It's Supernatural

SID:Clarice, what happens in hell when we are stating, because we believe it, the opposite of God’s word?

CLARICE:That’s the difference between agreeing with God and agreeing with your circumstances. We either agree with our covenant with God, but when we begin to say, I’m sick, I’m oppressed, I’m down, I’m out, I’m weak, all of those negative things you release into the atmosphere an invitation. It’s like a scent that is released in hell of unbelief and all of hell says, “The sons of God say they’re sick, the sons of God say their children are in drugs and alcohol, the sons of God… And they have all power, so now we can be released to fulfill their words because hell has no power until the church speaks.” The word of the Lord is in you. We have all power, all authority and responsibility and privilege to agree with God. So what happens in hell? They can’t do anything until the redeemed say the negative. That’s why we have to agree with God.

SID:Now, how important is it for us to agree with God for heaven to impact earth?

CLARICE:The scripture says that, “Are the angels not ministering spirits sent forth from God to aid us who the heirs of salvation.” For when you and I speak the word of God, we agree with the truth of God to the degree that we comprehend it and understand it. Then the angel says, “We hear God speaking and the God lives in you and he’s coming at you.” You become a launching pad of the antidote to the antichrist. So what happens is that angels harken to perform the word of God that has spoken so you have superior air power. We are living in great days.SID:You mentioned a little earlier that we are a launching pad for God. Explain.

CLARICE:Well, the scripture says, “Out of your belly flows rivers.” Now, rivers by design flow away from themselves and that the word of God, it’s not a river, it’s rivers. So you and I release the word of God and it flows into the sea of humanity and that nothing happens until we speak. We are made in the image and the likeness of God and we can’t… God didn’t think us into existence. He didn’t just into existence. He said, “Light be, and light jumped up. There it is. But we are made in that image. So words, Jesus is the word of God made flesh. We are flesh being made into the word of God. You are a word from the mouth of God so you reflect and absorb glory as no other person does. So we release the infallible, inherent and awesome word of God. That’s being a launching pad.

SID:Why do you say a thought is the most significant and important thing we have?

CLARICE:Well, your thought life, it says, “whatsoever things are lovely, pure, truth, if they’d be virtuous, they’d be praised, think on these things.” So the thought life, you have to fill your brain with positive things, resist the negative. My mama used to say, “Honey, you can’t keep birds from flying over your head, but you can keep from nesting in your hair.” So you’ve got to understand those negative thoughts that just come out of nowhere, you’re thinking something that’s just crazy and then you need to say I resist that. And you fill your mind with positive thoughts because your thoughts are going to lead to your words, and your words are going to produce your action.

SID:Remember the story you told me about the oppressed woman walking towards you?

CLARICE:Oh, then that’s the declaration. See, I learned that from Kathryn Kuhlman. I was the oppressed woman walking toward her. And so this woman is coming and she’s obviously got serious problems. She weighed about 80 pounds and her hair was all gone and she was dressed poorly. She was in a mess. She was coming down the aisle and I said, “You come to me.” And she backed off and I said, “No, you come to me now. You come to me now.” And you have to encourage people. And she starts towards me. I said, “You are the righteousness of Christ. When I look at you, all I see is Jesus. You are the healed. You are the delivered. You are the prosperous. You are the beloved. You’re the apple of God’s eye.” And she kept walking toward me and walking toward me. And by the time she… Then I ran toward her, I grabbed her and put her in my arms and I said, “Say with me, I believe Jesus is the Son of God.” And she says, “I believe Jesus is the son of God.”See, sometimes your faith has to be infused into another person so that they can have the strength to walk in this. We impart. When Paul said, “Oh I long to be with you that I can impart to you a spiritual blessing that will equip you to the end.” And this woman was instantly changed. She got born again, baptized in the Holy Ghost and got free of drugs.

SID:I tell you what, you look at Clarice and you say, “She doesn’t… I can’t even relate to her. She doesn’t know what it’s like to have nothing, to be hopeless and in poverty.” You’re wrong.She’s been there. She pulled herself out and she says, “You can do it too.” Be right back.

SID: You know, Hakeem, there’s some people at home who are asking a question, is it ever too late to command your healing?

HAKEEM: It is never too late. Just like the woman with the issue of blood, she pressed her way, she said within herself, “If I just touch hem of his garment, I will be made whole.” So even though it was a 12-year issue, but she pressed her way and she received her breakthrough just by, not touching Jesus’ body, but touching his clothes. And his clothes were saturated with power and virtue.

SID: How important is it to be “healed” conscious?

HAKEEM: It’s very important because oftentimes we take ownership of our sickness. This is my cancer, this is my sickness. But no, we need to change our mentality and say, “I am healed conscious, that I am healed, by his stripes I am healed.” So we have to kind of change our thought process to think that we are, and believe that we are healed. So if you believe that you are healed, you will be healed. So it says, “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.”

So we have now on faith, then we have now healing. And we have now on faith, then we have now deliverance. So you have to just change your thought process and believe that you’re healed and you will be healed.

SID: And tell me about your assistant, who had cancer. Because there are many people watching us now in the studio audience or at home that are battling with cancer. I mean, I heard statistics the other day that were overpowering, what’s happening to people with cancer. So tell me about your assistant.

HAKEEM: Yeah, she had, actually, stage four cancer and when she got the diagnosis she would call us and just, well, “Can you pray? Can you pray?” And we would just pray. And every day she was calling. And I said, “Lord, we have to do something different. We have to do something radical.” So what we did was we basically went over to her house, and I’m talking about me and my twin brother, Naim. We went over to her house and we wanted to do something different. We laid hands on Arlene and we basically commanded and spoke to cancer and we told the cancer, “Today is your last day.” We said, “Today is your eviction notice.” We said, “Today you got to go. Her body is a temple of the Holy Spirit.”

And so we just basically evicted cancer out of her body and we began to command her body to be made whole. We command her white blood cells to be replenished. We began to just speak life to her. And right after that, maybe about three weeks later she called us and we thought she was going to call us to pray and say, “It’s still here.” What she did was she called us and said that the cancer is gone. There is no trace of it in her blood. I’m telling you right now by the power of the Holy Spirit, those who may be watching you may have some terminal illnesses, you may have cancer, you may have any blood disease, whatever it may be.

I come today to touch and agree with you and I say in Jesus’ name that cancer has to leave and it’s evicted out of your body. I command in Jesus’ name, oppression have to go. I command the spirit of infirmity, it has to go in Jesus’ name. I command oppression, depression, I’m telling disease you have to go in Jesus’ name. Today is your last day and today you will receive your breakthrough and your healing and I decree and declare that you will no longer suffer, but this is the season of freedom and liberty in Jesus’ mighty name.

SID: Real quick, I want you to command every condition that you can remember that you talked about on this show to leave the people right now.

HAKEEM: Yes, those who may have been bound to a wheelchair that’s watching right now, or you may have crutches or a cane. I command in Jesus’ name that you have mobility. I command your body to line up to the original plan and purpose that God has made your body. I say that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. I command your back to line up in Jesus’ name. I speak to your bones and I command your bones to be fixed in Jesus’ name, I command those who have fractured bones, even your jaw, or even in any area of your body. I command in Jesus’ name, the bone to be mended in Jesus’ name.

I even speak to any deaf or dumb spirit. I rebuke you in Jesus’ name and I command your hearing to come back 100% in Jesus’ name. I speak to you, even you bound to a chair, a wheelchair. I say do something you cannot do, like the man that was in the wheelchair. I command you to rise and take up your bed and walk in Jesus’ name. This is your day of breakthrough. This is your day of healing. This is your day, I command. This is the day of freedom in Jesus’ mighty name. No longer you’ll be bound, but I say today, rise and be faithful into what God has said over your life. In Jesus’ mighty name.

SID: And I command you to give praise and worship to the only one worth giving praise and worship to, the Lord. Hallelujah

SID: I’m here with Pastor Todd Smith on location right by the Jordan River. The exact spot where historically we’re told Jesus was baptized. You can’t get much better than that, Todd. Okay, I said it was the biggest misconception… I believe this misconception is so bad, that it has stopped you fulfilling your destiny and caused you to even question God when prayers were not answered. Explain that misconception.

TODD: Well, I believe a lot of us are living our lives contrary to Scripture. I believe because of the hyper grace message, that is doesn’t matter how we live–

SID: What do you mean by hyper grace?

TODD: That it really doesn’t matter how we live now, God accepts us just as we are. And there is an element of truth to that, that God does accept us just the way that we are.

SID: It’s truth out of proportion.

TODD: Exactly. We’re not talking about purity. We’re not talking about righteousness from the pulpits. We’re not talking about holy living. We’re not talking about abstaining from evil in our lives. We’ve opened up the church doors and embraced everything. So the church has filled our corridors and our hallways and our sanctuaries with a soft Gospel. It’s a Gospel of accommodation.

SID: Well you can’t have a mega church without that.

TODD: Well, we’ve become more seeker sensitive than we have Holy Spirit sensitive. We don’t want to offend anybody. We don’t want to deal with the tough issues. We don’t want to deal with personal holiness.

SID: If we don’t, who will? The politicians? Give me a break.

TODD: Yeah, so therefore it’s very difficult to find, in the culture, Christian and un-Christian. We just mingled these together.

SID: I want to take you back to that misconception that we’ll call, they don’t know Jesus sat down. What happens when people really capture this in their lives?

TODD: You know, in the book I wrote, He Sat Down, I’m reading the Scripture, Mark chapter 16, where Jesus says to his disciples, “Here’s what I need you to do. You’re going to take the Gospel to the world. You’re going to cast out devils, you’re going to lay hands on the sick. You’re going to speak in new tongues. And if you drink any deadly thing it’s not going to hurt you.” And then I read verse 19 where it says he ascended to heaven and he sat down. The Lord spoke to me and he said, “Todd, read that again.” I said, “Lord, you ascended to heaven and you sat down.” He said, “Read it again.” And he said, “Ascended to heaven and he sat down.” He said, “Todd what am I doing right now?” And I said, “Well according to this, you are seated. You’re sitting down.” And he says, “Exactly.” He says, “I am still sitting.”

And it dawned on me that right now Jesus is in heaven, he is sitting, and that means he has completed all of the work that he’s going to do on the earth in his flesh and bone body. And he said, “Todd, what I now do on the earth, I do through my body.” Everything, really 98 to 99% of all that God accomplishes on the earth, he does through his local body. Me, you, all of our viewing audience. What he accomplishes on the earth he does through us. And if we don’t do what he’s asked us to do, his work doesn’t get done.

SID: So many people misunderstand that. We’re here on location at the Jordan River, and when we come back, we’re going to show you footage of people on our tour group, because what happens… the special presence that Pastor Todd has, hits wherever people are being baptized, the fire comes. I personally have talked to people that have been baptized when he’s done this. I mean people with absolutely incurable diseases, which I might add, why do you go to such lengths to get things documented before you release things about major miracles? Why do you do that?

TODD: Because we know that the world is skeptical about when we say something that’s happened, that God did something. We want to medically document it so that we can prove to the world that Jesus still heals.

SID: I mean but this is actually ridiculous. 50 malignant stage 4 tumors in a PET scan I saw before my very eyes, and then she gets water baptized, and the next day takes a PET scan and I saw before my very eyes, all 50 tumors… where’d they go Todd?

TODD: The Lord took them completely out of her body.

SID: What happens when that fire hits the Jordan River at the exact spot Jesus was baptized in?

ADRIAN: I was in a place, likewise in a place of desperation in my life. It had its downs and its ups. But I got desperate, and I went back to what I knew as God, or Church. And I was memorizing the Nicene Creed. I use to ride a bike to work, so I was reasonably fit. I try to maintain that fitness now, but I was riding—

SID: You’re doing a whole lot better than me! [laughs] but go ahead.

ADRIAN: [laughs] so I would ride to work and on the way, I was memorizing the Nicene Creed, so the very God of Gods, light of lights, and so on. And one time I was riding home, and where there are just open fields, and basically on the highway, just going through these open fields, I heard the audible voice of God say to me, “I’m going to lead you to someone who’s going to further your Christian walk.”

SID: Excuse me, did you say audibly?

ADRIAN: Yes.

SID: That means, it sounded like me?

ADRIAN: Yes, I looked around.

SID: Okay, had you ever heard an audible voice of God before?

ADRIAN: No, never. Never, but I was so hungry. And I think that was the key. God responded to my hunger.

SID: But did God give? I always have to ask this question; the hunger came from God, or did it come from you? Was it the chicken, or the egg? No, I’m just teasing.

ADRIAN: And the answer is; yes. [laughs]

ADAM: [laughs]

SID: I think it all comes from God.

ADRIAN: Yes, Amen. So I guess he put a desire within me for more of him. He discovered himself to me, and so then I was hungry. I was trying to find God in a creed’ and then he said to me, “I’m going to lead you to someone. You’re scratching around, the surface, I’m going to take you deeper.” And that person introduced me to a Pentecostal Church where as soon as the worship started, I was just overcome. The presence of God; I knew that I was meant to be there.

SID: Speaking of the presence of God, you two gentleman realize there has been such an increase. The minute you started talking about your Visitation, it just kept getting stronger and stronger. Does God want to do anything right this moment? There’s such a nice Presence of God here. [laughs] I don’t want to miss anything.

ADAM: It is very strong. It’s a beautiful thing and we’ll see what the Lord does. I’ll see if he gives me some words of knowledge or maybe Adrian will get something. We’ll see what happens.

SID: Okay, Adrian, was this Church connected at all with Adam?

ADRIAN: We actually met there later on. That was in 1985; in 1988 we happened to be going to the same bible college together. And so, that of course, caused us to meet there. At which time, Adam was an artist. So prophetic, now he’s a prophet, and he also is an artist. So we often see the people who are very artsy to be prophetic because they’re capturing in vision from within.

SID: Well, you know your book here, “The Divinity Code” [music] to understand it, your dreams and visions; I’ve never heard of a book that is so inclusive. We’re talking about 3,000 metaphors, a dictionary of names and places. How did this book evolve?

ADRIAN: Well, Sid, that took us 5 years to put that together.

SID: I’m sure, I don’t know how you did it in even 5 years. [laughs] [music ends]

ADRIAN: And there were times in that, where we were in the tunnel still trying to see the light; at the end of that tunnel. And where the body of Christ would be in that place, or the Church would be in that place where it could accept what God was giving us through revelation, God was giving us.

SID: Why wouldn’t they accept it?

ADRIAN: Well, we were actually called heretics; heretics for our teaching, or for the revelation that we were bringing to the body of Christ. And so, it was yet to be unveiled to the body of Christ, particularly in Australia. In America, you had John Paul Jackson; you had some real pioneers that had done a lot of work.

ADAM: Yeah.

ADRIAN: In this area. But the revelation that God was giving us, was a burden that we felt—

SID: It was kind of new for Australia.

ADRIAN: Yes it was very new for Australia.

SID: I see.

ADRIAN: And Australia in some respects is conservative, particularly the town we come from.

ADAM: Yeah, and even though it’s all backed up by Scripture, it was outside of the box, and they really gave some grief. But we love them, we bless them. But it was a hard time. But one of the things I’m going to say that really opened up for America, for that book was a man called James Watt. He was the last remaining elder of the Latter Rain Revival. He’s passed away since, but he had and encounter. He had an encounter in Israel in ‘9two I think. And the Lord appeared to him and spoke to him. And said, “One of the keys to the end-time revival is dreams and visions.” So, he was so shaken by this encounter, he tried to find the right books. He couldn’t find anything—

SID: Mm.

SID: You know Jesse and we had a couple of meals with you and Amy. It’s hard to believe but at 14 you overdosed in drugs and alcohol, you’re rushed to the hospital. What did the doctors say about what was going on?

JESSE: Well, I came a half an hour away from death. It was a really close call. It was a miracle my father found me in time. See, I was raised in a Christian home, Sid.

SID: You told me you were running from the call of God.

JESSE: Yes. I was–

SID: Not walking, running.

JESSE: I was running. I was much like Jonah, I was running. I kept running, even after my overdose. I was in and out of jail, I was in and out of rehab. Twenty years old, Sid, I found myself in a jail cell. I told the Lord, “I surrender. Whatever you call me to do, I’m going to do it.” That was the greatest decision I ever made.

SID: The judge said, “I’ll tell you what. You can either go to prison or you can go this place called Teen Challenge.” You’re not a dummy, “I’ll go to Teen Challenge.”

JESSE: That’s exactly right.

SID: What did that do for you?

JESSE: After I got out of Teen Challenge, I went into a season of extended fasting and prayer. I just began to seek the Lord. Day after day I would pray in the Holy Spirit. I was really challenging myself. I would go into my prayer room and I would pray one hour. The next day I’d day I’d pray two hours, then three hours, four hours.

SID: What happened to you? Tell me some of your experiences.

JESSE: The Holy Spirit visited me and it was so strong, it was so powerful. The fire of God just came on me. I remember that fire coming in my hands. It felt like the love of God. It was the overwhelming, consuming fire of God’s love. I was just totally wrecked. I remember just crying out for souls and asking God to send me to the nations. And then I began to ask the Holy Spirit, “Teach me how to worship.” The Holy Spirit started teaching me about worship, and how to minister to the Lord, and how to just praise and worship the Lord. As I did, Sid, every day that I would go into my prayer room, the glory cloud would build more and more each day.

JESSE: One day in my prayer room I said, “Lord, I want all that you have.” I was so hungry, and I was desperate in this season of fasting and praying and just contending. I had this vision of this white cloud that came out of heaven, and it rolled over my body. I mean, it just … I was engulfed in this cloud. This encounter was so powerful, Sid, so intense, I told the Lord, I said, “Please make it stop. I just can’t handle anymore,” because I really felt like I was going to die in the presence of the Lord or be translated like Enoch.

SID: Amy, is that true? In the meantime, she’s got her own life going on. They weren’t married at the time, obviously. You’re pretty young, you’re 17. Your friends were, I guess, lovingly kidding you saying, “Calm down a little. You’re going too far with God.” Why were you going so far to the point where it intimidated them?

AMY: Well, I grew up in a small town, population 4,000 in Alabama. I didn’t really know anything about the supernatural or miracles. But I knew that there was something more, I knew that God had more for me and I was hungry. Hunger will take you places that nothing else can. I got filled with the Spirit when I was 17 years old. My friends were just … I was so hungry for souls I would go out and buy Bibles and give Bibles away. I was praying in the Holy Ghost and they didn’t know how to take that. Yeah, they said I was too saved is what they would call it.

SID: Tell me about the first time you were asked to speak at the church.

AMY: I was 17, I got filled with the Spirit. Within a month I was asked to speak at my church. I shared just what I knew, my testimony. Young people were coming forward to me weeping saying they had never felt God like that before. That’s when I knew that God had a call on my life to preach the gospel.

SID: This is happening to her, and she’s really pursuing God, and she finds out … actually, it was a miracle of God you found out you had a rare type of cancer.

AMY: Yes. Absolutely. Within a year after I was filled with the Spirit, I got diagnosed with cancer. The doctors actually said it was a one in a million chance that they would even find the cancer the way that they did. Although I didn’t know anything about divine healing, thank God for medical doctors because I believe God heals both ways. I actually became a cancer survivor, but I really felt that the enemy was attacking me in the very area that he had called me to, which was miracles.

SID: Not only did the devil try to take her out with cancer, she finds out her mother has terminal cancer, but she is a great woman of God, and her husband is a great man of God. It didn’t turn out the way they expected. But because of what the devil tried to do to her, because of what the devil did to her mother, they have a passion to get you free of any terminal disease, but especially the one that begins with a C. Be right back.