It's Supernatural

Sid: My guest you can’t help but get red hot for the Messiah when you listen to my 88 year young guest Francis Hunter. Who Francis and her husband Charles have probably seen more miracles then anyone on planet earth because it’s not just under their ministry and God has healed many people under their ministry. But they equip others to lay hands on the sick and to walk in the supernatural of God. Francis why is it that there seems to be a fight for Christian’s to walk in the supernatural? I mean the hottest churches today are seeker sensitive and they don’t want to messy with the supernatural. Why is that?

Francis: I have absolutely no idea; I have absolutely no idea what so ever. Because the church came in on the day of Pentecost and it came in with fire from Heaven. And when Jesus comes back for His church He’s not going to come back for the dead churches. He’s going to come back for a church of Pentecost where the fires are really burning. And that’s why I really believe that there is such an emphasis today on healing and why God is increasing His healing power so much because it’s the miracles that will cause people to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. So many people need a sign or something they can actually see before they will say “Well I think that Jesus is real.” Can I tell you it’s not a miracle it’s a lot of miracles, can I tell you that?

Sid: Please.

Francis: It all happened at the same time; we were down in South America in Bogota, Columbia.

Sid: I’ve been to Bogota.

Francis: Oh you have!

Sid: I have but go ahead.

Francis:   Alright, and we had a Healing Service in the morning but we had trained 1500 people down there how to lay hands on the sick and see them recover. But the crowd was bigger outside then it was in the inside. We were in a soccer field so they asked us if we could do a piggyback, so we said “Yes.” So as soon as the first one let out then they field the soccer field up the second time with a crowd. And the Pastor came over and he said “In the first service you let the people you had trained lay hands on the sick and the miracles were incredible.” But he said “This time I would like for you to lay hands on the people in wheelchairs.” And there were over 100 people in wheelchairs over a 100 of them. And you know down in South America they don’t have Blue Cross Blue Shield Medicare or anything like that and so if you’re crippled you’re just crippled you have to depend on God. So we walked off the stairs and I looked at Charles and I said “Honey if God’s not in this we’re in a mess.” So we walked down; now remember this is a Spanish speaking audience so we can’t say “Now where’s your problem where’s your hurt and all of that.” All I could think about was the little Spanish I know which is “Reciba su sanidad en el Nombre de Jesús.” That means “Receive your healing in the Name of Jesus.” So we walked up to the first man and we said that to him and then we said “levantarse” because I remember that word which means get up, and “caminar” which means walk. And here we’d gone to this man that was so crippled and his legs are all bent; his arm, his whole body was just unbelievably crippled and he got right up and walked! And I said to Charles “He must have not been as sick as I thought he was.” So we went to the second one and we thought that “If this works let’s go it again.” So we said exactly the same thing in Spanish and this man got right up out of his wheelchair and started to walk.   Sixteen of them in a row Sid got out of wheelchairs 16 of these horribly crippled people. When I got to the 17^th person he didn’t move. (Laughing) Here you had 16 get out of wheelchairs and then there’s number 17 and he didn’t move an inch. But what do you do? You go on to number 18 but before we finished there were over 100 people got out of wheelchairs. But the funny part is there is 2 really interesting parts here. There was a black man there who nobody remembers seeing; nobody knew who he was but as soon as they got out of the wheelchair he took them to the center of the floor to let them practice walking and then as soon as the next one came out he was right back there and took them out 3^rd, 4^th, all of the way around with us and the last 20 that we got to before we got to them they got out of their wheelchairs and ran up to us and said “Lay hands on us before the power runs out.” And they didn’t even know they had been healed.

Sid: I need you to say something; I need you to say that you are not a special, special person; that you have a special God and that each one of us can operate in that type of anointing.

Francis: All of you can operate all of you can do exactly the same thing. All of you because it’s not Charles and Francis Hunter; it’s not Benny Hinn; it’s not any of the big healing ministries that you know today. It wasn’t Oral Roberts when he was in his prime it’s the power of God and the Name of Jesus. You see Jesus is just looking for believers who will believe enough that they can lay hands on the sick and see them recover. That’s all He wants; He just wants ordinary people; there are no stars in the Christian world today; it’s all the believers who are out there doing these incredible things.

Sid: Alright what about if someone were to ready your book “How to Heal the Sick” get all charged up and the first 5 people that they hands on and pray for the people do not get healed; what would you say to them?

Francis: Go on to number 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11. (Laughing) You see the first person that I ever laid hands on died.

Sid: Oi vey! (Laughing) You could have…your whole ministry could have been aborted with that; you know that Francis.

Francis: Right, but you see I kept on and I said “God if 500 of them die I’m going to find another 500.” But I will say this my success rate has changed slightly since then. No, if the first ones don’t get healed don’t give up keep on going until you get somebody healed. Once you get somebody healed you’ll never stop, you’ll never stop again. And don’t worry I mean it takes practice, you know doctors spend years studying to be doctors. And so if we’re going to lay hands on the sick we have to sometimes spend a little time; go back and read the book “How to Heal the Sick” over again. Look and see if there was something that you missed that you should have done and then do it again. Now sometimes when we lay hands on people they don’t get healed the first time then we do something else. And if it doesn’t work we’ll maybe do the pelvic thing on; and then we’ll do the leg thing; and then maybe do something else. But we keep going until we have success.

Sid: You just don’t give up do you?

Francis: No we don’t give up.

Sid: And I think that’s the only way someone can lose.

Francis: That’s right.

Sid: Francis, what’s your favorite scripture?

Francis: “Those who believe shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.”

Sid: Now I notice something in the Bible you don’t push sprinkling someone with oil, anointing them with oil much; why’s that?

Francis: Well, you see in the Old Testament oil represented the Holy Spirit, but in the New Testament we receive the power of the Holy Spirit so you don’t need oil. See oil was the substitute in the Old Testament.

Sid: Now another thing you say which is very different than what I hear people say is that when you pray for people you tell people to keep their mouth shut. Why? Not to be praying, why don’t you want somebody praying when you’re praying for them?

Francis: Because they can’t listen to what I’m saying. And I’ll tell you something else we do not pray for the sick. Jesus never prayed for the sick, He healed them. Did you notice when I prayed on the other programs I said “I command this, I command…” That’s what Jesus said; He said “I command this to happen; He sent His word and healed them.”

Sid: I know some pastors that say “You can’t command.” What would you say to them?”

Francis:   I’d say (Laughing) I’d say “Well, read the Bible.” That’s what I would suggest. Because if you noticed Jesus never prayed for the sick, He commanded, He spoke the healing.

Sid: It’s really authority issue isn’t it.

Francis: It’s an authority issue, you either know who you are in Christ or you don’t. Because once you know who you are in Christ, once you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus the Son of the living God lives on the inside of you. Once you have that firmly established in your mind then you’ll be able to speak with authority because you’ll know that it’s Jesus in you. I have to tell you a funny story, 2 days after I was saved I was running to my printing company; I had a big printing company at that time. And my heart was beating real fast and I looked down at it and I said “Jesus, that’s not my heart that’s Yours, You’re living in me.” And you know that’s the thing that really changed my life forever. When you know beyond a shadow of doubt that Jesus lives in you it’s not Jesus way up in heaven it’s Jesus living inside you. And knowing that whenever you put your hand out to lay it on somebody it’s not your hand it’s the hand of Jesus and the power of the Holy Ghost.

Sid: And one more thing you don’t get the credit with they’re healed and you don’t take the blame if they don’t receive their healing.

Francis: Right. But I mean that we always see that people give all the glory and all of the praise to God.

Sid: Francis, thank you so much for being a guest.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is another Jewish man that is red hot for the Messiah Dr. Bob Fischer. I’m speaking to him at his home in Tiberias, Israel. And we are excited to be making available for the very first time a special DVD that Bod has done. It’s called “The Jewish Origins of Christianity.” He has got the most beautiful art work in this DVD, pictures from Israel. And then he got permission from various organizations of artifacts of antiquity backing up all the things about the Jewish roots of Christianity. You see there is something missing; haven’t you felt there must be something more? Well it has evolved to 21^st century America Christianity is so different than what we read about in the New Testament. What was that first church like; what were those original believer’s like? We have found out that they are a group of people that few people have ever even heard of or if they’ve heard of it they don’t know anything about these Essenes. But now that we have uncovered these Dead Sea Scrolls we’re getting insights into their teaching; we’re understanding why so many Jewish people believed in Jesus at His first coming. This course shows why Jewish people today are just basically they’re the Pharisees that we read about in the New Testament. Because the Pharisees became what was known as the Rabbinic Judaism of today. But the Essenes are what the first Jewish believers; what they thought about the Messiah; but Bob let’s go into a bit about the Dead Sea and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Bob: I’m fascinated by the Dead Sea because it was a double blessing from God to Israel. On the very eve when Israel became a State in 1948 the first Dead Sea Scrolls were offered for sale by an Arab merchant. I think this is fascinating because God was basically speaking again the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant. He was giving us an intimate knowledge of Himself and at the same time He was giving us back the land. I think that this is so exciting for a Jew who believes in Yeshua; who lives in Israel as an Israeli citizen this just gladdens my heart more than I can say. You see what He was doing was giving us enormous material wealth. The salt of the Dead Sea; the metals; the magnesium. There’s enough magnesium in the Dead Sea to meet the needs of the world for 25,000 years. The total value of the minerals of the Dead Sea is to be 4 times the total wealth of the entire wealth of the United States of America. Fascinating, and at the same time these Dead Sea Scrolls are a mirror image of all virtual, virtually all of the phenomenal doctrine of theology that we cling to within our religion called Christianity. It’s fascinating.

Sid: Bob, what would you say is the great contribution of the Dead Sea Scrolls?

Bob: Well Sid Doctor Florentino Garcia Martinez that is probably the leading Dead Sea scholars sums it up very well and I’m going to quote him. He says “The great contribution of the Qumran manuscripts is the following:

“They have revealed to us the Jewish background against which to draw and to which to insert and from which were developed the figure of Jesus Christ and His message as well as early Christianity. In broad terms I would say that the Dead Sea Scrolls do not explain Christianity does but they help us to know the Judaism from which Christianity was born. It is a Judaism which is very different and much richer and more varied and pluralistic than we could have imagined from the message reflected in the Rabbinical that we’re used to comparing Christianity.”

Sid: And you know the thing that is so amazing to me Bob is that when we say the term Judaism we think of Jews today; which is an evolved state. But when we understand what the Dead Sea reveals and the New Testament reveals it is such a different Judaism. Just as Christianity is such a different Christianity. Do you think the thing that we’ll ever really go that full circle as you put it?

Bob: I’m praying that it will because the Dead Sea Scrolls do teach us about this unique form of Judaism from which Christianity emerged. And they teach us about the first century Nazarene Essenes who were the authors of these extensive writings and the pre-Christian form of Judaism they reflect. Now we can become intimately acquainted with these Nazarene Essenes through parallel teachings of the Old and New Testaments and secular and church historians and the Dead Sea Scrolls. You know I really find that in short these writings merged the hope in the Messiah King, and a Messiah Priest, and a Prophet like Moses, and a suffering Servant, and a Shoot from the Stump of Jesse, and even a heavenly Messiah. And to one undeniable historical person Yeshua who is return they were expecting in the eschatological future. It’s just amazing what we find in this treasure chest that was found in these 11 different caves and in…

Sid: You know something I never understood is why is it taking so long to get… I mean there are still many scrolls that we don’t know what’s in there?

Bob: It’s really a pathetic thing; you know it’s one of the saddest commentaries of our time that there are many different secular and church organizations involved in this process Who in fact there are many scrolls that were found that were missing more than likely that are still being hidden away in the hope of material gain at some time in the future. There’s precious little working together in cooperation; you know there was something like 800 manuscripts out of 1500 or so that were found to be valued that have any real value. And 375 of these 800 were potentially important. And 175 of these haven’t even been translated yet; they’ve only been studied superficially. It’s such a sad commentary that these people are not coordinating with one another. And really the sadder commentary is that it seems that the Church and the secular world beyond doesn’t seem to care. There unconcerned, they’re disinterested in this tragedy but even so what little is available to us in terms of numbers of scrolls we’ve learned a number an enormous amount of things. It is indeed a treasure chest.

Sid: You know something just caught my eye in the notes where you talk about the Biblical Jewish Feasts and how closely they were related to the events and the life of Yeshua. And it’s really kind of brilliant the way you put this. Let me read this “Yeshua was conceived during Hanukkah, the Feast of Lights. Yeshua was born on the first day of Sukkot, circumcised on the eighth day of this Feast. Yeshua was crucified and Resurrected on Pesach, or Passover. And the promised Holy Spirit was given on Shavuot or Pentecost.” That’s so rational and logical and yet all of this has been pulled out.

Bob: It has its just disappeared and it’s really a shame. There’s so much that has been suppressed by the church because you know the church doesn’t understand its Jewish roots. If the church understood its Jewish roots they’d be out celebrating the feasts; they’d be keeping the Resurrection of our Lord on Pasach; they wouldn’t be keeping it on a pagan holiday that was a fertility goddess’s birthday they’d be keeping it on the 14^th of Nissan, but they’re not. It’s such a very sad commentary there’s such a richness in Judaism in Old Testament Judaism as we see so rooted in Hasidic Judaism and the Dead Sea Scrolls but it’s bypassed. It’s bypassed because of this pernicious process of de-Judization that we’ve been talking about that really began with Constantine; and then later with the church fathers. And then modern days this process ended up you know in the holocaust when people had been trying to wipe us off the face of the earth and kill our precious Jewish religion forever.

Sid: Now let’s take the average Gentile Christian that’s been raised not many, not even knowing that Yeshua is Jewish, or Jesus is Jewish. What will this course do for them?

Bob: This course will show them in deed first of all that Yeshua Jesus was a Jew. That He was born a Jew, and that He was raised as a Jew, and that He worked as a Jew, that He lived as a Jew, that He died as a Jew, and that He was resurrected as a Jew. I very carefully document this with scripture and with history to show the pervasive Jewishness of Yeshua. That’s the first thing that they’ll learn about Yeshua. And they’ll see Yeshua written all over the Old Testament. You’ll see Yeshua prophesied; you’ll see Him in Isaiah 53; and Psalm 22 and so forth and so on. And the exciting thing is that you’ll see Him all over the Dead Sea Scrolls. What we have is a continuum here of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Apocrypha writings, the Old Testament, the New Testament that all say the same thing that God began something in the Garden of Eden this process of the redemption of mankind. And that process will end one of these days when Yeshua comes back again.

Sid: Why is this not taught in every Bible College in the world?

Bob: That’s something that’s a real mystery to me. You know I taught this in a class at Faith Seminary some years ago. And my Dean Mike Adams who I dearly love came to me and after class and he said “Bob” he said, “Why didn’t they teach me this in seminary?” And I said to Mike I said “You know why didn’t you teach me?” Oh, the fact of the matter is this whole Jewish roots movement is just coming into fruition.

SID: So Jim, why do you feel or believe that Jewish people are disproportionately blessed compared to the average society?

JIM: I love to tell a story that a friend of mine tells and told me. He said, “You know, I have a Jewish CPA.” He says, “I went in one time to the office of the CPA and I said, ‘You have Christians and Jewish people, right, as your clients.'” He said, “Absolutely.” He said, “Who makes more money? Jewish people or Christians?” And he laughed and said, “Jewish people of course, 10 to 1.” And my friends says, “Well that’s interesting. What is the difference? What makes it so different for the Jewish people?” He said, he picks a Bible off of his desk and he picks it up and he says, “You see this Bible?” My friend says, “Yes.” And he says, “You Christians read the back of the book, but all the financial principles are in the front of the book.”

SID: I like that.

JIM: And so what I’ve learned, I work with families, I work with kids and teenagers, and relationships, is that if you want success in your life, all success builds around not knowledge, but relationship. But there is knowledge that takes you to the heart of the relationship that causes that financial or supernatural breakthrough to happen. In most of what I have found, see listen, the Old Testament is simply the New Testament concealed. The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.

SID: All right. But wait a second. If the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed, what would you say to someone that says, well it’s shorter. I’ll just stick with this. I’m not going to read the front of the book, as you call it.

JIM: Absolutely.

SID: What would you say to them?

JIM: This is what I would say. You went to school, right, and you had a math class, or let’s say a language arts class, and they gave you a book to read, and you say, you know what? I don’t want to read the whole book. I’m just going to read the last chapter. Well you read the last chapter and that’s where all the drama is. That’s where all the excitement is. But you’re not going to know who characters are. You’re not going see all the beautiful relationships that led them to that place. You’re only going to see the end result, but you’re not going to see any of the journey that it took to get there. And how many times as believers we only want the end result, especially in America. We want fast food God, is what we want. We want instant gratification. We want instant healing. All we want is a Santa Claus, if you want to be honest. But God says it’s not about the end result. It’s about the journey along the way. There’s a reason why it took the Israelites 40 years of tribulation. It’s because they still had Egypt inside of them. He wanted to get it out. It’s all about the journey. And the front of the book, as I like to call it, or the Old Testament, is where the journey begins. That’s the depth. And the Hebrew is the depth. The relationships that we have, almost every problem I have ever seen in marriage or business success, or lack of success can be traced back to an ancient principle that they don’t know.

SID: You know, I wish I had some of the principles that Jim teaches. For instance, you talk about relationship problems, not just relationship in marriage, not just relationship with children, not just relationship with employees, not just relationship with employers, not just the relationship with fellow students. And they’re so simple that if anyone follows these biblical secrets, if you will, that they weren’t meant to be secrets, but they are to most Christians, believe it or not, because they don’t read, as Jim recalls, the front part of the book. For instance, Jim, one of these principles like — this is a tough one — don’t defend yourself.

JIM: Listen, we love to defend ourselves. Deep down we’re all Greeks. Okay. And Greeks love philosophy and they love debate. And when you get two people together, listen, at some point they’re going to offend one another. Let’s just be real. But when deep relationship or success comes out, how do you handle it, not how do you avoid it. You can’t avoid conflict. I’m eventually going to step on your toes if I’m around long enough. But it’s how we deal with that conflict that determines whether or not we’re going to be successful. So here’s one of the principles. Don’t defend yourself. What I see especially in marriage relationships, but it happens in business relationships just as much, is that a husband is real good at offending his wife. We’re really good. And we do it accidentally. That’s how good we are. But what happens is the wife—

SID: I didn’t hear any men laughing.

JIM: Nobody laughed here. But a wife or the other person that’s offended will explain emotionally how they’re offended. And what happens is the other person will begin to defend what they meant. But see, to the person that was offended, it doesn’t matter how you meant it. What matters is they’re hurt. And so here’s a biblical principle. Moses, when God says, “I’m going to destroy the Israelites,” Moses does not defend the actions of the people. He gets into the heart of God. This is what, the only time in the Bible that this happens. But Moses gets into the heart of Yahweh and says, “Yahweh, intellectually you’re right. You have a right to destroy these people for what they did. They’ve just broken your holy word and so on, and so forth.” But he says, “Remember that you love them, that these are your people that you promised inheritance.” So he gets into the emotional part of Yahweh and in the most incredible way, the Father now, the seedbed, the soil has been prepared and He remembers His covenant, and then He chooses to forgive them. So here’s a parable in the New Testament to connect it. Remember when Yeshua, Jesus, gives the parable of the seeds, right. He says, you got rocky soil, good soil. You got concrete, you got Walmart parking lot over here. Here’s what we do, especially men. We love truth and we love to take our seeds, [then] back up to our wife with a dump truck and dump truck all of the truth on that person, or your employer, or whoever it is. But what if it’s concrete? You see, if you don’t prepare the soil first, they’re not going to hear a word that you say. And I have discovered, especially in marriage counseling that women understand the soil. Men do not understand the soil. So what we’ve got to do is we’ve got to get into the soil and prepare it. So when someone is offended, here’s the key. This is what you need to tell them, those that are offended: “I understand how you feel. If I was you I probably would feel the exact same thing. I am so sorry that I offended. Would you please forgive me.” Now when you’re saying that, you’re saying that, sometimes and you’re actually intellectually or factually right that they didn’t, they took you wrong. But it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter right or wrong. That’s another principle. Right or wrong does not matter when it comes to making restoration happen. You’ve got to set the soil, get into the heart. And once that heart is prepared, then you can say, “You know when I said that, this is what I really meant,” and she’ll hear it.

SID: You know, Jim, these principles will supernaturally change any relationship. Do you think if people follow these supernatural principles that any relationship is hopeless?

JIM: This isn’t even a guess. We have people from all over the world that have sent us testimonies. We’ve had wives that have gotten the series and some of the teachings that I do, and forced their husbands to sit down and watch it, buckle them into the couch, you know, and took the remote away. And three hours later, they’re crying in repentance and the relationship is restored. We’ve had business owners that have been in arguments with their partners on the brink of divorce, if you will, from their partnership, and watch this, supernaturally change their marriage and totally restore their relationship between their partner. It is not because these are, you know, just any kind of principles. These are God principles. This is the way of life we’re supposed to connect with people from these ancient principles that started with Genesis all the way through Revelation. There’s two critical components that everybody must know about success. You have to have the heart in relationship. No doubt about it. Some people are pretty good at that. This other part is critical as well. You’ve got to have the right instructions. It’s not enough to have the heart.

SID: And guess what? What is the name, what does the word “Torah” mean?

JIM: It means instructions.

SID: You’ve got to have the right instructions and you have to make Jesus your Messiah and Lord.

JIM: Amen.

SID: Otherwise I feel sorry for you.

Sid: The One New Man is God’s plan for the full presence of God to be released by the church and devil it will be your worst nightmare. My guest understands the One New Man, his name is Jim Staley. Jim I am so intrigued on the revelations that you talk about from the ancient Hebrew alphabet that I mean God has so much wisdom that even in the letter of the alphabet in the words there are entire secret codes. Tell me one of your favorites.

Jim: No doubt about it my favorite by far is the word Torah. Now let me back up just a second so your listeners can understand what we’re talking about. In every letter of the Hebrew alphabet was originally done in hieroglyphic form or pictograph, just like ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics were in pictures. And so before they evolved into the modern Hebrew they were pictures that’s the way that they did it. And so…

Sid: Was that similar to the Chinese language?

Jim: Yes, there you go very similar; in fact the Chinese language and the pictograph came from the original Hebrew, we know this now.

Sid: So what does that mean to you? Does that mean whoever designed the Chinese alphabet knew a lot about the Jewish culture?

Jim: No, what it means is that they came from that Hebrew culture from the tower of Babel this is where these concepts got split. So you see this beautiful Hebrew pictograph showing up in other languages all over the world and it goes all the way back to when God spread them out all over the world. But my favorite one is a word called Torah. Now in English that means instructions it doesn’t mean law but it means instructions of God. And there’s 4 letters to the word Torah, it’s Tav Vav Resh Hey and although you can’t see it pictorially here’s what they mean….

Sid: Yeah, but of course with the 4 DVDs we’re offering they’ll be able to see this but go ahead.

Jim: Absolutely, the letter Tav is the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet there’s 22 letters and its original pictograph get this is a cross. It literally is a cross like a little plus sign and what it meant was covenant; that’s what it meant. The letter Vav was the picture of a nail which meant a nail or to connect something with a nail. The letter Resh was a picture of a Head of a man; and it meant literally a Head or the beginning of something like Rosh Hashanah is the head of the New Year; the Jewish New Year. And the last letter is the letter Hey which is one of my favorite ones because it’s a little guy jumping up and down and it means “Reveal the hold or the revelation.” And so if you take the word Torah, which is the instructions of God; which by the way that’s what the Messiah was; He was the Word made flesh. So this is what makes this so exciting; and you go through the meanings of each letter. The word Torah actually means “The Covenant of the nail connects the Head of revelation; the covenant of the nail is the Head of revelation.” What’s more exciting is when you read it backwards because God is front and backwards and backwards and forward. When you read it backwards its “Revealed is the Head of the nail Covenant.” And who is the Head of the nail Covenant?” But Jesus; Yeshua Himself is the Word of God. This is why Jesus said to the Pharisees “If you have not read the Torah you have not known about me because Moses wrote about me; I AM the Torah; the word made flesh.”

Sid: So what would you say to a Christian that says “I am no longer under the law, therefore I ignore the Old Testament” What would you say?”

Jim: Well that would be really difficult for a disciple of Jesus, of Yeshua, to accept that statement because Timothy in the Book of Timothy it says “All scripture is worthy of instruction; is God breathed and worthy for ways of righteousness; walking in His ways.” And here’s a big key; when that was written there was no Christian Church the way that it is today and there was no New Testament. So the only scriptures they could have been referring to are the only scriptures that they considered the scriptures that they use. Which is what we call the Old Testament; the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed. And the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.   If we miss the Old Testament theology and the power that our disciples knew grew and loved we will miss what they wrote about. Because the entire framework from what they wrote was from that perspective.

Sid: Well when Paul says “We’re no longer under the law.” What did that mean?”

Jim: Very simply that was an idiomatic expression again that we look at and we look at it very literal that we’re not under something. Now American’s don’t like to be under anything because we don’t like to be told what to do; that’s our whole story of breaking from Great Britain. But the truth is it actually is a legal term that means you’re no longer under the penalty of the law. It means the same thing in a legal court system today when you are under the law that means you’ve broken the law or your charged with breaking the law and your under the jurisdiction of the whatever law that you broke. So because we all have sinned which according to 1 John 3:4 says “Sin is the transgression of the law” or breaking of the Torah; when you sin you’re under the law; under the curse that the law brings when you break it. That’s why we need a Savior; so He sent His only begotten Son Jesus Yeshua and paid for the penalty of our breaking the law; so that the curse could be lifted and God’s people could actually do what God said, but be free from the condemnation when they make mistakes. And that condemnation was never taken away until Jesus nailed that condemnation and all those tickets, if you will, to the tree.

Sid: So what does an American Christian that never opens the Old Testament except for perhaps to a few Psalms and a couple of Proverbs; what are they going to be deficient in in your opinion?

Jim: Well here’s a good example my daughters 16 and she’s just about to get her driver’s license and she has 2 choices. She can either take the test and not study for it whatsoever and not read the manual and by that case she will do fairly well maybe because I’ve taught her; her mom has spent some time with her and she’s done a little bit of experience on her own. But the reality is if she studies the manual, the instructor that’s sitting right next to her is going to be far more pleased because she took the time to read the manual and she discovered which way to turn her wheel whenever she’s on a curb and she’s parked on the side of hill and so on and so forth. She’ll know what the signs are. So we as Christians when we want to know what the power of God is; we want the blessings of God; well the entire Bible is chalked full of here’s how you get the blessings but they’re virtually always conditional. Here are the blessings IF you stay and remain faithful to your spouse you’ll be blessed; there’s always an IF-THEN. And so as we understand the front of the book and everything that God wrote in the driver’s manual if you will, we’re going to better be able to navigate life and we’re going to get all of the blessings. We may not get in so many car accidents.

Sid: What difference has it made in your life understanding the Hebrew scriptures?

Jim: Everything, matter of fact I really feel like and we really get this statement a lot in our ministry. People come in and within a few short weeks they say “Man, I don’t know anything; I feel like I just got saved.” Literally over and over again people say like “I feel like I’ve been reawakened; there’s a fire that’s burning in me and it all begins to make sense now; everything that I ever thought is being challenged and now I realize that I’ve disconnected myself from the roots of my faith and we’re trying to grow a tree when we’ve completely cut it off from the roots.” So when we go back and we understand the Bible from the original root; guess what the root does? It taps into the water supply that brings life to the rest of the tree. And so today in my personal life it’s changed everything; my marriage, my…

Sid: How did it affect your marriage?

Jim: Well let me give you one of the supernatural ancient keys that I found in the scriptures that it seems to be so simple but it’s so difficult to put into practice. But it not only helped me in my own marriage but it’s helped people that are single, that are divorced; that are in business relation… this goes with any relationship. And it’s this one it’s one of my most difficult ones to do, but it’s one of the most powerful. It’s number 7 on our list of 10, and you get in the DVD series; and it’s called “Do Not Defend Yourself.” And there’s several times in the Old Testament….

Sid: Now you realize that humans are not wired that way; we are wired to protect ourselves. (Laughing)

Jim: Yes, we are and it’s so difficult and listen the name of our ministry is “Passion for Truth Ministries.” And we didn’t choose that for nothing we love the truth; and when I hear something that’s not true my first inkling is to defend myself. And this is the biggest mistake that I see in relationships hands down is that people defend themselves in a conflict and that is the worst thing that you can do. So when someone comes to you and their offended or they’ve got issues and your boss comes to you and their upset; the worst thing you can do is defend yourself. The best thing you can do is not say a word; be like Job and listen until they’re completely done; don’t say a word and even if they’re wrong you don’t defend yourself; you will ask them a question and I go through these in detail to help people understand it there is a real magical supernatural formula through conflict that you can win every conflict. I mean win by restoring and letting God bless you incredibly by following these principles.

Sid: So what is better? To win the debate or to have a marriage made in heaven? Have a relationship with your employer where you are the most favored person there? Have a relationship with your classmates? I’m telling you you know Jim I wish I knew these before I became a believer. I wish I knew these after I became a believer; the fact is very few people understand this. But these 4 DVD’s in the “Shalom in the Home.” I really would like to change that to “How to bring every Blessing, the favor, the success for every relationship in your life.” And let’s face it relationships; what makes the world go around; and then when you show these ancient codes and the ancient Hebrew language if someone’s on the edge of becoming a believer…have you ever show these to nonbelievers? I mean with believers they go wild over these ancient codes but how about a non-believer? Have you ever used this?

Jim: We have as a matter of fact I think it was during…I was teaching the power of the ancient Hebrew alphabet and there was an atheist; a 15 year old atheist who was also a homosexual; whose face was painted white. And within a couple of weeks he completely got saved and his number 1 thing that he said “I never seen the depths of God’s word before; I grew up my parents were Christians, but I rebelled but this is real and it was just real to him and he gave his life to Christ.

Sid: My guest Dr. Cindy Trimm believes that there are such wounding in peoples souls that it’s stopping us from fulfilling our potential. I guess you’ve wondered why you keep walking around in this big circle and you’re not hearing from God; you’re not walking in supernatural peace; you’re not walking in the gifts of the Spirit. Could it be that there are some soul wounds; this 40 day “Soul Fast Curriculum” it’s actually a kit where Dr. Cindy Trimm is going to coach you every day for 40 days on the DVD’s and 2 books and the study guide… Cindy teach today a bit about my favorite subject the power of love.

Cindy: I love the book of Corinthians how it explains what love is and it explains what the world needs now is really love; and this the greatest expression of God Himself because that’s who God is. God… love is not just an emotion; love is the person of Jesus Christ and that was the gift that God gave each one of us. And He proved His love, love gives, love feeds, love rejoices in truth, love believes all things, hopes all things and endures all things. And it starts with how God feels about us as His children; and I think that that’s the greatest subject of all.  

Sid: Cindy give me an example of someone that has sat under your teaching for love and how it’s impacted their life.

Cindy: Yes, my sister sent me an email a couple of days ago and which really touched me and it was of a woman who had an assignment. She went back to college and her professor gave her an assignment and actually the whole class an assignment and said you know “The next week I want you to smile at least 3 people a day and see what kind of response that you get.” One of the most profound and impactful responses that she got happened while she was standing in one of the fast food restaurants. She noticed that people were beginning to move and had unkind and unpleasant look on their face and she turned around and she smelled something very profound and she looked and there were 2 homeless men and one of them obviously had a walking problem and was being helped by the other. And she said that her tendency would have been to move as well but she remembered her assignment and she just smiled at them. And she smiled back, and she had a prompting to do more than smile and ask them what they wanted and she treated them to breakfast and she went a step further. She not only treated them to breakfast but she sat down and touched one of the hands of the gentleman that was struggling and she looked and there was a tear that run down his eye as he thanked her profusely and said that this is a first time in a long time someone had ever touched him with a touch of compassion and kindness. To me we each have within ourselves to be doers of the word and not just hearers only. I believe that it may not be just a physical touch but every time we smile or treat someone with dignity or treat someone with compassion we are actually touching them with the love of God. And the touch is at the level of their soul; we can feel it.

Sid: Could you talk about an issue in your life and how God set you free.

Cindy: Absolutely, when I grew up in a single parent home; my father abandoned us. I think I was about 2 years old when I tell this story; I didn’t know how deeply it impacted me because I was always… I don’t know I had high aspirations and pushed beyond my circumstances and situations. When I got saved it was a challenge for me to embrace the love of God as He was bestowing it upon me as He was my heavenly Father because at a subconscious level I had transferred the issues of abandonment to how I related to God as my heavenly Father. I could embrace Him as my creator, I could embrace Him as my deliverer, my healer, but not as the heavenly Father that supplied all of my needs according to His riches in glory. God had to gently help me to trust Him as my heavenly Father who supplies all of my needs and that was a healing process that God gave me and I didn’t even know that that was something that I needed healing in until God revealed it to me. And so you know going back with the 40 Day Fast it’s going to be a time of revelation to you. Things that are suppressed the way that we conduct our spiritual life; the way that we view God sometimes has a lot to do with how our natural parents treated us, or in my case did not treat us.

Sid: Cindy, you talk about the need to belong; will you teach on that.

Cindy: Yes we are born with the need to bond; the need to belong. It’s a part of who we are and that is one of the phenomenon’s of gangs because if they can’t find it legitimately within their homes or within their society they’re going to go outside and attach themselves to other individuals. And I believe that what God is doing now is extending to us an opportunity to really understand what it means to belong to the family of God. And what it really means to be loved by God; even a baby if it’s not loved and held; if it’s not bonding with its mother it can fail to thrive. And so that bonding it’s giving to us by God and those of us that didn’t get it in our first family we can get it in our new family which is the family of God.

Sid: Your teaching is really practical step by step. What is the feedback you’re getting from the people that are sitting under these “Forty Day Fast?”

Cindy: We’re getting a lot of positive feedback because the book is written from a Biblical perspective. It’s all Bible, it’s all word and it’s giving people an opportunity to see the Bible as more than just an ancient book, or a book that only has relevance to get us to heaven. People now are viewing the Bible as a practical book; a practical God breathed Bible that has principles that they can apply to their everyday life. It is a book that has wisdom; and wisdom is the science of skillful living. And people now are finding that their love for reading the word of God and being able to garner the practical applications that is necessary for them not only to find a way to get to heaven but to have heaven here on earth. And that’s what I love about this book and how God empowered me to write it. The Bible is just practical.

Sid: Cindy, why is it that people seem to keep returning to the same soulish entanglement over and over and over they just can’t change the pattern.

Cindy: The word of God has made a difference in my life. I have seen how God has actually changed a very destiny of my family; where there was so much pain in our lives from abandonment and living in shame based environment; growing up as one of their only families that were a single family. Most people in my neighborhood had both parents; we were one of the only ones that were single parent. And there was a lot of shame associated with that. Now I can hold my head up high knowing that I don’t have to live as a spiritual orphan; that God has accepted me in His family but not only accepted me but He can accept everyone that is listening that can maybe suffering from a spirit of an orphan. God has accepted you into the bigger family and that’s the family of God.

Sid: Well I sense by the Spirit of God that you can pray for people that feel unloved; feel like an orphan. And actually have lived like an orphan; would you pray for them.

Cindy: Our Father and God I thank you that you are our Heavenly Father and just from my own life I know the struggle that it was and to be able to fully embrace the fact that I am a part of a bigger family and that You’re family. And that You are my heavenly father; and as I pray for those that maybe listening that maybe suffer from abandonment or betrayal or suffer from the pain of being adopted of being abandoned by both parents and had to live with people that never birthed them and suffered from the abuse of people that didn’t know their true worth and dignity. I pray that you would heal their hearts and that you would heal every individual that is listening today. Let Your love be felt and embrace them; and let them sense oh God that they have something to live for.   Break the spirit of an orphan off of them; release them from the shame and the pain and heal the holes in their soul’s and the feeling of emptiness and loneness in Jesus Name, Amen.