It's Supernatural

SID: What happens if you’re speaking and you think you hear a word? No, you do hear a word. It’s “coffee”. What do you do with this word? What did you do with that word, Joan?

JOAN: It’s so fun prophesying and hearing the voice of God, and trying to determine exactly where you go from here on this word. And I’m in the pulpit, and I’m like, God, you want me to say “coffee”? I mean, come on, coffee, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

SID: You could talk yourself out of that very easily.

JOAN: Easy. I mean, come on, I’m right in the middle of a healing service and you’re telling me to do coffee? And so, I’ve got to give this word, because sometimes you just get a word. But if you step out and say the word, God will give you the rest. And so I get up in the pulpit and I say, I literally said the word. I said, “I have a word for somebody. It’s coffee.” And then kind of in the back, this couple breaks out wailing and crying, “Oh my God!” And then at that point, they go, right after that I said, then God gives me more, ‘The coffee has been stolen and God is getting ready to restore something to do with coffee.” In their inheritance, they received all these coffee plantations that had just been taken away from them, and I prophesied it was going to be coming back. And before the weekend was over they had full ownership of the plantations again.

SID: I imagine everyone was listening intently to your words after that.

JOAN: Yes.

SID: But here’s the amazing thing. Heaven is drawing so close to Earth right now, that if people would just begin to prophesy, I think many people, everyone can prophesy, many people that will start prophesying will move like prophets just because of where we are in history. That’s my thought.

JOAN: Everything is on acceleration, which is true. And the thing is, is like the word “coffee” really didn’t mean anything to me. But just remember, the word is not for you, it’s for you to give it to somebody else.

SID: Now one of the things that you teach is if you want to start somewhere prophesying, start with Scripture. Explain that.

JOAN: Just get in front of the mirror and start prophesying. What areas of your life do you need more help? Do you need help in the area of finances? Deuteronomy 1:11, “Today God is going to make you a thousand times more numerous than he already blessed you just like he promised you.” That’s awesome.

SID: Excuse me. I don’t think people caught that right now. Do you know what she is doing? She’s prophesying from the most certain prophesy the world has ever known, the written Word of the Living God. No wonder she has such confidence. I just want to make sure they’re catching it because what she’s doing it’s easy for you to do.

JOAN: That’s right. God wants to point to you as an example of his incredible wealth, of his favor and kindness in all he’s done for you through Christ Jesus. Everybody wants to hear that word. Number one, you just heard it. Number 2, it’s Ephesians 2, Verse 7. See, and God points to me as an example of his incredible wealth. Broke, I’m not broke. Praise God. Not because of the quarters on the ground either. But God once pointed to me and said, incredible wealth, favor. I have favor. I have favor with the supernatural. I have favor wherever I go. And he wants to point to me because everything that he has done for me, he has healed me from the top of my head, soles of my feet, healed me in my heart, given me a brand new heart, had an echocardiogram earlier this year. The doctor was absolutely amazed. He says, “I have never seen such a strong heart and strong heartbeat, especially somebody your age.” I have a new heart.

SID: You know what, Joan, right at this moment, I know some people that need some new hearts.

JOAN: New hearts, yes.

SID: That are watching us right now. I believe that Joan is going to prophesy, and this is a whosoever. If you’re a whosoever that needs this word from the written words of the Living God, it is yours. Do you need a new heart? Do you need your blood pressure reduced? Do you need your arteries unclogged? Time for Roto-Rooter.

JOAN: That’s right.

SID: Prophesy.

JOAN: Okay. Father, right now in the name of Jesus, I send the word of healing as the people are putting their hand on their heart. I send the word of healing for not only physical hearts, but emotional hearts. As mine has been completely healed, broken heart syndrome, gone. Father, I speak all the trauma to go, the stress to go, all the heartache, betrayal, every bit of it to go right now in Jesus’ name. And Father, right now, in the name of Jesus, we send the word of healing into every single physical heart. I command the blood pressure to return to normal, all the arteries to open up, Holy Ghost Roto-Rooter treatment. And Father, I speak, there’s somebody that’s got a problem in the left side of your heart that it’s actually currently painful. Father, right now in the name of Jesus, I speak that side of the heart to be released. Some of you have had strokes and heart attacks. Father, right now in the name of Jesus, I command the effect of all of that to go in Jesus’ name. There’s a lot of stress that has brought a lot of this on, even stress over finances. So Father, right now in the name of Jesus, the effect of stress on these bodies, I command it to be gone in Jesus’ name, I speak peace over their finances. I speak supernatural breakthrough in every area of their lives in Jesus’ name. Amen.

SID: Now I just heard two words as you were speaking. I heard there were people with back problems, you are healed. Neck problems, you are healed. And there’s some growths under your hair, they’re gone in Jesus’ name. Pray for an impartation, freely you’ve received, freely give a prophesy.

JOAN: Father, right now in the name of Jesus, I send the Word and the Anointing through the cameras right now Jesus’ name that they’re going to receive the knowledge, the wisdom, the revelation that has gone forth today, that they can prophesy. So Father, in the name of Jesus, we send a supernatural anointing and impartation of the prophetic in Jesus’ name.

SID: I believe your ears are open to a new level of anointing, a new place in the Spirit. Stop looking back. Press on. It’s a new beginning. It’s a breakthrough for you right now. Go for it. Go for the gold.

SID: The year 2000 was one over thick year for you. I mean, Joan went through a devastating divorce. Her husband went into the gay life. She’s responsible for her children. In 2000, she hit bottom, financially. Nothing. In addition to everything else, she develops cancer. Tell me about that.

JOAN: That’s a lot to put in about a minute. But yes, it was an absolutely horrible time in my life. Two days after the divorce, I was diagnosed with breast cancer. It taught me how to get healed and whole. And I went after God because the doctors gave me no hope. The CPA gave me no hope. The counselors gave me no hope. They said there’s no way you’re going to recover. And it was such a devastating time in my life. And so I would go before God and just say, “God, I can live without a breast, but I can’t live with a broken heart.” So I went after God to heal my heart and heal me of broken heart syndrome. And long story short, God healed me of worry, betrayal, abandonment, worry, I know I said it more than once, but it needs to be repeated ten times because I was worried what was going on. How would I ever make it if anything ever happened? And when I got free of all of that in my heart, I went back to talk to the oncologist, now what do we do? And so in the process of two hours on the examining table, they looked everywhere, left side, right side, everywhere, up, down, in between, on my back, everywhere that they could look and the cancer was gone.

SID: If God had not revealed to you what to do, how to handle it, do you believe you’d be here today?

JOAN: No.

SID: Give me an example of how you prophesied to yourself.

JOAN: I’m laying on the table and I’m thinking, I have four good reasons to live: Charity, Spice, Melody and Abigail, my girls. And as I’m laying there and I’m like, no, I’m going to live and not die, and I’m going to share the works of the Lord, today I choose life. And I started prophesying over my life that I’m going to live and not die, and declare the works of the Lord. I am healed.

SID: Do you say it with a vengeance or do you say, I’m going to live and not die. How do you say it? Give me an example of how you said it to yourself.

JOAN: I said it, I said, actually I went, “Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Wake up!”

SID: So you did it with an attitude.

JOAN: I had attitude in my faith and my mouth into alignment. No, I’m going to live and not die and do the works of the Lord. Now when I’m praying for people with cancer and they say, [mumbling], I say, oh no. I want you to say this: “I’m going to live. I choose life until I believe it.”

SID: Tell someone with cancer right now to do that, right now.

JOAN: Right now, I am prophesying over you that today is your day of turnaround. Today is your day for giving your cancer an eviction notice. It’s trespassing on God’s property and you are going to live and not die, and live to declare the works of the Lord. Hallelujah. Say, I receive. I receive. Repeat. I’m going to live and not die and declare the works of the Lord. I choose life. God is speaking to you. He’s speaking it to you in church services, as you’re listening. God, what should I give, whether in church, whether it’s supernatural. God is speaking to you and you can hear him say whatever amount he tells you.

SID: And you know what? When I think it’s God, I do it just in case. I don’t want to miss God. Do you? Tell me about the quarter you found.

JOAN: This is so exciting. I love this. And God speaks to natural things and he’ll give you a prophetic word. So when you have something happen in the natural, say, God, you want to speak to me about this. And but the other day I’m going through the security, and I’m on my way to Haiti and there’s a TSA agent like right there fully loaded with everything, all the badges and everything. And she’s right there. And so I look down. Right behind her is a quarter and I’m like, argh, there’s a quarter. It’s not a penny, it’s a quarter. I don’t need a quarter. I’m not broke by any means. But it’s just a fun thing to do. So I go down a little bit further and then there’s a penny. I thought, well at least I got a penny. It’s not a quarter, but at least I got a penny. I wasn’t going to mess with her. Can you see that I want to get the quarter? I’m not going to do that. So in a few minutes, literally in a matter of moments, they say, “Everybody stop.” Well if somebody says that and they’re an authority at the airport, your hands go up, yes, okay, I’m good. I’m not reaching for anything. Yes. They said, “All of you have to go back through.” So we went back through and she had moved. And I walked there and I thought, that quarter is mine. I was so excited that the quarter was mine. So I of course picked it up for fun, which is once again for fun. So I’m walking to the gate and I said, “God, what are you telling me?” Now this is for you, too. What are you telling me with that quarter and with the situation? He says, “There are many things that are hid from you, many things that you can’t get because of barriers, because sometimes you can’t even see them. There’s a blockage. There’s a dam, so to speak. But some of you could see, maybe an inheritance that had been stolen, inheritances that have been withheld from you.” He says, “But I’m clearing the way so that anything that you have lost, whether you know it or not, is going to come back to you. Inheritances are going to come to you.”

SID: If you will only believe all things including inheritances are yours. One word from God could result in a million dollars. In fact, Joan did this at a meeting and it resulted in many millions of dollars. We’ll be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest Joan Hunter has opened her mouth and said one word and this one word has resulted in millions of dollars. Can I have her open her mouth for you now? I always love to have Joan Hunter as a guest because I go beyond Joan. I knew the Happy Hunters. Your parents literally had over a million healing miracles. They had, they used to call it healing explosions.

JOAN: Healing explosions.

SID: All over the world. I mean, it almost seemed the older they got, the more hunger they had to see the miraculous, and you had that same. You’re building on their shoulders. You’ve been in ministry, what, 45 years?

JOAN: Forty-five years now. Hard to believe.

SID: So for those that don’t know you and your parents, tell me one miracle that comes to mind.

JOAN: Oh that’s really hard. But in regards to the overseas trips, I remember being with them in Bogota, Colombia, and all of a sudden, all these wheelchairs started coming up to the platform. To see all these coming it’s like, it was just like they kept passing them forward and there would be another row of them being passed forward. It was like, these people need their wheelchairs. No they don’t. I mean, just so many incredible things have happened and to see the millions of people that got the baptism of the Holy Spirit, millions of people that got saved.

SID: By the way, we need that again. You told me there is an increase of the supernatural all around you.

JOAN: All around, all around. Okay. Yes, where I’m concerned, I’m going into, I mean, incredible, incredible miracles are happening. I’m like shocked if somebody is not healed, and it’s like—

SID: Did you hear that?

JOAN: And what’s so awesome is that I pray and God has given me so many incredible words in regards to the area of healing that I lock the healings.

SID: That’s all part of prophecy.

JOAN: Yes it is. And it’s like I prophesy everybody in the room is going to get healed, and pretty much 99 percent of everybody, everybody in the room, are immediately they get healed. It’s absolutely amazing. Fibromyalgia, doctors can’t treat it. Cancer, cancers are falling off, all kinds of important things.

SID: Tell me something fresh. Tell me a miracle that’s recently happened.

JOAN: We’re going to dance all over the platform, on this one here. But I was recently in Arizona, and this lady came up to me, she had a 3000-pound piece of equipment fall on her head over 20 years ago. I can’t believe she’s alive. But what happened is this fell on her, it crushed all of the discs in her neck, busted a bunch of her vertebrae, then it went down in her neck, then it went down and destroyed a lot of her vertebrae and discs in her back. In addition to that, there was so much pain and pressure that it caused her head to actually compress. I don’t know how she survived. I really have no clue how she survived. And so I prayed for her and I put my hands on her neck. She didn’t have a C-curve, which is a natural thing you’re supposed to have. So I put my hands on her neck and I said, “In the name of Jesus, I command her C-curve to come back. I command all of the vertebrae in the neck and discs to be restored, and in the back, height to be restored.” Because if you get compressed you shrink. So she grew like three inches in front of me. Everybody around was going, wow! But her head had compressed. So I said, “In the name of Jesus, I command this head to return to the proper size.” And it went [brrr] right in my hands. That was awesome. That was, you can’t describe what happened to me.

SID: And you know what? That’s just the beginning.

JOAN: I know.

SID: We’re moving, I believe we’re moving into such creative miracles. Everyone knows about Joan Hunter’s healing ministry and miracle ministry. But when did this prophesying start?

JOAN: I’ve been actually prophesying for probably 15, 20 years, maybe even longer than that, not really knowing what it was. I would just hear something and I’m like, do you have a shoulder problem, which, yes, is the word of knowledge, but it’s still hearing, and all these different things, and it was just developing hearing the voice of God.

SID: You told me that your parents, as much as they knew, as experienced as they were, were in awe over the gift that God had given you.

JOAN: That’s because they have experienced the abuse of the prophetic. Like somebody walks up to you and says, “God told me that you’re to give me a computer.” No. No.

SID: I’ve had that happen.

JOAN: I have, too. And I go, “When God tells me to give you the computer, I’ll give you the computer.”

SID: The first few times I didn’t know that, and I just gave it.

JOAN: I’ve had, I don’t care. But it’s kind of funny. But 30, 40 years ago, people were really abusing it. And so it kind of got put on the shelf in the Christian world. And now God, over the last ten years, is bringing it back up, recognizing the prophets, recognizing the apostles, recognizing just plain, not just prophecy from the prophets, but honoring prophecy one on one.

SID: Well the fact is the average believer thinks that’s just for the fivefold gifted people, the people on TV, the superstars. But you say it’s not only for everyone, but it’s simple.

JOAN: And see, and that’s the prophet rather than prophesying. There’s a difference. A prophet is called to the nations. It’s called to the churches, whereas coming to prophesying, longing, desiring to prophesy is going to the grocery store and prophesying over that. And it’s like, I prayed, God, if you’re real, send somebody to give me a Word today, and that’s you. And that’s you. What an amazing opportunity we have here to speak on behalf of God, to share.

SID: You get pretty excited about that, don’t you?

JOAN: I get excited.

SID: I can’t think of anything more exciting than hearing God’s voice and being used by him. And the fact is it’s for everyone. Now when we come back, you’re going to find out how by understanding how to prophesy, which is for everyone, not only saved Joan’s life, but someday may save a loved one’s life. We’ll be right back.

Sid: I’m speaking to Gary Carpenter at his office in Tulsa, Oklahoma and Gary an Engineer by training truck driver he got saved in 1980. Then about a decade later he wandered into Dave Roberson’s church in Tulsa, Oklahoma and God just arrested him and told him to…well he didn’t tell him to do this but he understood that he must pray in unknown tongues to release the mysteries within him so that he could perform what God had called him from the foundation of this earth to do. And He had been almost floundering for that decade and so what he decided to do was to pray 10 hours a day in tongues while he was driving his truck.  And sure enough after that first session he had a clear visitation from the Lord. And then on February 1994 an audible voice from God called him into full time ministry he was disobedient and for the next 10 months and as a result the door was open for the devil because he was out of God’s will so the devil had a free shot at him and he almost died on December 4^th 1994 but he came to his senses he went into full time ministry God performed a miracle and healed him. And however he was still disobedient and God said “I’m giving you 3 scriptures say them over and over again for what was it 4 hours Gary.

Gary: For 4 hours a day.

Sid: You didn’t do it you almost starved because you weren’t working and you didn’t have money you had over $25,000 in debt. So finally you started doing this and what happened.

Gary: It’s funny I don’t know what it is with me and 10 months but about 10 months later I was doing everything but obeying Him about speaking those verses out loud my mind just could not figure out how that would help anything. Just speaking those words into the air how could that change anything? But the instructions were very clear after 10 months I had nothing to lose the way I describe the way we were at that moment it was like my toes were hanging off the edge of a chasm looking into a bottomless pit of bankruptcy there was just nothing else to lose.  So finally I decided I better obey Him.  Now I don’t know if anybody has every tried this saying just 3 verses saying them out loud over and over again for 4 hours.

Sid: It’s a very difficult thing it sounds simple but the body does rebel the mind does rebel.

Gary: It was the hardest thing, it was took me…those first hours seemed like 3 days I just couldn’t get over how difficult this was. Plus my mind was assaulting me with “This ignorance, this is foolishness, nothing will come of this.” But again I had nothing to lose (Laughing) so I did it. And you would think in those 4 hours I can’t describe to you how difficult it was to make it and I was hoping that the heavens would open and an angel or something would appear and Jesus would ride up on a white horse and would be financially delivered.  But I got to tell you at the end of that 4 hours there was absolutely nothing. Well that was Day l I did it again the next day Day 2.

Sid: For those that are tuning in for the first time what were the four scriptures…the 3 scriptures?

Gary: It was Psalms 34:10 and 2^nd Corinthians 8:9 and Philippians 4:19. And I just said those over and over. Well Week 1 goes by with very little change, Month 1 goes by and I’m still doing it every day with very little change. It was several months I wish I had kept better records I’m thinking maybe 4 months. Looking back at it now I can teach very well what was happening during that 4 months.  It says “Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.” I had been raised in a denomination that engrained in me from a child that if you’re going to have God you also had to be poor. And even though my head didn’t believe that any more my heart still did. And what God was doing looking back on this whole process in hindsight He was taking His word and by me speaking it over and over again He was renewing my mind into believing what the Bible says and not what I had been taught in the denomination. After several months of doing that one day I don’t know how to describe this this is the best way I know how to try something somehow on the inside of me I stepped over some kind of line. And suddenly I knew that God was not a God who loves poverty, He was not a God who likes lack, suddenly I knew that as long as I sought the Lord I myself would not lack any good thing. Suddenly something changed deeper than the mind, something in my spirit crossed over the line and I came home that day with the fire in my eyes and I told my wife I said “We don’t live there anymore.”   And what I meant by there was in the kind of situation we had been in for so long.  And I got to tell you Sid you can mark it on a calendar that was the bottom of our roller coaster ride when it comes to finances. Suddenly my mind and my spirit was open to understanding more about our God and His true nature and the Holy Spirit began teaching me. But then came even more difficult instruction.

Sid: It sounded pretty difficult I mean I know people are saying “What’s so difficult saying 3 scriptures for 4 hours.” I know it’s difficult what’s so difficult is praying in tongues for 10 hours a day I know it’s difficult.

Gary: That’s right.

Sid: But you’re telling me even more difficult what was that?

Gary: Well I tell people all the time you know that when they first hear Dave’s message on praying a lot in other tongues most of them come to the prayer center with the same they say the same thing they say “Well my problem is I can’t hear God.”  But after they’re there for a while and if they do the message they’re going to have a bigger problem than that and there problem is going to be “Oh my God I’m hearing God and You’re not going to believe what He’s telling me.”

Sid:  And I don’t want to do what He’s telling me although it’s the best thing in the world for you and your peanut brain doesn’t realize it.

Gary: (Laughing)

Sid: So what did He tell you to do next?

Gary:  Well and again I have to for the sake of time as He began giving us instructions to teach the word of God and of course we made tapes now. Now by the way when we began our entire equipment for Gary Carpenter Ministries was a 20 year old Panasonic tape recorder and a $10 bill that was our entire assets.  Well as I began to teach I would tape those recordings onto cassette tape and people began asking for the copies of those tapes. Now here’s where His instructions come in now again this is what He told me and I’m not telling everybody this this is what He told me. He says now “Number l: don’t take up any offerings from these people.  Number 2:”

Sid: Can you picture a carnal believer hearing something like that?

Gary: I didn’t believe I was hearing something like that.

Sid: Ah.

Gary: (Laughing) I didn’t know any ministry that operated like this. He also said “When you give them copies of the tapes do not charge them for the tapes give them away free. He says “When you start mailing out tapes” And again I was thinking just these few tapes that we were ministering to at the time he said “Don’t put a return envelope in the package.” And I’m going my Lord can it get any worse?

Sid: What you’re telling me is God’s putting you in a position where if He doesn’t come through you starve.

Gary: Absolutely and He was intending that you know things are very clear with 20/20 hindsight.

Sid: Of course.

Gary: I see what He was doing now He got me in a position where I had to learn how He functions in the earth when it comes to Kingdom finances.  And it was not like I was taught in the prosperity message and it was not like anybody around me had taught me I had no pattern.

Sid: Tell me how long it took you once you had this revelation to get out of $25,000 in debt?

Gary: Oh from the day when I walked in where I was different I believe it was not more than 60 days we were out of debt.

Sid: You’re not asking for money you’re not even sending an envelope. Do you realize that you’re doing everything wrong the fundraisers would pull their hair out over you.

Gary: I know and the last instruction was the worst one. He says “Oh never let a human being every know any of your needs.”

Sid: Oi vey!

Gary: Because I am your source and if you will precisely obey these instructions of mine I will speak to the hearts of the people I choose to support you and the needs of the ministry.

Sid: How long ago was this?

Gary: That was in 1995.

Sid: Has He?

Gary: Has abundantly, He has abundantly.

Sid: Just out of curiosity how did you get out of debt so fast?

Gary: (Laughing)

Sid: I know that it was supernatural but how?

Gary: And again I kind of hesitate and again people says “Well that’s the way He’ll get me out of debt and He has infinite ways of dealing with every person.” In our particular case we owned a rent house for 13 years and the people had remained there the same family had been there the girls had grown-up in that rent house we had wanted to sell it many times but this faithful little family was there and we just couldn’t bring it to tell them well move we want to sell the house. Well now I see it as God’s grace because right about that time they called me and they said “Our daughters have gotten to the place we have to have more bathrooms than this house has we hate to tell you this but we’re going to move.” And I was very nice to them but on the inside I was going “Praise the Name of Jesus (Laughing). And to make a long story short again we sold the house. The proceeds from that house by the way when we walked away from the closing I brought that check home and laid it down beside our debt and the debts were $70.00 more than the check that I had brought home from the closing. And I just thought “That can’t be God because…

Sid: It sounds like a mistake (Laughing).

Gary: “He’s a God of more than enough.” This cannot be right so I hesitated on what to do for a few hours the mailman ran that day in the mail we got a check for $80. I put the $70 with the closing, the check from the closing we paid off every debt that day put it in the mail. We had $10 left I took my wife out to get hamburgers and we celebrated.

Sid:  This week we’re going to clear up some mysteries that should not be mysteries to you anymore. I have on the telephone Gary Carpenter I’m speaking to him at his office in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And Gary got saved in 1980’s God immediately in the Word of Faith teaching it did not work for him until in the early 90’s he began attending Dave Roberson’s church in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  And Dave the first time made it clear as to why it’s so important to pray hours in unknown tongues and how the ministry God has for you is being stopped and blocked, the revelation knowledge the direction. And it can all be unclogged by praying in unknown tongues.  And so Gary was a truck driver and after really analyzing this he decided the Lord told him…well did you decide or the Lord tell you to pray in tongues all of the hours that you were in a truck?

Gary: No that was my decision after listening to Pastor Dave and reviewing and analyzing all of the verses and checking them out for 6 months I came to that decision on my own.

Sid: So he began to pray in tongues 10 hours a day.  And on February 1994 he heard people say “Oh I wish I heard that from God.” But he heard almost an audible if not an audible voice say “I call you to full time work for Me” instead of the world.  And this is your last run quit your job and come work for me. But pragmatic Gary he’s got an engineering background and what do you expect? And he did not do this for 10 months and then on December 4^th 1994 he’s in a cold foggy night in Arkansas he’s in the truck and he pulls off the road he could hardly breathe what was going on Gary?

Gary: Well I am normally a very healthy person I had never had any kind of heart problems in my life but on that night in Arkansas the road was so foggy I decided I was going to have to get off the road it just wasn’t safe to keep traveling. I pulled into a rest area parked the truck for the night and was preparing to get a night’s sleep and then leave the next day. All of a sudden I could not get my breath I couldn’t breathe I remember  I was sitting in the driver’s seat of the trunk I opened the door and turned sideways facing the open door just so I could get some air.  And apparently what happened I blacked out I have no remembrance of the fall. But you know those truck cabs are pretty high and apparently I was unconscious I blacked out and fell and without being awake or conscious I didn’t block my fall with my arms or anything and I landed right on the top of my head right on the asphalt.

Sid: Woo.

Gary: Well I laid there for 6 hours on icy asphalt pavement on a foggy night in Arkansas and thank God it was so foggy because and no traffic was moving in that rest area because the way I fell I was about half out into the street.

Sid: Now you made the point on your yesterday’s broadcast and for those that are listening for the first time you have to reinforce this you said that “This wasn’t God’s form of punishment for not obeying His voice what was it?”

Gary: See the Good Shepherd was leading into ministry that was His call for Gary Carpenter and He had already told me 10 months earlier to the day by the way February 4^th He told me and this was December 4^th almost the same place in Arkansas by the way (Laughing).  And He had told me to come you know follow Him in the ministry to go to work for Him that’s the path that the shepherd was leading the sheep but the sheep refused to go down that path. I was going off on some side trail on my own. Well you know the thief is out there that’s where the wolves are there’s no safety for the sheep if he on purpose goes away from the path where the shepherd is leading. The Psalmist said “Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.” Well I’ve learned it’s best to stay within rod and staff length (Laughing).

Sid:  Hm.

Gary: You need to follow the shepherd close enough you know to be in His protection so it wasn’t God that did that to me but by my own disobedience to…I mean it was nothing about what if…nothing about His instructions that I did not understand. I understood what he had told me to do but I was just not obeying Him.  He protected and covered for 10 months but eventually I got myself out there far enough where the wolf had a shot at me. And I’m convinced he devil was intending to take my life that night I landed right on my head. The next morning the trucks started coming you know the fog was lifting and the trucks were beginning to move and I’m still unconscious on the payment I laid there for 6 hours. The first one around thank God he didn’t run over me but he stopped and him and some other truckers come over and they CB’d they radioed for an ambulance an ambulance came and they put me in it and they took me to the hospital.  I vaguely had some recollection I was sort of in and out of consciousness at that time. They notified my wife and my daughter who came down to the hospital in Arkansas. But I came very close to dying Sid for 2 days I was just in and out of consciousness I’d be awake for a few minutes and I’d drift off again. When I finally came to enough to where my mind was working and I could understand what had happened almost the first words out of my mouth to my wife that I have come to a conclusion I think it would be best if I obeyed God (Laughing).

Sid: Okay thanks so actually what was wrong with you physically?

Gary:  Well that’s another interesting thing that the little hospital in Arkansas did all they could but their diagnostic equipment was not very very modern.  So they never really you know find the source of the problem that wasn’t discovered until I come back to Tulsa.  And to make a long story short they called in supraventricular tachycardia.

Sid: Sounds bad to me.

Gary: Yeah and what that is it’s the opposite of arrhythmia. Arrhythmia is when your heart misses a beat now and then supraventricular tachycardia is where it does a super beat every so often. That in itself is not dangerous but when you start getting a sequence of those all at once like boom boom boom then it vacates the heart of blood and you black out.  And that’s what had happened to me and that’s a pretty dangerous thing for a truck driver as you could imagine.

Sid: Do still have that condition?

Gary: Well no what was interesting too they told me too that condition is always genetic.  I come from a very large family and no one on either side of my family in history has ever had supraventricular tachycardia. So I knew that this was just a blatant attack by the devil. They put me on medication after they discovered what it was that regulated my heart beat and again because of the time factor and they just tell you and of course Pastor Dave prayed for me several times and over a 2 year period again since I had learned to hear the voice of the Lord the Lord weaned me off of that heart medicine a little at a time a little at a time.  I took the last dose of it in May of 1998 I’ve never had another symptom since.

Sid: Question.

Gary: Yes Sir.

Sid: How did you learn to hear the voice of the Lord?

Gary: Primarily through those long hours of praying in other tongues. The whole relationship changed. We started off Monday talking about starting off in the word of faith movement.

Sid: Yes.

Gary: Now the difference was I was coming into intimate contact with the Lord where He was giving me His mind for my life.  See I kind of again whether they intended it or not I kind of had the impression when I was in the word of faith movement that faith is great but it was mainly to get me what I wanted in this life.

Sid: To make you a millionaire?

Gary: Or whatever you know rich, famous or…

Sid: Who would say no to that?

Gary: Give me a giant ministry or whatever it was that you wanted you know but what I found out was if you’ll spend that time in fellowship with the Holy Spirit He brings you in personal contact with the Lord Jesus Christ and you start finding out what He wants for your life. And I started to find out hay it’s best to follow Him.

Sid: Okay you come to your senses 10 months later you almost die, the devil tries to knock you out and then you say “Okay God I’m all Yours.” And now you’re in full time ministry no income you’ve quit your job.  Not only that you have plastic debt credit card debt up around $25,000 did you starve?

Gary: Well I have to admit it was pretty rough in the beginning but would you like to know the reason why?

Sid: Why?

Gary: My continued disobedience (Laughing).

Sid: My goodness would you learn? (Laughing) Where were you disobedient?

Gary: Now aren’t you glad you had me on your program? (Laughing) a great man of faith you know.

Sid: We’re learning a lot I think it’s going to be so…I know you’re teasing me Gary.

Gary: But not really I’m not Sue and I tell people once they every see us in person one thing they find out right away we are as plain as dirt.  We are just your average people with the extraordinary God. And we give people great hope everywhere we go because it doesn’t take them long to realize if God can use Gary and Sue he can use me (Laughing).

Sid: Hm. So I mean you owe this money so did you almost starve?

Gary: Well it was very rough we got behind on everything. See He gave me some more instructions and now that I had firmly decided that we’re taking Step l then instructions for Step 2 came and it’s not at all what I expected. I felt a little bit like Peter must have felt when the Lord told him to go fishing and take up the coin in the fish’s mouth. It is what He said to me made no sense Sid. He gave me 3 verses and His instructions to me He said “I want you to walk the floor and speak out loud with your mouth these 3 verses for 4 hours a day.”

Sid: What were they?

Gary: Psalms 34:10 which is “The young lions do suffer and lack but those that seek the Lord shall not want any good thing.”  And 2^nd Corinthians 8:9 “For we know the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ though he was rich yet for your sakes He became poor that you through His poverty might be rich.” And the 3^rd one was a very familiar one Philippians 4:19 “My God shall supply all of your need according to His riches in Glory by Christ Jesus.”  Now again His voice was very clear that’s the difference when you start pray a lot in other tongues you start hearing His instructions to you it’s not just formula it’s a relationship now.  And I understood what He said, I understood those 3 verses that He wanted me to say them out loud with my mouth for 4 hours a day.  Now the question is did I do that?  No here’s my continued disobedience I did not do it.

Sid: Now had you followed instructions what would have happened?

Gary: Well I know what would have happened because again roughly 10 months later I did start obeying those instructions and I know what happened.

Sid: What?

Gary: Sure enough at that point my mind after…

Sid: Oh we’re out of time Mishpochah come on back tomorrow.