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SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. I’m with Pastor John Kilpatrick at the Mobile Convention Center in Mobile Bay and lightening has struck a second time. It’s so wonderful. How would you compare the difference between this move of God and the Brownsville-Pensacola move of God?

JOHN: Well revival basically is revival. It’s the same strain. It’s the same spirit. But what I would say makes this one different is the presence of God is it feels much the same. It’s like deja vu all over again, but the miracles are more numerous. And they’re not only more frequent, but I’d say magnitude, greater miracles that we’re seeing right now. And you know, I hadn’t been out really in the glory since Brownsville and while we’ve been here in this convention center I was out in the glory several times again.

SID: Just as he said that the glory has gotten so hard, so strong, so wonderful that I believe that you could pray for people to experience right now. Would you do that?

JOHN: Father, in the powerful name of Jesus I just speak, Lord, that the glory of God come in people’s homes, hotel rooms, hospital rooms, right where they are right now, that the weighty presence of the Lord will move in, that the heat of the healing presence of God would overshadow the sick right now, and Lord, that your presence would move in, strengthen your people, encourage your people, and Lord, revive your people in the powerful name of Jesus.

SID: There is a healing anointing connected with this particular move of God’s spirit. It is the same as Brownsville from the viewpoint of holiness and repentance, and soul, but the healing, the miracle anointing, I heard that people with pain of any kind like in the back, here, you’re from Missouri. I want you to prove me, right now. If you have a backache, bend over. If you don’t, don’t bend. Okay. But seriously, seriously, you have arthritis in your fingers and even ears are opening. This is a glorious anointing. But the last time I interviewed you, you had had an acronym of the word “resurrection”, of what was going to happen in the next three years. Now there’s two years left, and what you painted, what God showed you was a horrible picture for the United States of America of what’s about ready to happen, and I believe God showed you, he downloaded in your spirit how we will know mysteries. What did He say to you?

JOHN: The Lord showed me that in no uncertain terms that before his coming that he was gonna reveal mysteries. He said, “In Heaven there’ll be no mysteries. In Heaven everything will be completely revealed.” But before we get to Heaven, mysteries are not gonna do us any good if they remain mysteries. So his coming is close. So the Holy Spirit is in the process right now of revealing mysteries to His people, not just prophets, not just pastors or evangelists, but laypeople. God’s revealing mysteries, things that’s been locked up, things that’s had people stumped, things that’s been clogged. He’s just loosing. And people’s dreams.

SID: Wisdom for what to do with your children. You’ve got an impossible situation. What to do with your marriage. What to do about your finances. He’s gonna show, I’ve listened to his teaching that God downloaded. He is going to show exactly how to solve these horrific problems that are coming on Planet Earth.

JOHN: Well I believe that next year and the next year are going to be crucial years. I believe the church needs to get ready. I’ve never been a preacher that’s a doomsayer by any means. I try to move in faith. I always have preached faith and I’m a very optimistic person. But I believe the next two years are gonna be crucial. I would really recommend that people begin to put back some money, cash if they can, and to put back some food and water, and things like that. I’m not trying to make anybody nervous or afraid, but I believe that these next two years are gonna be that crucial economically and otherwise, that I think it’s wisdom to do that. Now the Lord didn’t tell me to tell people to do that. But I believe that it’s just wisdom to do that. Just today, I ordered food today, meals, you know, MRE type meals. I ordered some today, not only for my family, but for my staff, I ordered some to make sure that in case hard times come that we’re prepared.

SID: Now this maybe sound crazy to you, Pastor, but I believe that we are about ready to come into the greatest days of the move of God’s spirit on Planet Earth, and I believe that if you’re experiencing any fear you have to get closer to God, and He makes a promise to you. His promise is if you will draw close to Him I promise you, I can almost feel His passion for you right now. I promise you if you draw close to Me, I will draw close to you. And that is the answer. In fact, what you teach is that people have to move from being a servant to being a friend. And I think of Abraham. Abraham was a friend of God.

JOHN: The Bible says, “When two walk together accept to be agreed.” In other words, if you walk with the Lord He wants you to get out of that servant mentality. We have to have a servant spirit about us before we’re willing to serve people. But the Lord doesn’t want us to come to Him like a servant. He said, “I have not called you a servant. I called you friend.” And the Lord reveals his secrets to his friends. Servants take care of things. Servants serve, but friends, when you look at the Last Supper you see John with his head on Christ’s breast and you see his ear right up to his heart. And John is the one in his gospel, the Gospel of John, he’s the one that wrote the deepest of the gospels, and he’s also the one that recorded the Revelation.

SID: How would you like to be a friend of God? If you repent your sins, you tell Him you’re sorry, and you believe that Jesus washed away your sins, I know it sounds too good to be true, but it’s true, and you ask him to live inside of you, that is the doorway into the greatest adventure of your life. It’s time for you to walk on that adventure right now. Do something about it. You don’t need my words. You just need to be honest with God. Draw close to God and He promises to draw close to you.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here at the Mobile Convention Center. I heard that there was a move of God’s spirit here. And John, you know me. He was shepherded at the great Brownsville Revival in Pensacola, Florida, and I would go there because I like the presence of God. I mean, I’ve never been a drug addict. I’ve never been an alcoholic, so I can’t describe. I can’t compare. But I can tell you the presence of God, there is nothing this world has to offer compared to this. And the presence of God, John, came on this pastor’s wife who had for some 23 years had been confined to a wheelchair from an auto accident. She couldn’t walk. Her husband married her just nine years ago. He had never seen her walk.

JOHN: No. So when we was helping her walk and I was watching his face, and I mean, just a look came on his face like, oh my God. And then I saw tears jump out of his eyes. And so then I knew, I said, whoa, we’re looking at a miracle here. ‘Cause I didn’t know if she had any movement or any feelings at all, but I mean, she was totally paralyzed from the waist down. And then a week later she came back and walked essentially without any assistance. We just sort of maybe touched her little bit just to keep her balanced. But now, Sid, she’s actually, they’re leaving the wheelchair in the pastor’s office. She’s walking out to the church. She’s standing up singing and she’s walking out in the audience and praying for people. The woman is walking.

SID: Tell me, because I’ve never had you publicly tell me this, and I am fascinated by it, about the orthodox Jewish man that was dying, that came to the Brownsville Revival.

JOHN: He was diagnosed by his doctor with a brain tumor and was very sick. As a matter of fact when they brought him down to Pensacola he didn’t really get his doctor’s permission to come. He asked the doctor if he could come and he cursed, and he said no. And so he said, “Well am I dying?” And the doctor said, “Yes you are.” And he said, “Well, if I’m dying what damage could it cost me?” So they brought him down and he got there about 5:30 in the evening. And I remember meeting him. And he was so dizzy. He was throwing up ‘cause he had equilibrium problems and his eyes were going sideways like this in his head, sideways, ‘cause of the pressure on his optic nerves. And he was so sick he couldn’t even hardly greet me. I didn’t really think he was gonna be able to make it to 7:00 when this started, but he did. And so in revival back in those days when the glory of the Lord would come in the church, you’ve been out on a cloudy day and feel the sun come out on a cloudy day you can feel it on your exposed skin like the back of your hands, your ears, and all. We’d be at worship at Brownsville and it would feel like the sun would come out. And sure enough, that night–

SID: Well right now I feel a heavy, good, but not bad, a heavy presence, and I’m having difficulty not shaking. Is that what you’re talking about?

JOHN: It is. Welcome to revival. [laugh] It feels like the sun come out. So that night he was in the service and it felt like, sure enough, during worship, it felt like the sun would come out. And so all of a sudden this guy stands up like this out of his wheelchair and he says, “Oh my God, I’m healed!” And I remember looking at him back there and I thought to myself, if that man’s standing that man’s healed, because he was so sick and so dizzy. Well to make a long story short, he went back to Atlanta, walked into his doctor’s office, not in a wheelchair, walked there.

SID: I wish I had been there.

JOHN: I wish I had, too. And the doctor, when he saw him he cussed again, and he said, “What in the blankity-blank are you doing here? How come you’re not in your wheelchair?” He said, “Well I went to Florida. I went to that revival.” And he said, “I want another MRI.” The doctor said, “No, no, no, no.” He said, “Look I’ve got your MRIs back there and I know what they look like.” He said, “Look, forget the insurance. I’ll pay for it out my pocket. I want another MRI.” They did one. The tumor was completely gone. He brought 30 people back to Brownsville, 30 Jews back to Brownsville with him on a bus, Sunday morning, and every one of them was saved and filled with the Holy Spirit.

SID: Do you hear that? Every one of them had an experience with God and filled with the Holy Spirit. I believe a miracle settles the argument. I absolutely believe it. And this is what I proclaim. Proclaim the Kingdom of God after you have demonstrated the Kingdom of God and everyone will want to know the king. It’s so simple. You need not be confused. We have a cerebral gospel. Like I talk to orthodox Jewish people and I say, look at Isaiah 53, 800 years before Jesus came to Earth. It’s a perfect description of Jesus, and they’re not even sure that the Bible is coming from God. They’re not even sure that there is a God. But show a Jewish person one, it isn’t an accident that the scriptures say, “The Jew requires a sign.” It isn’t an accident that the two times lightening has struck revival with Pastor John Kilpatrick. These are the ingredients. He has a heart for the presence of God .He has a heart for walking in holiness. He has a heart to pray and he has a heart for the Jew and Israel. I said something spectacular would happen on this particular segment. I guess I’m holding back. I’m expecting it on the next segment. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.

JOHN: Jesus! Father, we pray tonight that every life will be touched and bondage will be broken, that addiction will be broken, and Father, the fear and the anxiety, and Father, the weight that people are carrying tonight will be lifted in the name of Jesus. God, I pray for every sickness, every disease in the name of Jesus. By the power of the blood of the shed blood of the lamb let the healing power of God flow through your body right now in Jesus’ name, in the name of Jesus.

Sid: My guest, Charles Vance has been studying finances for many years from a spiritual biblical perspective.  He lives in West Virginia.  And for those of you that aren’t familiar with West Virginia, it is the poorest state per capita of all the states of the United States. And Charles Vance was raised with a   poverty mentality and one day the light bulbs went on because a Pastor was bold enough to teach him God’s principals involving money.  And not all of them, just a few Charles, but that was enough to get you started.  Am I right?

Charles: Oh, it wet my taste.  It was something just catapulted me to another level of hunting through the Word of God to find out proofs for myself.

Sid: Well, in 1970 your income, your personal income was what, below the government’s poverty level and today you and your wife are in the top 1% of the wealthiest people in the world.  And you hate poverty with a passion.

Charles: Loathe it. I hate it because I’ve seen so much of it.  And I’ve seen people act like its normal.  I believe poverty is anything but normal in the Kingdom of God.  I believe God wants us to prosper.

Sid: And the reason that I have you on the air this week is because our country is in an economic crisis.  Tell me some of the statistics your aware of.

Charles: Sid, our national debt is moving.  It’s increasing four billion dollars a day with a b.  It’s somewhere around thirteen and a half trillion dollars.  I don’t think anybody can even comprehend that. A trillion, a let me give you this real quick.  A million seconds is 11 ½ days approximately.  A billion seconds is 32 years, a trillion seconds is 32,000 years.  Our national debt is almost 13.25 trillion dollars.  Increasing four billion dollars a day and nobody has come up with any idea to do anything to stop the runaway inflation that is going on.

Sid: I have to tell you that the thing that is so upsetting to me is I’m watching what is going on and I’m watching the debt is being increased so dramatically and I don’t see anything to change that.  And I’m not very optimistic on the economy in the United States of America.  As a result of what I said.  I have a background; I was a stock broker at Merrill Lynch so I have a degree of a background.  And I mean it almost seems as if everything they are doing is going to cause us a problem rather than solve a problem.

Charles: I’m 100% in agreement with you.  The US only has about 1.2 trillion dollars in circulation.  There’s less than 2 trillion dollars in gold that is stored in the world.  The US gold reserve is just over 100 billion dollars.  We are living on paper promises in this country.

Sid: How long can we have white paper and green ink and a printing press and just keep printing this worthless money?

Charles: At some point, you know a lot of this they have this national debt several trillion dollars is to foreign countries and if the foreign countries decide that they want to call their debt in from the United States I do not what.  There is going to be some sort of economical chaos that is taking place in the government.  I know so many different things that the government does.  The one instance, they borrow money over night from several lending institutions, bunches of them and type checks which is against the law for us to do.  But they write bad checks.  I had a friend of mine that was the president of a large credit union and he said that they loaned the government every penny that they had electronically from five o’clock in the evening until nine o’clock the next morning.  I asked him what the government did with it, he said they wrote checks on in and then they put it back in the bank at nine o’clock the next morning or in the credit union and the following evening they took it back out again and wrote more bad checks on it to other people.  How long can that happen.  How long can it keep going until this country goes into some sort of free fall financially?  I think that the country, the finances of the country are headed for chaos for just utter chaos.  And if we are trusting the government me give you this statistic.  Over 50% of people that are American citizens are getting some sort of government check.  Not all of that…

Sid: Fifty percent?

Charles: Over 50%.  You know there’s retirement checks, social security checks, but there’s a lot of welfare checks.  What are those folks going to do if the economy collapse and the government says we can’t get any more money or print any more money because nobody in the world honors it anymore?  If we are trusting in the government, and you know what?  My wife was teaching one of our…

Sid: Forgetting trusting in the government, how many people trust in their companies and trust in their employers for being able to survive?  I mean unless there’s another system rather than the system that everyone is stuck in, were all in trouble!

Charles: Well, there is absolutely is another system and it’s the Kingdom of God.

Sid: All right listen, you’ve lived it, you’ve taught it, you’ve seen it reproduce, but don’t you have fear over all these statistics that just rattled off your tongue?

Charles: Oh, I’m not concerned about these.

Sid: You’re not concerned?

Charles: Other people, other people, I’m certainly not concerned about me.

Sid: Really.

Charles: Absolutely not.

Sid: If there is rapid inflation and you need a wheel barrow of money to buy a loaf of bread you’re not concerned?

Charles: I’m not concerned about me.

Sid: Why?

Charles: I know what my source is.  My source is not the government. My source is not paper currency that the government prints, but my source is Almighty God.  I have heard people talk about, oh gosh a few years ago there was a thing called the Jupiter effect and that all the planets were going to line up back in the ‘80s and pull the earth off its axis.  There is not any chance in the world of it happening ever, because God set it in order and the Bible said the same word of His power keeps it in place.  That’s a kingdom law. And if I operate by the kingdom principals God has made promises to me that cannot fail because God does not lie and His word is settled forever in Heaven.  In the midst of a mess, just like in the midst of a poverty stricken state, my life can be prospering when other people’s lives are going down the tubes.

Sid: For those that did not hear, and you actually had to stream line it.  You’ve been teaching your seminar for many years and we have the four CDs called “Prospering in the Hard Times”.  You were talking about one man that understood what you said.  Had a revelation just like you had a revelation many years ago and tell me that story, I had to cut you short.

Charles: Well, he told me one day, we’ve started this new business and I said, “What is it?”  We’re mowing utility lines. He said, we’re mowing the grass and the shrubs off utility lines.  I said, that is interesting, so you are cutting grass for a living now.  Well, it is a little bit more than that, but I always kind of joke with him about mowing grass but, he said we just clear the lines, if there’s trees growing, we cut the trees move them so that they have access to these utility lines.  Last year, there company became a million dollar company.  Another thing that is even more interesting is that one of the companies they were working for, the people that they were answering to actually called him in the office one day and said, we just wanted to let you know, it is not my position, this guy said, it is not my position to tell you this, but you’re not charging this company enough money.  Now, that’s the favor of God that is working on somebody’s behalf because that just doesn’t happen by itself.

Sid: Do you walk in fog?  What I mean by fog, it’s an acronym for favor of God.  Do you walk in fog?

Charles: Absolutely, there are some principals in the Word of God that cause that will, cause the favor of God to be activated in your life.

Sid: Can any one walk in fog?

Charles: Absolutely, anyone can.  God’s no respecter of person.

Sid: All right, but what about people that have been doing it wrong?  They’ve been kicking there foot against the wall not realizing it and they’re in a mess right now.  These principals take time don’t they? Is there any hope for them?

Charles: I’ve heard people say bad things can happen just in a jiffy.  Good things can happen just in a jiffy as well.  I’ve seen them happen in my own life and they can happen in other people’s lives, but you have to start somewhere.  You know a lot of people contemplate how bad things are and they’ll spend the rest of their life anticipating that they’re never going to be able to have anything different.  But if you never start you can never have a change.  We’ve got to make a change today.  I believe people need to make a change right now.  Use the information that you have now and start a change working in your life.

Sid: Well, if you just listened to this broadcast for the rest of this week and apply some of the principals we will be talking about, it’s going to dramatically change your life.  But how much more if you get this four CD teachings series titled “Prospering in Hard Times”.  If you listen to these principals and let the light bulb of operating in God’s Kingdom rather than a government kingdom you will change your destiny.  And do you know what they are going to end up doing Charles?  They are going to help a lot of other people too, that is the way the Kingdom of God operates.  It multiplies.

Charles: No question about it.  I really believe that when we learn things, Jesus said when you give, it will be given unto you good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over.  It meant you will give into your bosom.  Now running over needs to be our life all of the time.

Sid: As I was doing my introduction I was thinking of a conversation I had with a friend just before I did this interview.  In this conversation this person was making such a big deal that they might have had some Jewish ancestry five six generations back and I thought to myself, so what.  The issue is not whether you are Jewish or Gentile.  The issue is not whether you are male or female.  There is a role for males and female.  There is a role for Jews and Gentiles.  And God did not make any mistakes.  He set you in the place he wants you to be in the body.  But the whole issue is knowing who you are in Jesus.  That’s the beauty in the One New Man because you see we each need each other.  God created it that way to have the full dwelling place of God.  That’s the whole deal and if you’d rather be someone that your not, get some help.  Get a life.  God knew who you were before you were even formed in your mother’s womb.

Now, my guest Katie Souza has got a series that I’ve been listening to called “The Healing School.” And we have a special bonus called “The Glory Light Healing.” The thing I love about this teaching is that it is almost like there are some missing keys in the revelation of healing.  And it’s about time that we start walking in the same power, and the same glory that Jesus had.   I can’t wait for her to show you some of the things that God is showing her.  Because, I believe there are people listening to us, Katie, right now that when they hear these keys light bulbs are going to go off. Some of them have been waiting years and years to be healed, waiting for this interview.  Now, on a previous broadcast, we found out about Katie, and as far as I’m concerned, if you saw the movie “Bonnie and Clyde” Katie was both of them put together.  I mean, Katie, these high speed chases and guns and drug labs and running away from the police, and collecting money from people at gun point that owed you money on drug deals.  I mean I can picture someday there is going to be a movie.  But it goes right back to the line of scripture to him who is forgiven much they love much.  I don’t quite understand it, it’s not necessary to be so broken to get such revelation, but it doesn’t hurt, you know.  Something about that brokenness that makes us more pliable to hear from God, what do you think about that?

Katie: Indeed, I’m telling you that there is nothing like being locked up in prison to get you sequestered and silent so that you can hear God and He can fill you up with His goodies.

Sid: So, about 2006 you went to a friend of mine who runs the church, Bill Johnson, the Bethel Church in Redding, California.  You felt directed by God.  You had seen healings, when you were in prison you saw healings.  But you knew that was something more so you went to this church what happened to you there?

Katie: Well, God told me to go to Bethel and I didn’t know anything about it because I was an ex-con. I had just got out of prison so, you know it was a big deal for me to get on a plane and go some place that I had never heard of. And when I got there it was like we have been believing that we were going to receive the Matthew 10 anointing that drives out demons and heals the sick.  And I got there and found out that Bethel is, of course world famous for the kingdom of Heaven manifesting there on a regular basis. I went because my mother had been very very ill.  She had a disease that ate her bones and she had lost many.  Her hip and her fingers and her bones had fallen out of her knuckles and she was extremely crippled.  We believed that the Lord was going to do something great.  So He told me to go.

Sid: And I tell you, I had never heard of such a disease but according to my notes, when she got an artificial body part the disease ate through the artificial body part even.

Katie: Yeah, six months Sid, the one hip was eaten they took it out, they put in the artificial one, six months later she collapsed, they open her back up and it had eaten the plastic parts of the manmade hip.

Sid: So you were desperate to understand healing.  So you go out to Bethel, what happened?

Katie: Well, like my second day there God did what He said He was going to do.  I’m standing in the service in the front. Two little housewives with their kids clinging to their skirts laid their hands on me. And the liquid power of God filled me up and I knew I had received the Matthew 10 anointing.

Sid: Which allow you to cast out demon and lay hands on the sick and have them recover.  So you get back home, you know that God has given you something special.  He directed you there.  You receive. Now you are coming home and your mother, who you love, who has been suffering.  I mean, it really sounds like she was in agony for something like 25 years.  You go there, great woman of God, you lay hands on her, what happened?

Katie: Well, I had something I never had before.  I suddenly had the switch that turned on and it was like this power generator with this heat started going and flowing inside of me and being released down my arms and out my belly and out my body on to Mom.  So, here I am, God had given us sign and wonders saying He was going to do something great.  I went, I got the anointing, I’m back I got this generator and I’m totally believing Mom’s going to jump up and be completely healed.  I’m praying, I’m releasing and I’m going and nothing happened.  And I’m like, what’s going on God.  And the next day I pray and nothing happened, and the next day I prayed and nothing happens.  But then on that third day, my father had been in the emergency room all day and he had been scheduled for two major operations with his prostate because he had been having trouble with it for years and years.  I walked up to him, I laid hands on him and he was healed.  So I knew that we had the anointing but there was something that was blocking Mom from receiving and that was when God began to tell me what it was.

Sid: What did He tell you?

Katie: As I sat before Him, He started to explain to me about the order in which Jesus talks about that Matthew 10 anointing.  He said, Notice the order and how Jesus presents it.  He says, he gave His disciples the anointing to first drive out demons. Then heal the sick.  God told me that sometimes you need to remove demonic powers that are hindering the healing before you can then heal the sick.  So I’m like oh, I get it God and I run back in there and I start praying for Mom rebuking every demon on the face of the planet off of her and again nothing happened.  So I’m like, what is going on with this God?  And He said you are doing what you were told.  You are fighting the enemy but once again it is about order.  You are fighting the demonic kingdom in the wrong order.  God began to minister to me how there was an order in the dark realm that it operated like an army.  That’s why the man at the tombs told Jesus that his name was legion.  Legion is a Roman army term and he knew he was part of an army.  And in every army there are ranks.  You know, generals, lieutenants, colonels in the United States army.  God began to show me.  Stop fighting from the bottom up the ranks.  Start working your way from the top down.  And when He said it to me, I said well show me where the ranks are in scripture.  So He took me to Ephesians 6:12, that classic scripture and I was reading it in the Amplified.  And as I saw it, I saw the order.  It says that we wrestle not with flesh and blood but against the and here’s the order. Gasp bits, the powers and the master spirits.  And as I looked at that order I could see that there it was.  That was the order I need to fight the demonic kingdom.  The first in the order is des pit.  What is a des pit?  It is a tyrant king and no king is a king unless he has a kingdom underneath him.  So who are in these kings’ kingdoms, the next two, in the order. The powers and then the master spirits.  The word powers , when you look it up in the Webster’s Sid, it actually means orders of angels, there’s the ranks in the demonic army.  And then the last in that army and the lowest rank are the master spirits because to master means to be able to control someone.  So those are the spirits that have the ability in some way to control or to harm you.  And so as I began to see this order of the demonic kingdom, with the kings at the top and the powers and the master spirits underneath them in their kingdom, the Lord spoke to me again and said if you will learn how to fight and defeat the king then the powers and the master spirit underneath them in their kingdoms will just submit to you.  I was like, okay, that’s cool.  Where is that in scripture? And He said, it is in the story of David and Goliath.  As I went to that story Sid, I saw exactly what God was trying to say to me.  That if you fight the demonic kingdom from the top down, you will be successful. And I saw the story starts with the Philistine army and the Israel army lined up in battle array to fight each other.  But they were not fighting.  The reason why was because each one of those armies had a champion that was covering them.  David was fighting for Israel and Goliath was fighting for the Philistine.  In this story Goliath himself makes a statement that proves what God was trying to teach me.  It says that Goliath will come every day for forty days to challenge the Israelites and every day he would say this Sid. He would go, choose a man from amongst your selves to come down to me. If he is able to fight me and defeat me then we, meaning me and my army will submit to you.  And that’s exactly what happened. See Goliath was saying, look I’m the covering for the Philistine army.  I’m their champion.  If you defeat me then not only will I submit but my entire army.

Sid: So that was the key you got for your Mom.  If you could get rid of that ruling king then the whole army backs off.  I love it, and as a matter of fact, we have her entire Healing School, six CDs step by step; the missing keys that you’ve been waiting for; the missing revelation that you have been waiting for.  That I believe is going to unlock the mystery of you manifesting your healing and you being about to set a lot of people free.  She has teaching on soul wounds. She has teaching on the glory and healing. Really missing keys and the thing I love about the teaching.  It’s more of a how to than a superstar mentality.  Her greatest passion is for you to learn to walk in the same healing that she’s walking in.  And we have a bonus that is worth the entire thing.  It’s a bonus CD on the Glory Light, Healing from the Glory Light.

Sid:  Joel is a nice Catholic from Boston, and it’s a hot day. There’s a tent meeting. A revival is going on. Now Joel is not interested in spiritual things. He just thinks that maybe he can go in that water and cool off. Is that really the way it was Joel Richardson?

Joel:  Everything except for the good before Catholic. I was raised Catholic fairly nominally. By the time that I was nineteen, which is when I came to the Lord, I was very far even from my Catholic roots. When I was nineteen, a friend of mine and I had driven from South Boston to the suburbs of Memphis, TN. It was just one street over from Elvis Presley Blvd. We pulled up to a grocery store, and in the back of this field next to the grocery store was a big old southern holiness tent revival. It was a hot day in the end of August. We had a little truck with no air conditioning. When we pulled in I had the bright idea to get baptized and cool off. My friend thought that that was a good idea. The end result was that we found the preacher. It was in between services. This was a revival that was going on for a few days. We got baptized, and of course we stayed for the meeting. There were various individuals that knew that we didn’t belong there. We had long hair at the time. I was a little South Boston hippy drug addict I guess you could say. They began trying to minister and witness to us. As the meeting went on, numerous people were being touched by the Holy Spirit. Different people were being healed. I’ve always been a skeptical individual. I was watching this and there was one gentleman who really caught my attention. He was an older gentleman who went up and he said that he had been blind most of his life. Even from a distance you could tell that his eyes were sort of white, blue, gray. He didn’t have pigment in his pupils. As the preacher prayed for him, he asked the man if he could see. Very hesitantly the man said that he thought he could a little bit. Instead of giving testimony and jumping up and down, he walked off stage and wandered out into the cars. They were all parked in the field. I followed him.

Sid:  Why?

Joel:  I was curious. I wanted to see. It was my opportunity to interview someone who said that they were being healed. He caught my attention. You could tell that he was looking around, and that he himself was pretty mystified. You could see the look of shock on his face. Something had happened. As I walked up to him, he was fifteen yards off kneeling down in the grass, I could hear sobbing and weeping like a little baby. This gentleman was probably in his sixties. I walked up and began to ask him what was taking place. He sort of interviewed me a little bit. He said that he had been blind his whole life. He could see for the first few years as a child. His hand reached up to the sky. He was just praising God. He was just weeping and he said, “Right now, I can see the stars.”

Sid:  That had to have such an impact on you, and then, that very same evening, were you saved?

Joel:  I was saved. I knew at that moment that I had to take all that was taking place seriously. I knew that no matter how much I would like to write it all off as fanaticism, I knew that something had taken place. This man was being genuine. As I went back into the meeting, the preacher was reading from the gospels. He was reading from the sermon of John the Baptist. He said, “The ax at the root of the tree has already been laid. Therefore bear in keeping with repentance lest you be cast into the fire.” At that moment, the Holy Spirit confronted me and He told me, “If you don’t repent of your entire life, your entire life is a lie. If you don’t repent tonight, right now, if you don’t completely give Me your life, you will spend eternity in hell. You will go to hell.” My response, which shocked me, was, “Absolutely. You’re right. My entire life is a lie. If I don’t repent I will end up going to hell and deserving it.”

Sid:  You know what is so obvious to me? You were set up by God, Joel. Then you became a believer. You were minding your own business in a large meeting of about seven thousand people. The prophet, who was speaking, calls you out. What does he say?

Joel:  Fast-forward several years, and my wife and I are sitting in the back of a very large auditorium. He calls both of us out. He told me that because of my faithfulness in my season of waiting on him in intercession, the Lord is going to release me into revelation and He’s going to essentially download revelation from His heart and mind to mine. He’s going to begin opening up the scriptures. This is tied into another prophecy that my wife had received that she would marry someone with new insights into the end times and that I would actually release revelation concerning the end times.

Sid:  Now you are actually doing this right now. Are you as amazed as the people you talk to of this revelation you’ve been getting? Because it’s different than most people that are teaching end times.

Joel: To a degree it is. One of the things that I continually hear as people read or listen to my material, is they say, “I had a dozen ‘aha’ moments.” I always respond by saying, “Me too as I’m writing.” Winston Churchill said, “If you want to learn about a subject, then either write a book or teach about it.” When you take the time to prepare, pray and study, when you seek the Lord in order to teach others, you yourself are taught in the process. In the process of putting so much of my material together, I have also had numerous “aha” moments.

Sid:  It must just pop out like a revelation. I know when this happens to me, I’m as mystified as excited as the people that hear it.

Joel:  I’ll tell you something personal, Sid. When I was a child, I had a repeated dream throughout my childhood. It was that I would discover a secret panel in the house that I grew up in. I would discover a secret room. I would always wake up from this dream with this intense sense of excitement that I had lived in this house my whole life, but I had never known that there was this secret room in my house. As I become an adult, I still have the dream, but it’s changed. Since becoming a believer, I have a dream that as I’m reading the Bible, I open up the Bible and I find a new book. I say, “Wait a minute. Where’s this book been? I’ve never seen this book.” As I begin reading it, it’s exciting, and there’s this energy on me. Every time I have that dream, it usually follows that as I begin opening up the Bible, I’m not literally finding a new book, but it’s as if the Lord’s opening up His books that are already there. He’s releasing understanding and revelation.

Sid:  I can tell you, Joel, that as I watch your DVD series, I am so excited the way you unfold and tie in end time Bible prophecy with current events. You have facts about who is the great harlot. You have facts about who is Babylon. You kind of connect the dots of things that we know the ingredients of, but you put together. As a matter of fact even before we share anything, I’ve got to ask you this question. I know no one knows the day or the hour that the Messiah is going to return, so I’m not stupid enough to ask you that question, but based on the information that you have in these DVDs, could everything occur in your lifetime?

Joel:  Personally, I absolutely believe that if I should live long enough that absolutely, the Lord will return in my lifetime. I do believe that He’s at the door, and I believe that we need to be about the work of the Lord as a result.

Sid:  Now you have spent over a year in the Middle East in Egypt, Jordan, and Israel. You must have had a fit when President Bush kept referring to Islam as a peace-loving religion.

Joel:  Yeah as the great religion and the religion of peace, I carry a very hard message.

Sid:  Our time is up.