were healing evangelists and he’d say “Boy I would love, there is something in him, I would love to be able to pray for the sick and have them be healed.”  And one day a brand new believer in Jesus walks in his office and said “God just spoke to me and He wants me to pray for you” well Steven said, “No, thanks,” this guy was persistent he kept coming back, last time he came back Steven for some reason said, “Okay, you can pray for me.”  And Steven I’m going to ask you to say this again because when you said this on yesterday’s broadcast there was a release of the presence of God.  When he touched your foot what happened?

Steven:  Oh yes, when he touched my foot there was a fire a burning fire that went up my left leg and down my right leg and the trunk of my body and into my arms and in my face.  And I started perspiring and I didn’t know that I was meeting gentle Jesus, meek and mild that I was meeting the Lion of Judah, and that it was just, it was phenomenal.  And I was frightened because I wasn’t in control of it and I knew I hadn’t taken any drugs because I was at work and it was just a phenomenal feeling and then it lasted for about oh two minutes and then about five seconds after that it turned in that feeling of fire and heat and power, this incredible power turned into this incredible, the only way I can explain it is liquid love.  I had love for humanity, if I could kiss everybody in the world I would kiss everybody in the world I was so in love with everybody in the world.  And I was so in love that I felt like I was going to bust inside I fell onto the floor and I started laughing hysterically and I started laughing so hard that I started getting cramps in my cheeks.

Sid:  That’s laughing hard!

Steven:  Laughing so hard that I said, “Jim, what is happening to me?”  And he said to me, he said, “Steven you just got baptized in the Holy Spirit.”  I said, “The Holy what?”  He said, “Go home read the book of Acts and read the gospel of John, you have a bible?”  And I said, “Yes I have a Bible.”  So I left and about 2:00 in the afternoon I went home and I started reading the Gospel of John, and then when I got to the book of Acts the second chapter of Acts I went “Oh, my gosh this book was written over 2,000 years ago and what happened to those people just happened to me.  Jesus you are the Messiah, you are the Son of God, You are the King of kings and the Lord of lords, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the end.

Sid:    So I guess when you found out all of this Steven then you just kept it all to yourself, you didn’t tell anyone at work.

Steven:  I went in the next day and I told everybody what had happened to me in my office and seven people came to the Lord, I had like thirty-five women and men working as graphic designers and seven people came to the Lord.

Sid:  Could you keep quiet about Jesus?  Were you able to just zip your mouth and not tell any one about Jesus or was it out of your control?

Steven:  No, it was totally out of my control the phone would ring, this supernatural, the phone would ring and I knew who was on the phone before I picked up the phone.  And I knew what I was suppose to say and he was a Jewish bother, Morris Fox and he lived in Los Angles. I picked up the phone and I said, “Oh hi Morris,” and he said, “How did you know that it was me?”  I said, “Let me tell you what just happened to me yesterday,” and I told him and he didn’t want to listen and he said, “Oh no, no, no that’s not for me, that’s not for me.”  But I said, “I said, “How did you think that I know that it was you on the telephone?”  And he said, “Oh, it’s just a coincidence.”  I said, “No Morris, let me come and we’ll play some tennis in Los Angeles and let me come and tell you what happened.”  So I went to Los Angeles and I told him what happened and he let me pray for him, he let me pray, and the prayer that I prayed is the same prayer that I prayed over my father.  And I said, “Jesus show him that you are the Son of the Living God and within a month he became a believer.”

Sid:  You know what you are describing to me Steven is normal, you couldn’t keep quiet, you had to tell everyone everywhere the good news.  How do I know this, because the same thing happened to me and there was a move of God’s Spirit about that time and many Jewish people became normal.  And then they infected the Gentile Christians and then the Gentile Christians started being normal and the Jesus movement started and the Charismatic movement started.  But then everything calmed down with Jewish people and you know what we call Charismatic and Pentecostal churches today outside of speaking in tongues and a prophecy here of there or one or two healings there is not difference between them and a seeker sensitive church.  There is more, and I know that right now Steven we’re at the move of God’s Spirit once more upon Jewish people and I tell you do not miss this.  That’s why I’ve put together a book of ten Jewish testimonies because God Himself told me to do this.  I mean well over half a million of these in the Russian language alone being mailed systematically to Russian Jews and the streets of Jerusalem, they’re being distributed in Hebrew but, now is God’s time for the United States and this is not just a good book there is an anointing for spiritual scales to come off of the eyes of Jewish people….Now Steven all these people come to the Lord in your office; tell me how did your employer like it that you were witnessing all the time.

Steven:  My employer was a Jewish man raised in the Orthodox Jewish family in Chicago and I went to him and I told him what happened to me and he said to me, “As long as it doesn’t cause any problems with you running my company I don’t have a problem with it.”  And many many years later I went back to work for him he told all of his salesmen, “Steven Zarit is the best General Manager I’ve ever worked with, he’s only got one problem, he’s in love with Jesus Christ.”  [Laughing]

Sid:  Now tell me when you got baptized in the Holy Spirit and angel visited you tell me a little bit about that.

Steven:  Well, I had read all these metaphysical books so I sat in my living room and I started praying and I wanted tongues. So I bought a book called they speak in other tongues and I started reading it. Then I would sit in my living room and I would just keep saying “Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah,” and the presence of the Lord would come on me really strong.  When I picked up my Bible the presence of the Lord would come on me really strong, when I put my Bible down the presence of the Lord would dissipate and I thought “Gee, this is pretty bazaar.”  So I laid in bed one night and I was just lying there going, “Praise You Lord, praise you Lord, hallelujah, hallelujah.”  All of a sudden I man about 8’ tall appeared at the foot of my bed all dressed in white, and I looked at him and I panicked and all of a sudden out came this incredible prayer language, and I got my prayer language.  And I got my prayer language from the Lord and I was just dumfounded by it and then I would go to work and I would try and work but I couldn’t even work because the presence of the Lord was so strong that the Lord would speak to me so clearly and so audibly and say “I want you to go into your office shut the door, get on your hands and face and worship me.”  And I would go into my office, shut the door and get on my hands and face and worship the Lord.  And then I told the Lord I said, “Lord I’m going to lose my job I can’t do my work.”  And the next day Jim showed up and said, “Hey how you doing brother.”  And I said, “Well, I’m doing fine but I told him what was happening and he said, “That’s why I’m here in Anaheim again and the Lord told me that you need to get baptized.”  And I said, “I need to get baptized?” and He said, “Yeah.”  And I said, “It’s October, where am I going to get baptized the oceans ice cold!”  He said, “Well, my mom has a heated swimming pool at her apartment at Garden Grove, California and we can go over there.”  So drove over there at 2:00 in the afternoon and I took off all of my clothes except my underwear and a baby Christian baptized me in his mother’s swimming pool.  I can’t begin to imagine anybody that was looking out their curtains or drapes that day or venetian blinds; when I came out of the water I was able to handle the power and the presence of the Lord that was on me at that particular time.

Sid:  But then all of a sudden miracles broke out; I want you back tomorrow because not only were miracles breaking out on people he prays for, they are going to happen to you.

Sid:  My guest by way of telephone is another Jewish man that is red hot for Jesus. The more I hear about him the more I see myself and the more I see myself and the more that you hear about Steven Zarit the more you’re going to understand Jewish people.  Because we are at the set time to favor Zion; we are at the moment where spiritual scales are coming being removed from the eyes of Jewish people.  Why?  So that God can once more have mercy on Jewish people.  Why?  So that ancient Jewish anointing will merge with the New Covenant Christian Anointing to form the One New Man to reach the rest of the Gentiles.  It’s so wonderful God’s master plan and this is the moment in History in which Jewish people are more open to the gospel than ever before.  And that’s why you must listen to how God dealt with Steven Zarit.  Steven you were born and raised in Los Angeles; you come from a reformed Jewish background.  I have to tell you though Steven my father said, “Reformed wasn’t even Jewish, we came from an Orthodox Jewish background.  And then when I became a believer in Jesus he said, “Reformed looks pretty good, why don’t you consider being reformed.”  Ha-ha.

Steven:  [Laughing]

Sid:  But any way you like myself you gravitated to the supernatural not knowing the difference between God and the devil and you were into the metaphysical and reading books.  I understand you were into Edgar Casey; I was into him too.

Steven:  I was very much into Edgar Casey and I even tried laying on a couch and leaving my body and seeing if I could go somewhere else the way that Edgar Casey did it.  I read the teaching of Don Juan by Carlos Castaneda.  I had long hair, I was a hippy; had a long beard, I smoked a lot of marijuana; I even smoked marijuana and read these books by Edgar Casey. There was something in me there was a driving force in me that wanted to know that there had to be something more to life.

Sid:  What didn’t make sense to me is that you were into the New Age but at the same time you started watching people like Ernest Ansley on television. What did you see and what did you think when you saw these various Christians that were praying for the sick?

Steven:  Yes, I saw Ernest Ansley, I saw Leroy Jenkins, as a matter of fact I just went on the internet last night and Leroy Jenkins is still out there praying for the sick and the Lord’s using him to heal the sick.  It was like the devil put blinders on my eyes not to even consider Yeshua haMashiach; not to consider Jesus as my Savior; not to consider Jesus as the one that…

Sid:  Yeah but didn’t it bother you that these people were praying in the name of Jesus and getting healings and miracles?

Steven:    Yes, it bothered me, and then I started getting… I think the Lord felt that I needed an extra kick in the rump because he started bringing a baby Christian in my office.

Sid:  What were you doing for a living at that time?

Steven:  I was the Vice President of a big publishing, direct mail publishing house called the South Coast Shopper.  And that was 1965, and I had this salesman who was brand new in the Lord, a baby Christian. He came in my office and told me he was driving around Anaheim his territory and God literally spoke to him audibly in his mind and said, “I want you to go back to the Art Department and I want you to pray for Steven Zarit.”  And I told him I said, “Come on, the God who spoke the world into existence you mean the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of Moses, the God of David, the God of Solomon.”  Because I had read parts of the Bible and I had gone to Hebrew school, but it never clicked, nothing ever clicked in my life. So he said, “Yes, that God.”  What? He wants you to pray for me?  And he said, “Yeah.”  So I said, “No, I don’t think so, I don’t think so, I know what you’re going to tell me Jim that you were an alcoholic six months you told me that.  You told me that you walked forward at a Christian non-denominational Christian Church called Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California and God delivered you of your addiction to alcohol.”  I said, “You know to be honest with you I happen to like smoking marijuana I don’t want to be delivered from smoking marijuana.?  And he said, “Well, just let me pray for you,” I said “No, that’s all right.” So about the third or forth time he came into my office I kicked him out of the office and I saw him leave and as he was leaving outside in the parking lot he was raising his hands in the air and he was talking.  He looked like he was talking to himself, I realize now that he was praying and he was probably praying “Oh God I got a Jewish man on the line here; Lord please bring this guy into the kingdom.”  I didn’t know what he was praying but he was praying something.  And I tooked at him and he was smiling and he was laughing, and even though I was making a lot of money I was miserable. I said, “You know God, if you really are there, if you really are God Jehovah, then I want what that guys got.  Well, about three or four days later he came into my office again and he said, “I was in Anaheim again and God is adamant He wants me to pray for you, I said, “Okay, I give up pray for me, what do you want me to do?”  He said, “I want you to take your chair and I want you to put it in the middle of your office, I had a very large office and I had a sofa in there and a loveseat.  And I put my chair in the middle of my office and he starts praying in tongues. Now I didn’t really know too much about tongues, but I had been watching TV a lot lately and watching these healers on TV and seeing them speaking in tongues.  Didn’t know at all what it meant but I thought it was a little bizarre but anyway I let him speak in tongues. Then he touched my left foot and as he touched my left foot this power that I could only describe as like a rocket jet taking off, and this heat this massive heat I started to perspire, and this massive heat went up my left leg and down my right leg into the trunk of my body and into my arms and my face.  And to be honest with you I was frightened because doing drugs over the counter drugs, and smoking marijuana I was always in control and I like to be a person that was in control.  And here he was just touching my foot and all of a sudden I’m not in control and all of a sudden it scared me, I started just perspiring all over the place. Then the next thing that happened within five or six seconds the heat dissipated and this joy that I can’t even put into the English language this joy just went right through my body and I started to laugh hysterically.  And the next thing I know I found myself on the floor face down and I was laughing so hard I was getting cramps in my cheeks.  I was saying, “Do you realize what you are saying?”  I was saying, “Thank you Jesus, I love You Jesus, thank You Jesus, I love You Jesus.”  And the next thing I know I see a visible hand in front of my face and it held up it’s thumb and it’s fore finger, and I heard an audible voice in my head and the voice said, “This is all the love that I’m giving you right now because if I were to give you any more you would surely die.”  And I was just, I was dumb founded, I was so happy and to be honest with you the first thing I thought was this is phenomenal and it doesn’t cost me anything, it’s free!!

Sid:  [Laughing]

Steven:  And the next thing I know I look up at Jim and I say “Jim, what’s happening to me?”  And I’m with the belly laughing and the sweating, and everything.”  And he said, “You just got baptized in the Holy Spirit.”  And I said, “I got baptized in the Holy what?”

Sid:   [Laughing]

Steven:  He said, “You just got baptized in the Holy Spirit.”  Do you have a Bible at home?  And I said, “Yes, I have a Bible at home.”  He said, “Then go ahead and read the Gospel of John and the Book of Acts.”  And I went home and I was like 2:00 in the afternoon, I had a lot of work to do but I was so in love with humanity.  I can’t even, I can’t put it into words, I loved everybody on the face of the earth; the Lord just gave me this incredible love for everyone.  And all I wanted to do was to tell everybody that Jesus was the Son of God and that He died for my sins.

Sid:  Now, I want you to pay attention Mishpochah Steven has now just become normal. Are you normal, are you in a congregation of normal people?  I tell you what Steven is describing is exactly what the scriptures say happened at Shavuot or Pentecost.

Sid:  My guest by way of telephone is another Jewish man that is red hot for Jesus. The more I hear about him the more I see myself and the more I see myself and the more that you hear about Steven Zarit the more you’re going to understand Jewish people.  Because we are at the set time to favor Zion; we are at the moment where spiritual scales are coming being removed from the eyes of Jewish people.  Why?  So that God can once more have mercy on Jewish people.  Why?  So that ancient Jewish anointing will merge with the New Covenant Christian Anointing to form the One New Man to reach the rest of the Gentiles.  It’s so wonderful God’s master plan and this is the moment in History in which Jewish people are more open to the gospel than ever before.  And that’s why you must listen to how God dealt with Steven Zarit.  Steven you were born and raised in Los Angeles; you come from a reformed Jewish background.  I have to tell you though Steven my father said, “Reformed wasn’t even Jewish, we came from an Orthodox Jewish background.  And then when I became a believer in Jesus he said, “Reformed looks pretty good, why don’t you consider being reformed.”  Ha-ha.

Steven:  [Laughing]

Sid:  But any way you like myself you gravitated to the supernatural not knowing the difference between God and the devil and you were into the metaphysical and reading books.  I understand you were into Edgar Casey; I was into him too.

Steven:  I was very much into Edgar Casey and I even tried laying on a couch and leaving my body and seeing if I could go somewhere else the way that Edgar Casey did it.  I read the teaching of Don Juan by Carlos Castaneda.  I had long hair, I was a hippy; had a long beard, I smoked a lot of marijuana; I even smoked marijuana and read these books by Edgar Casey. There was something in me there was a driving force in me that wanted to know that there had to be something more to life.

Sid:  What didn’t make sense to me is that you were into the New Age but at the same time you started watching people like Ernest Ansley on television. What did you see and what did you think when you saw these various Christians that were praying for the sick?

Steven:  Yes, I saw Ernest Ansley, I saw Leroy Jenkins, as a matter of fact I just went on the internet last night and Leroy Jenkins is still out there praying for the sick and the Lord’s using him to heal the sick.  It was like the devil put blinders on my eyes not to even consider Yeshua haMashiach; not to consider Jesus as my Savior; not to consider Jesus as the one that…

Sid:  Yeah but didn’t it bother you that these people were praying in the name of Jesus and getting healings and miracles?

Steven:    Yes, it bothered me, and then I started getting… I think the Lord felt that I needed an extra kick in the rump because he started bringing a baby Christian in my office.

Sid:  What were you doing for a living at that time?

Steven:  I was the Vice President of a big publishing, direct mail publishing house called the South Coast Shopper.  And that was 1965, and I had this salesman who was brand new in the Lord, a baby Christian. He came in my office and told me he was driving around Anaheim his territory and God literally spoke to him audibly in his mind and said, “I want you to go back to the Art Department and I want you to pray for Steven Zarit.”  And I told him I said, “Come on, the God who spoke the world into existence you mean the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of Moses, the God of David, the God of Solomon.”  Because I had read parts of the Bible and I had gone to Hebrew school, but it never clicked, nothing ever clicked in my life. So he said, “Yes, that God.”  What? He wants you to pray for me?  And he said, “Yeah.”  So I said, “No, I don’t think so, I don’t think so, I know what you’re going to tell me Jim that you were an alcoholic six months you told me that.  You told me that you walked forward at a Christian non-denominational Christian Church called Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California and God delivered you of your addiction to alcohol.”  I said, “You know to be honest with you I happen to like smoking marijuana I don’t want to be delivered from smoking marijuana.?  And he said, “Well, just let me pray for you,” I said “No, that’s all right.” So about the third or forth time he came into my office I kicked him out of the office and I saw him leave and as he was leaving outside in the parking lot he was raising his hands in the air and he was talking.  He looked like he was talking to himself, I realize now that he was praying and he was probably praying “Oh God I got a Jewish man on the line here; Lord please bring this guy into the kingdom.”  I didn’t know what he was praying but he was praying something.  And I tooked at him and he was smiling and he was laughing, and even though I was making a lot of money I was miserable. I said, “You know God, if you really are there, if you really are God Jehovah, then I want what that guys got.  Well, about three or four days later he came into my office again and he said, “I was in Anaheim again and God is adamant He wants me to pray for you, I said, “Okay, I give up pray for me, what do you want me to do?”  He said, “I want you to take your chair and I want you to put it in the middle of your office, I had a very large office and I had a sofa in there and a loveseat.  And I put my chair in the middle of my office and he starts praying in tongues. Now I didn’t really know too much about tongues, but I had been watching TV a lot lately and watching these healers on TV and seeing them speaking in tongues.  Didn’t know at all what it meant but I thought it was a little bizarre but anyway I let him speak in tongues. Then he touched my left foot and as he touched my left foot this power that I could only describe as like a rocket jet taking off, and this heat this massive heat I started to perspire, and this massive heat went up my left leg and down my right leg into the trunk of my body and into my arms and my face.  And to be honest with you I was frightened because doing drugs over the counter drugs, and smoking marijuana I was always in control and I like to be a person that was in control.  And here he was just touching my foot and all of a sudden I’m not in control and all of a sudden it scared me, I started just perspiring all over the place. Then the next thing that happened within five or six seconds the heat dissipated and this joy that I can’t even put into the English language this joy just went right through my body and I started to laugh hysterically.  And the next thing I know I found myself on the floor face down and I was laughing so hard I was getting cramps in my cheeks.  I was saying, “Do you realize what you are saying?”  I was saying, “Thank you Jesus, I love You Jesus, thank You Jesus, I love You Jesus.”  And the next thing I know I see a visible hand in front of my face and it held up it’s thumb and it’s fore finger, and I heard an audible voice in my head and the voice said, “This is all the love that I’m giving you right now because if I were to give you any more you would surely die.”  And I was just, I was dumb founded, I was so happy and to be honest with you the first thing I thought was this is phenomenal and it doesn’t cost me anything, it’s free!!

Sid:  [Laughing]

Steven:  And the next thing I know I look up at Jim and I say “Jim, what’s happening to me?”  And I’m with the belly laughing and the sweating, and everything.”  And he said, “You just got baptized in the Holy Spirit.”  And I said, “I got baptized in the Holy what?”

Sid:   [Laughing]

Steven:  He said, “You just got baptized in the Holy Spirit.”  Do you have a Bible at home?  And I said, “Yes, I have a Bible at home.”  He said, “Then go ahead and read the Gospel of John and the Book of Acts.”  And I went home and I was like 2:00 in the afternoon, I had a lot of work to do but I was so in love with humanity.  I can’t even, I can’t put it into words, I loved everybody on the face of the earth; the Lord just gave me this incredible love for everyone.  And all I wanted to do was to tell everybody that Jesus was the Son of God and that He died for my sins.

Sid:  Now, I want you to pay attention Mishpochah Steven has now just become normal. Are you normal, are you in a congregation of normal people?  I tell you what Steven is describing is exactly what the scriptures say happened at Shavuot or Pentecost.