It's Supernatural

SID: My guest Rich Vera went to Heaven and had so much revelation downloaded to the Word of God. One of my favorite passages of all the Bible is the prophet Isaiah, the 53^rd Chapter. Why? Because it is a perfect description of the Messiah, Jesus. And it was written eight to 900 years before Jesus came to Earth. What did Isaiah teach you about that, Isaiah 53?

RICH: You see, I was able to see in a vision. You know, when Isaiah talked to me it was the voice of the Lord talking, but it was him talking. And that’s when I realized that when we read the Word of God it’s not just somebody’s opinion. It is literally the Lord talking through the prophets. And when I saw Isaiah 53, I saw the cross, and I saw Jesus’ crucifixion. And the power of that event that Jesus did not die just to forgive our sins, even though that’s a main thing. But there’s wholeness. There’s the healing of the spirit of the soul and the body that happened on that cross, that happened to shed the blood of Jesus. You know, many times we have forgotten about the cross and we have forgotten about the blood. But really, it was on the cross, in the Old Testament when they looked at the serpents on the pole. You know, Moses said, “Whosoever looks shall live.” Well there was a shadow of the crucifixion, and in the cross our sins were there, our sicknesses. So when he spoke this to me his voice came out with such a power. And I realized, we emphasize on the cure of the body. Most people that talk about healing talk about cures. But in reality when you get the spirit inside of a person well and whole, then the healing of the body will following automatically.

SID: And that’s the missing link. That’s why a lot of people even, they get healed and then it seems like the symptoms come back so easily. It’s because those same wounds are still there.

RICH: Exactly. There are some [unintelligible] that have not dealt with [unintelligible] that we spoke about inequity. You know, there are so many things that we don’t allow, and then we want things from God. And then when they don’t work the enemy comes to deceive us. Well maybe God don’t want to heal, it’s not your time or so many things. But I found that in the presence of the Glory of God there’s wholeness. You see, Heaven was all about the Glory. Heaven, there is not an ounce of anointing in Heaven. There is no anointing in Heaven. The anointing is for the Earth. But Heaven is all about the Glory because Heaven is all about God. In Heaven, no one is insignificant. Isaiah, all these people that I saw and I was able to converse, they had one message to me. I asked them a thousand questions and their message was the Glory, and the Glory is God. So Heaven is full of His glory. God fills Heaven. Worship is directed. Everything is directed towards a person of God. I was able to see up on a hill the palace of God, and I said a palace because it looked to me like a palace covered by a shot, by a cloud. But it was a dark cloud like a cloud that’s about to pour rain. And that dark cloud, it covered half of the palace. And the palace was up on the mountain. I was trying to run up to catch it, because my mind is still at work. So I’m thinking, I’m going to go up there real quick and just touch it a little bit. And the more I ran up, the higher it went. I understood when it says, “I saw the Lord and He was high and lifted up.” So not only He is high, but He’s in a continuous state of going higher. And the worship of the people is what exalts, the word “exalt” is to bring high. So God is on continuous exultation. And the way we connect with God, really I learned, is to worship, is to finding that connection. And then I saw suddenly that a door opened up and this river came down from the palace. When this river came down it looked like if it was as thick as liquid chocolate. But it was the water that came out, it was gold, it was like gold liquid. And the water would curl and would come down. It looks almost like a cartoon. And suddenly I hear a voice as the water is coming down, that that was the river of life, and anything that it touches it turns it back into life. And I could see the grass and some of the flowers that it would go right through, and it would come alive. They were alive.

SID: So that river is available today. And I’m going to ask you to pray, especially people that have these inequities, these wounds in their souls that are preventing them from activating the promises of God. I believe if you pray for them right now there is going to be a supernatural river of life.

RICH: I believe that. You know, most of us we deal with transgressions. You know, transgressions is the act of what we do wrong. You know, but there’s a thing in the Bible that’s called inequity, which is that inner cause that makes you do the other sins. Most of us, we’re clean. We say we don’t do smoke, we don’t drink, we don’t do this. But yet if we don’t deal with what’s in our heart, the wickedness of our heart, the things that was inherited, then eventually that scene will come back again causing you to fall. And that’s why so many good people, maybe you’re watching us and you are a good believer, and you don’t know why you fell into a sin, into a thing, it is because you never dealt with the issue of the heart. And I pray right now in the name of Jesus there are many ministers, people called to minister right now and you fell away, and you felt God is done with me. But no, the Lord wants to restore your life. He did it for me, and it was His presence, it was His voice, His word that completely delivered me. And I know God wants to restore you. And I pray in the name of the Lord Jesus that this will be the day and the hour where the Lord restores your life, heals you, remove every generation or curse out of your life and brings the presence of the Holy Spirit into every compartment of your heart and of your soul, and heals you in the name of Jesus.

SID: You know, I feel, as you’re talking right now I am hearing words of knowledge. I am hearing that people with arthritis in their fingers, if you will  move your fingers the arthritis is gone. And others, right there, I’m speaking to you. If you have a pain in your neck or your back, if you’ll just stand up, stretch, touch the ceiling, you know what I’m saying, move your head, you’ll see that that pain is totally gone, is very strong, and fingers. Is God showing you anything?

RICH: Yeah. You know, definitely arthritis. There is somebody with a back problem and you had an accident, and you have been in extreme pain for many years because of your back. Some of your discs were damaged. The Lord is healing you right now. There’s a great healing in your body. There’s also somebody else with a blockage on your ear, on your hearing right now that the Lord is delivering you from that stuff. There is people with depression, heavy depression, and the Lord is lifting that veil of depression out of your life and you’re being free right now by the power of the Holy Spirit.

SID: And I can say this to you right now. This show was designed for you. Remember when I said, come home? That was for you. God is not angry with you. He sent his son to die for you. And I tell you, you would not be watching this show if there wasn’t time to come home. Turn from your sin, turn to God, believe Jesus died and is your Lord and lives inside of you, and rose from the dead.

SID: How would you like to be in a foreign country and have a doctor say, you’ve got 80 tumors and you have about three months to live. Good opportunity to be fearful. What happened to you, Gary?

GARY: Sid, God gave me such a conviction in my spirit that it was not cancer and it turned out it wasn’t. I’m the only white person alive that they have diagnosed this disease anywhere that they know of on the east coast. And now they found it that the last time they did an MRI of my lungs, there’s down to two the size of a pinpoint. No chemotherapy, nothing whatsoever. God just moved miraculously in a supernatural way. But the real that God has done that is so critical in this, is that when there’s a voice of fear, it can be a diagnosis. For many of these countries that you reach into it can be a juju. It can be someone who’s bringing a curse, decrees and death upon a person. It can be the fear of treading into areas of reaching their family’s history that has created such a tormented life.

SID: If you find that heart trouble runs in a family.

GARY: That’s right.

SID: Tell me what was wrong with your father, and that’s shorthand for saying, I put this curse on you.

GARY: Right. Exactly. And these curses are so real because we adopt them, we accept them as standards, as reality, false evidence appearing real. So and we need to know the difference that the greater one lives on the inside of us, that the love of God that has penetrated our hearts is more supernatural than any voice that speaks against us. As a father, I would never put a disease on my child. As a father, I would never see my child go unwanted. As a father, I would never see my child go into a car crash, into some disease or some prolific situation that destroys their life. And that’s how God’s love is in us. It is the power of God to rise up and conquer fear, because perfect love casts out all fear. But you must understand that fear is a voice that wants to paralyze us from the purpose and plan of God in our life. If we are stopped by fear at any juncture, we are not able to take the next steps. God has given me the keys to break the bands of the fears that cripple the minds of men.

SID: Would you teach on one or two of these keys right now. Would you do that?

GARY: One of them is simply the presence of natural information. As you see it and the voice that you hear, because there’s a spirit behind that natural information, and God has given us power. It says in Romans, Chapter 8, “God never gave us a spirit of bondage to fear, but one that cries out, ‘Abba Father,'” Daddy God. That we are not limited. So there’s a spirit that induces fear, number one.

SID: You know, I’m reminded of the scripture. It says, “God has not given us the spirit to see the word of fear.” It actually is a spirit. We think it’s ourself. We think it’s everything but what it is. It’s a spirit. It’s an enemy.

GARY: And it must be conquered. And it’s conquered by the indwelling nature of Christ within us, the action on his name, the name Jesus, Yeshua, and the power of the spirit that God has given to us. Then there is fear that comes by trusting the natural flesh. I’m not capable of overcoming this. I’m not able to deal with this. And the fear that comes by trusting in our intellect, in our natural ability. But we’re not natural, Sid. We are supernatural children of God endowed by Him with the power of the resurrection life of Almighty God.

SID: I have to tell you. Can I tell you a confession?

GARY: Go ahead. I’m listening.

SID: All right. I’ll tell you a confession, too, and I’ll tell you a confession, too. I don’t have the ability that you see me demonstrating every week. I don’t, and I learned a long time ago that I never will. But if I lean on God, He always helps me out.

GARY: Absolutely.

SID: So I could be fearful knowing that I’m kind of limited in my abilities. I really am. But I’m unlimited in Him.

GARY: Absolutely.

SID: Unlimited. You are unlimited in Him. You are unlimited in Him

GARY: The power of God is so overwhelming in every believer if they just access and become aware, acknowledge the life, nature, Christ that is within. God has given us life post-mortem. Think about it. We began after death. We don’t begin with this life. We begin after death having conquered Hell death in the grave and we are more than conquerors through Him who loves us. So there is nothing in this earth. There’s nothing from Hell. There’s nothing from man or disease that has the power to stop a child of God. We are supernaturally endowed by God

SID: Gary, you have seen with your own natural eyes so many miracles. Tell me one about eyes that you’ve seen.

GARY: I’ve watched God. We had a crusade over in Zaire, which is now the Democratic Republic of Congo, and we lined up 60, 70 people that had milky gobs in their eyes, no eyeballs at all. We were on national television on the presidential steps. And the Spirit of God spoke to me to have them video all the eyes before God moved. And then we prayed for God to just demonstrate the power to create eyeballs. And God put new eyes in every one of those people. We had such a flood of tens of thousands of people across the land coming to Christ. It was such an overwhelming. They brought the military out to try to stop hoards of people from coming to the steps of the palace of the president.

SID: Now let me ask you this. Money. That’s a big hot potato with a lot of people today. You had to raise $4-1/2 million. There’s no way you could raise this. And then you started teaching the members of your congregation how to prosper. What happened?

GARY: God spoke to me to invite 20 families to our living room. One of the people that came to our living room, I helped bail out of jail for prostitution. Another one, we were helping pay their electric because they couldn’t pay their electric bill. Another one we were helping them pay their rent because they couldn’t pay their rent. There wasn’t one person in those 20 families that had the capacity of giving anything. But the Spirit of God spoke to me to tell them that God was putting into their hands, each one of them, over $20,000 to donate, and they were to stand up in front of the church the next day and tell the entire congregation they’re giving up to a half-a-million dollars, and they wanted the church to match it with them. And we’re talking people that had no money. And within 30 days, the first month, the next 30 days, the entire million dollars came in. We had people that never saw money flood into their lives. One family gave over $80,000. That was the one we helped pay the electric bill. Within the first 60 days, the spirit of God flooded that place and just poured out such wealth. It was overwhelming, Sid, just to see one thought from God cripple the voice of the banks saying, unless you have this money, we’re taking that property.

SID: Well we’re coming into some pretty rough times on Planet Earth, if you haven’t noticed. But these are going to be the best times. Look, God doesn’t want to make you a millionaire just to make you a millionaire. You have a greater, you have a higher purpose, you have a higher destiny. You just think that God is a good sugar daddy that’s going to just make things wonderful for you. You have a purpose much greater than all the money in the world. You have a destiny. You have a fingerprint unlike anyone that has ever existed before or after you, and no one can do what you can do. And so why are you frittering away your life on nothing when you could have everything. Everything is knowing that Jesus died for your sins, knowing that you are righteous because Jesus lives inside of you. Hearing God’s voice and fulfilling your destiny. There is no close second. So come to your senses. Your mother didn’t raise a dummy. Make Jesus your Lord. Make Jesus your Lord.

GARY: Amen.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I have so been looking forward to this guest, because as a young boy, he heard the voice of God, and God called him to be a worship leader, a modern day Levite. And this man spent eight hours a day worshiping God. He’s paid the price and you are going to get the glory that comes off of this man as he sings. I mean, people get delivered of everything you could imagine. They have supernatural experiences. They get physically healed. They get spiritually healed. Every addiction you can think of can’t take the heat of the anointing. Now my guest, many of you are familiar with, Eddie James, seeing as he’s number three on the Gospel charts. Eddie, what intrigues me so much about you is you’re a young boy. You’re saved and you hear the voice of God. What did He say to you?

EDDIE: Well I will never forget it The Lord spoke to me when I was eight years old when I gave my life to Jesus Christ. And the moment that I did I heard the Lord say, I’m going to use you. You’re going to be a minister of the Gospel through music and I’m going to take you to the nations of the world. And that’s what he spoke to me.

SID: Was it inside or was it an audible voice?

EDDIE: I audibly heard that. It was as if everything in the room tuned out and I just heard the voice of God as if it was my father calling. I audibly heard His voice.

SID: Okay. What’s a young kid do? I can tell you what a young kid does. He goes to his mother and tells her. What did she say?

EDDIE: Well you know, I told my father first when I got in a car with him to go home and he said, tell your mother what you told me. When I told her that she was so moved. And she had received a prophecy while I was in her womb. She wasn’t even showing yet. This man came from Africa, called my mother out of the choir that she was in and spoke to her those exact same words, and she wrote his words on a card, and she pulled it out of her Bible when I told her that.

SID: You know, from the little bit that I’ve heard about your mom, I can see why she’s your hero. Is she really? Tell me the truth.

EDDIE: Yeah. Naomi is powerhouse in the name of the Lord. She’s my hero.

SID: You know, we don’t have time to go over it, but you saw so many miracles at home because you didn’t have much. You saw food materialize. You saw healings. That was natural for you.

EDDIE: Yes. We were in a time when my family hit a very struggling moment financially. And during that season the Lord showed me faith through the prayer life and of my mother, and how the Lord would answer her. And you mentioned the food thing. I’ll never forget, we had no food in the cupboards. She sat us down around the table and she put the pots on the stove as if she had something to cook. But I knew because I had been in there, no food in the refrigerator or in the cupboards. And then the doorbell rang. After praying, the doorbell rang and I turned around in my seat to watch what was going to happen, because my mother had been in the Spirit all day. She goes to the door, opens the door. There are 12 bags of groceries around the doorstep.

SID: Listen, you think that’s something. He saw his mom pray for gas when they needed gas to drive the car, and he saw the dial on the gas meter go all the way up.

EDDIE: Yes, absolutely.

SID: I mean, he’s seen every miracle as a kid. I mean, I didn’t even know my left hand from my right hand as a kid. But wait until you hear this song by Eddie James, you see, because he got it from an open vision from Heaven. And he heard aborted babies, babies that died young. So you have a big burden for aborted babies. When they were singing in this what you heard, you used the, is it dah, dah, dah. Explain that.

EDDIE: Open vision in Gaston, Alabama, pastor’s home, preparing for service, and I come into this vision, and I heard this song called, “I Need You.” And there’s a part in this song where it didn’t make sense to me at first, [singing] dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. [speaking] And I said, what is that? And the Lord took me into this place where were these children that were singing. Many of them had been aborted. Some of them had died as miscarriage. Some of them had died young. They were worshiping God. It was the sound of worship from those children.

SID: I tell you, I prophecy to you, your hunger for God is going to grow as you hear, “I Need You”.

EDDIE [music, singing] Dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. I need you. I long for you. My heart and my flesh cries up for the Living God, for the Living God. Invite your ear, the trembling and tears are yearning. To the throne of grace, to seek your face, I’m yearning loving for God. I need you. I need you. For nothing and no place no one else will do. I need you. I need you. For you satisfy the long inside. I need you. I need you. For nothing and no place no one else will do. I need you. I need you. For you satisfy the longing inside. Lord, we need you. I need you. For nothing and no place will do. I need you, oh I need you, Lord. For you satisfy the longing inside. I need you, I need you. For nothing in no place will do. I need you, Lord I need you. I need you, Lord I need. For no place, no one else will do. Jesus, I need you, yes I need you. Oh but you satisfy the longing. Jesus, I need you. For no place, no one else will do. I need you. For you satisfy the longing. Jesus, I need you, Lord. Jesus, I need you. No place, no one else will do. Jesus, I need you. Lord I need you. Satisfy the longing. Jesus, I need you, yes, I need you, Lord.

Sid:I am so excited about Julie True’s destiny; her destiny is to release an anointing a supernatural anointing of peace which gets rid of all blockages within you. All traumas within you which people are able to sleep.  As a matter of fact you had one testimony of someone that wrote into you about heavenly fragrances tell me about that.

Julie:  Yes, she said that when she played my music and listened to my music that she was smelling sweet fresh flower like a rose.She said I have no perfume or anything so what is that?  And she said that it any time I listen to your music I have deep rest and I can worship and pray deeper and so I love that that’s awesome.

Sid:Also there’s so many people with sleep problems do people actually play your music all night and they get deeper and they get better sleep, and they start dreaming about heavenly things rather than the junk that a lot of people dream about?

Julie:  Yes I have heard that a lot where people are able to sleep and it just keeps and atmosphere of God’s presence in their house and they don’t have as much trouble waking up.

Sid:Well, I just saw someone’s hip it’s just been restored in Jesus Name, your hip is restored.  What is soaking to you Julie?

Julie:  Soaking to me being still, quieting my soul, awakening my spirit and just dialing down from thinking and really letting God just flow through me and speak to me and interact with me, and it’s a time of receiving.  And when I’m leading when I’m on the leading side of soaking and not just laying out on the floor, for me it is about just singing my heart to God whatever is in that moment and letting Him…to me soaking is like, you know we can get all this hard stuff on our heart sometimes and soaking is like water does it just softens things.  It softens things, it washes away all of the debris and it cleanses us.So it’s just a time of really stopping life and being still and letting God go deep in your heart.

Sid:Well, I believe that God want to go deep in the heart of those that are listening right now.In the barn years were you were really just plain desperate for God and you would go to a freezing cold barn at night with no heat and just worship God knowing it was only you and God.  Tell me about the song “Oh My Soul.”

Julie:  Well, I was learning to read and to sing the Psalms.That Psalm just really connected with me in that moment of desperation and so I began singing it.  And I love how honest the Psalms are, you know you can be real with God and you can say I don’t get it, I need answers I have lots of unanswered questions here.  And you just start speaking to your soul and saying “Find rest in God alone.”  And so I began singing that over myself and that is how that song came into being.

Sid: I can feel, I’ll tell you what Julie I can feel the river of God flowing right now.Someone’s neck was just healed in Jesus Name.

Julie True“Oh, My Soul”

Sid:That was Julie True singing “Oh My Soul.”…

Sid: I have a good friend on the telephone. I can’t say I know him that well, but I can consider him a good friend, primarily because I was a friend of his grandfather’s and I see a lot of similarity. My guest is Dr. Peter Wyns, his grandfather is Dr. Derek Prince whose been promoted to heaven. When I got ahold of his latest book it’s called… It’s quite a title Peter…

Peter: Yes it is.

Sid: “Fighting Death and Other Desperate Battles.” In your own words why did you write this book?

Peter: Well I came in contact with a couple, Ronnie & Clarice Holden who by all natural means should have died, but they learned to pray and they fought a spiritual battle and they lived, and he lived. I believe that there are so many people across the country who are fighting spiritual battles and some of them as though they are losing those battles, and they need to know how to fight, they need to know how to pray and put their faith in God.

Sid: Not only losing, but giving up because they’re not seeing victory around them. It is a spiritual fight it’s not dealing with flesh and blood.

Peter: Yeah that’s right. In fact the Bible says “That death is our last enemy.” You have to fight enemies, but were not always trained to fight. People don’t like conflict, they don’t live for conflict. Humanity wasn’t brought into a life of conflict, we love peace. So when conflict comes before us, often we don’t know how to fight, we don’t know how to standup, but we need to learn when we’re faced with trauma and difficulty. That’s what spiritual warfare is all about, and that’s what the book is all about.

Sid: Now this story is basically about a man that stood no chance of survival. In fact, didn’t the doctor tell his wife he only had hours or days to live?

Peter: Yes actually many times. They had 14 different doctors working on him. At one point they gave him 3 hours to live.

Sid: Just for those that haven’t read the book…

Peter: Yeah.

Sid: Tell me just briefly his story, what happened to him.

Peter: He was riding home late at night in his truck from his business; he owns a restaurant just north of Myrtle Beach.  A drunk driver going about 80 MPH t-boned him, and he went flying through the passengers window and rolled on the ground. The truck came rolling behind him and took out a fire hydrant, and he was a real mess. His back was broken in 2 places, his pelvis is broken, his leg was shattered, and all his insides were bruised and tore up; his kidneys, and his intestines, and his liver and such. They got him to the hospital, and then a short time after he became very septic. He had peritonitis, and they had to rush him to an operation. He went into a coma, and they opened him up and they couldn’t close him for 12 days because he was so swollen, and he was such a mess. The doctor’s just said “He cannot live, he cannot live.” That’s where Clarice, his wife, stepped forward and said “Doctor I need you to come into agreement with me for the life of my husband.” For a long time the doctor said “I can’t he’s just not going to live mam I’m very sorry,” but she insisted. Finally the doctor he said “Alright we’ll agree with you as much as we can.” They prayed and they prayed, and they won the battle. He’s alive today, 6 years later and doing fabulous.

Sid: If his wife had not understood, what actually I consider your book a manual for desperate situations. If his wife did not do what she did I happen to believe he would be in heaven right now.

Peter: Yeah there’s no doubt about it in my mind. It was just the wife it was also the whole church. You know she stay in the hospital for 52 days; slept on the couch in the waiting room, and every day, all day long and all night, the church had somebody with her, and they prayed. They just stayed, they stayed in faith and they listened to the Holy Spirit and they prayed, and they gave thanks to the Lord, and they did what the Lord told them to do through this whole thing. They saw miracle, after miracle, after miracle.

Sid: Just as a matter of review, I personally considered your grandfather one of the best Bible teachers of anyone I’ve known or studied. What was his spin on healing, what did he believe?

Peter: Grandpa Derek believed that if we met God’s conditions we would get God’s blessings. The more we lined up with God the more we would get of His blessings. Because we don’t get of his blessings it means that in some way we’re missing out on what the Lord has for us. So he believed with all of his heart in absolute healing in every situation if we could find the heart of God and press through in agreement with Him.

Sid: You know I listened to a cassette this past weekend of a friend of mine who’s battling cancer. He’s a tremendous Bible teacher his name is Jack Frost. He said “This last year has been the best of times, and the worst of times.” The worst of times because of the pain, etcetera, but the best of times because finally he’s learned what the book of Hebrews talks about the Shabbat, the Sabbath rest, he’s learned what it is to rest in God.

Peter: Yes.

Sid: It was so wonderful, but your book has… I have to call it a manual for those are close to giving up, or have hopeless situations in any arena.

Peter: Yes.

Sid: Now you talk about a word we hear a lot, but I don’t think we really understand. It’s called prayers of supplication. What does that mean?

Peter: Supplication is one of the 7 types of prayer that I’ve discovered in the scriptures. In supplication itself it means a desperate cry to God for help for a miracle in a time of great trauma and crisis. It means a bowing of the heart; a taking ahold of God; it means to wrestle with Him like Jacob wrestled with the angel and he won the battle and was blessed because of it.

Sid: Now speaking of desperate prayer you’ve prayed for a lot of people that have been sick that God has healed. Tell me about someone dead that you prayed for.

Peter: Yes it was just a couple of years ago we were in a ministry time in Shallotte, NC. The meeting was going on quite late because we had hundreds, and hundreds of people that we were praying for. I was kneeling down on the ground beside somebody who was, you know receiving some ministry. This man came up behind me, he’s a good friend now, his name is Marvin Rollins. He came up behind me and he said “Peter I’m not feeling well.” I turned around and saw him and his whole body was covered in perspiration. The church was air conditioned, it was cool in there, but he had perspiration on his neck, on the back of his hands. He was having a heart attack I had seen this before. We actually had a nurse there, a heart ward nurse there who verified all of these things later. I immediately stood up and had him sit down on the side of the platform and I got a cloth and started wiping his brow, and at the same time I was just rebuking the demon spirits that I could see were attacking him and wanting to take his life. While I had one hand behind him because he was swooning, and you could see he was losing the battle and he died. His pulse stopped, the nurse was there she took his vital signs. I just rebuked the spirit of death and I said “You spirit of death I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. I command life to come into you,” and he just took a gasp like (sound of quick inhaling) like that. Immediately his eyes had life in them, and his heart started again, and he started to breathe again. Within a minute he just sat up and he just got better and better. He stayed for the next 2 days; he never went to intensive care at the hospital. When the conference was over I talked with, I said “Marvin when you get home would you go see a doctor and let us know what has happened.” He did, and 2 weeks later we got the report, and he said “My doctor said it’s amazing the condition of my heart has changed, my physical heart.” He said “I no longer have any high blood pressure, I don’t have any cholesterol problems,” and he said on top of all that “My back that was severely full of pain and had a lot of problems with it” he said it’s totally been healed as well. It was amazing. I’ve seen him several times since then over the last couple of years, and he’s just rejoicing in the Lord.

Sid: Peter what is the biggest lesson, and there’s so many lessons we can learn as you wrote about the great miracle of Ron Holden. What is the biggest lesson you’ve learned from that?

Peter: Well there’s a story Jesus tells concerning prayer. He said “There was a widow lady who felt like she was unjustly treated. She went to the judge and the judge didn’t pay any attention, but she kept nagging and nagging and pressing in and asking. Finally the judge, who was not a great judge, but he said because the woman was nagging him he finally acquiesced and said ‘Okay I am going to help you.’ He brought justice to her situation.” Jesus told this strange story and then He said “I want you to pray like that. I want you to continue to come knocking on the door like this woman did to a God who is just.” I think what happens is that when we push into God, we do it with faith in our hearts and with thanksgiving in our hearts, then even though we might not begin having the keys to unlock the doors that need to unlock. I think God will many times give us those keys as we walk with Him, and amazing things can happen.

Sid: Briefly, because it’s a new book, tell me one person and the affect it had on them when they read your book “Fighting Death and Other Desperate Battles.”

Peter: Yeah, many people have been blessed, but one in particular is a story of a man up in the Pittsburgh area whose life was hanging in the valence and somebody in his family, or one of his friends got ahold of this book and read it. Because of that they decided to go into 5^th gear in their prayer, they decided to fight for his life in a whole new way. They gained faith, and they prayed, and prayed. Within a week his whole situation turned around and he was brought back from the brink of death.