It's Supernatural

Sid:  Now, if you know me I am so intrigued with Gifts of the Holy Spirit that have been refined over the years that are role models for us to learn from.  And I was talking to a friend of mine the other day and he said that he had a friend that people that are pretty high up in ministry, people like a Kenneth Copeland really looks forward to hearing prophetic words from this man.  I said, I’ve got to meet him so we called him on the phone.  His name is Dean Sikes and I have him on the telephone right now.  Dean, I understand that you really were moving in this gift of prophecy and you didn’t even understand what you had at one point.  Is that true?

Dean:  That is so true, Sid.  You know I,  when I realized that God had called me in the ministry I didn’t know what He had called me to do, I just knew that there is something happening on the inside of me and low and behold suddenly the Spirit of God began to just show up in my life.  And I as saved and I serving God, but I wasn’t operating in the prophetic like I am now way back then and when I discovered that the Holy Ghost is real, that He’ll talk today and he uses people as a messenger, my life changed.

Sid:  In fact, explain to me the call that God put on your life; my notes say that you were told you are a messenger for His people.  What does that mean?

Dean:  You know, if you go the Old Testament, messengers and prophets are synonymous.  And I was in our back yard one day and the Lord asked me a question and when he asked me that it so caught me off guard.  He said, “Do you know what I’ve called you to do?”  I said, “Well, I sure think I do, but if you’re asking I sure want to listen.”  And He said, “I’ve called you to be a messenger, and messenger does two things they receive messages and they deliver messages; He said for the rest of your life Dean, you will do three things, you’ll hear My voice, deliver My messages and share your testimony.”  And Sid that is what I do everyday all over the place.

Sid:  You know, most people that are listening to us would give anything for God to say that to them.  And one of the things that God has told you teach on is to discover your destiny.

Dean:  Yeah.

Sid:  Now before this week is over were going to show people how to discover their destiny, but I got together with you a few days ago.  You just circumstantially you happen to be in this next city to where I live.  And when I got you on the phone this morning you said that you wished you had had time because you had a word to give me and I said, hold that thought give it to me on the air.  But then I said to you, it’s not bad is it?  I was just teasing.  Would you tell me what God showed you, just tell me.

Dean.  Absolutely I will.  You know that I’ve been in 2^nd Kings where Hezekiah was really going through some times and the Word says that God heard his cry and he’s seen your tears and he will surely heal you and on the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord.  And here’s the Word that I got for you that was “He’s going to add, if you want it, fifteen more years to your life.”  You know people said, how do you make that kind of statement, especially on the airways?  Well, if you know God’s voice, you know I believe the most important thing that anyone will ever do is hear the voice of God; and I think the second most important thing anyone of us will ever do is obey what we just heard.  And so when he told me that he was adding fifteen more years to your life, if you wanted the fifteen years there yours.  I really got excited because the word that I had for you when I saw you earlier was that “I had not seen, ear have not heard nor had entered into the heart of man the exact amount of work that God still has for you to do.”  And my thing to you is, you know your work in what you are doing in reaching so many people, there’s still an abundant amount of work left to be done with your name assigned to it.  So I believe that’s why God has extending the time and that’s why God is pulling people into your life and I believe you are going to see some doors open for you that you are going to just and here’s the word going to astound the doubter.

Sid:  Well, you know between you and me and those Mishpochah that are listening, I have a grave concern and my grave concern is Christians throughout the world are more enamored with developing their friendship with Jewish people which means they can’t share Jesus then they are the Kingdom of God.  And there are too few Christians sharing Jesus with their Jewish friends because they’ll offend and how can you call on Him whom you have not heard.  And the average Jewish person doesn’t really have a handle on who Jesus is.  Oh, they know that Jesus is for the Gentiles, for the Christians.

Dean:  Right.

Sid:  And I just know that this is God’s time and interesting enough with the word that you just gave me Dean simultaneous to and you told me the first part of it from 2^nd Kings previously, someone came from Ethiopia just to see me and said if I would change my eating habits, God would extend my life into the nineties and he said something very similar to what you said.  So I guess you need two or more witnesses, I’ve got my two.

Dean:  You’ve got your two.  That’s right and you know the only reason God would extend life is, if you look in John 17 Jesus glorified, the word says “I glorified you on the earth; I finished the work you gave me to do.  When we finish, Jesus didn’t retire, dear Lord, He did His work and went to Heaven, He got out of here and so if we’re not through with our assignment and we’ve not finished out work then I fully believe that God still extends our days so that we can fulfill that calling.  If you look at the Word, the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable, the gifts are plural the calling is singular.  When we are in our one calling, all of our gifts work together for the successful accomplishment of that one thing that we’re called to do.

Sid:  Now, tell me about the word that you had for the congressman that is now running for governor.

Dean:  Oh yeah, there’s a guy that is running for Governor and he’s in the United States Congress now and God had really put him on my heart.  I said Lord you’re, I know him and he and I have met but as far as having access to him I don’t in the natural and You are going to have to do it if you want me to get this Word to him.  Well, it was about ten days, I just kept believing God because it was on my heart and I spoke to someone who knows him and said the Lords really spoken to me about this race and about him and about how he is the person that God has chosen to be in that office.  I believe I’m supposed to give him that word but I don’t have access here’s my cell number.  If he’s interested call me.  About nine thirty at night my phone ring with an unfamiliar I didn’t know the number and it was the United States Congressman telling me hey Dean, good to talk to you I’ve heard you have heard from God.

Sid:  How important was the Word that you delivered to him?

Dean:  You know when you operate in the prophetic you have to always understand that again, God spoke through a donkey so there’s hope for us, you know.  I try my best to stay very humble and go you know.  God can speak through anyone who’s open, but the word that He gave me was so important to this campaign that I was able to watch the gubernatorial debate and the Word that I gave this congressman, as I said it to him he said it across the airwaves and it had literally turned the race around.  So you know it’s one of those things that Brother Copeland teaches a lot that one word from God can change your life.  I stand on that too.  When God speaks He doesn’t just say it for no reason there’s always a reason and I think the key to us is obeying what we’re hearing.

Sid:  Now, when you were a young man about fifteen, you were abused and it put a scar on you and at twenty-one you reached a point where you said, you know I’m reading your Word God, but I’m not seeing much in my life and I want you to prove yourself and what happened?

Dean:  Well, it was that’s how it went down, mine was probably much more just kind of sand paper rubbing against a wall, I was like God; I don’t know it you are real or not.  I have been in church all my life; I have gone to Christian schools.  I don’t know you, I feel kind of stupid talking to somebody I don’t even think exists, but if by chance I’m wrong would you just please show up in my life and prove to me that you are real.  And Sid, two weeks went by I forgot that I had even prayed that prayer.  I had been at lunch, I was back in my office working in real estate development, our company had a couple of air planes.  We had a Condo in Florida, I had stuff but more importantly and much more to the point, the stuff had us and I was in trouble.  I was sitting in this office, dialing the phone, and off behind me I heard a voice that would change my life.  Two words changed my life and they were call Mom.  And I didn’t say, what if.  I dialed 344-7443 the phone rang six times, seven times on the eighth ring my mother answered the telephone and when she said hello, I knew instantaneously that something was terribly wrong for in that moment in time, I now know God by His Spirit said to me “Call Mom.” And I audibly heard him and at that moment my mother was attempting suicide.  She was dying; I could hear the life leaving her voice.  I ran out of my office, got into my car went up interstate 75 to a little community called Ooltewah, Tennessee drove into my parents neighborhood, I saw their home and from the outside in everything looked fine; from the inside out my Mom was dying.  How many millions of people do you and I get to communicate with who from the outside in appear to have it all together, but from the inside out they are in their own little private search wondering how did life turn out this way?  Does God really exist?  Is there a plan for me?  Is this person Jesus, real?  Well, when I beat on that door that day, my Mom came down some stairs she was barely alive, I picked her up, carried her to her car, drove her down interstate 75 to Partridge Hospital in Chattanooga, Tenn.  On the way to the hospital, she said I cannot be dying.  I said, Mom hang on you’re not going to die, but your choices create your circumstances.  You’re going to have to choose life; you’re going to have to speak life.  When God created the world He spoke, when he created you and I to be in His image, we understand that God created His world by His words and then He created us to be like Him our words create our worlds.  So I just knew how to pray a little bit, I said God, this is what happened, you’re not surprised by this, you are going to half to save my Mom’s life, I know that you are not through with her.  To cut to the end of that story a miracle happened in that hospital.  The doctor said to my father, it’s a miracle there’s no medical reason to explain this.  She is alive, she’s fine she can go home tomorrow morning and she did and she’s doing great today.

Sid:  But this changed your life.  You no longer wonder, is God real?  I tell you what we’re out of time, but we have gone through some powerful teaching by Dean Sikes and we selected two teaching CD’s.  One is called “The power of Petition,” which is a key to get your prayers answered in the most astounding fashion you’ve ever seen.  And the second CD is “Discover You Destiny” and he has supernatural steps that you can find out why God has put you on planet earth and what you are suppose to do.  By the time this week is over you are going to discover how you can find your destiny.  We have a tool that will do it.

Sid:  And my guest Dr. Renny McLean has got the most significant key for you to understand.  I can’t wait for him to mentor you.  But Renny, I want to start you out and then we will go to that revelation and prophetic word you received from heaven about our currency.  But before we go to that, I would like to know to things, #1 how you recommend people worship at home?  And then #2 you’re at a different level than a lot of people, how you worship at home?  But for the people that are just starting in that realm, what would you recommend they do at home?

Renny:  The first thing I say to people is number one, worship is also a discipline.  There’s a certain time of the day where I will just cut off from people, I don’t even take phone calls, you know my wife knows I don’t talk and I’m literally, as people would say in a zone, I just worship.  That’s part of my discipline.  And then there’s times when throughout the day I just burst into a new song.  You know I would say the first thing to encourage people; it is a discipline no matter what you are going through you give God first place in all things.  You make sure you give your worship; you make sure you sow to the heavens in your worship.  That’s #1.  Number 2 have a set time but yet be spontaneous, you know.  David said it like this, when the Spirit of the Lord moves upon me I will dance. And then there’s times you know that you’re going to feel that spontaneity to just step in the river of God and just start to worshiping God.  You know, that’s spontaneous worship.  But then there’s times when you have to start it and then heaven will join in.  And then heaven starts it and you pick it up and start doing it. 

Sid:  You know what’s coming to my mind as you’re sharing this right now Renny?  Is in Matthew 25, it talks about the virgins, the wise had their own oil and the foolish wanted to get the oil from the wise, in effect if you worship, you’re filled with oil but if someone just before the rapture comes and knocks on our door and says give me some of your oil it doesn’t work that way does it?  Each has to worship God for themselves.

Renny:  Yes, we got to get into the presence of God on our own worship not somebodyelses.  Worship is personal, but yet corporate and I mean you can experience the same glorious God, Hallelujah!

Sid:  Now what about soaking, how does that fit into your worship?

Renny:  Oh, waiting before the Lord, I mean that’s something I say to people about the Lord, that just waiting before the Lord, when you wait before the Lord your spirit is still before Him.  And when your spirit is still, you’re really exercising a spiritual discipline because you are not running ahead.  You know, you’re just taking your time.  And sometimes Sid, that’s what God actually wants us to do.  He wants us to stop, pause, think and rejoice and literally be still and know.  So to know is in the stillness.

Sid:  So when you’re saying being still, this is something I do, tell me if this is what you mean.  I listen to very anointed soaking, what I call soaking music and I am just as still as I can be before the Lord.  Is that what you are saying?

Renny:  That’s one way, you can do it, you can do that.

Sid:  What’s another way?

Renny:  Okay, let me say to you another way, what’s still to someone else may not still you because you know it is like what you said, everybody is in…that’s why we are all different.  For example with me, I love music and then there’s times the last thing I need to hear is music because sometimes no music that you know literally has the sound of what you’re hearing.  And you know it doesn’t make you still before God.  And so that’s why there’s that time, that’s why there’s the worship without music where you can be still and just know.  And there’s times when music is really an aid and it’s really an aid of worship, it’s never to take the place of your worship because God prefers your voice over the sound of the instruments.  And so you know yeah, both of them are right you can do them both you know there’s nothing wrong with that.

Sid:  You said that it’s a discipline, how much time, I hate to put it on this basis but I’m very pragmatic Renny, how much time should someone take to worship.

Renny:  Can I tell you the truth?  I’m going to surprise you when I say this, I don’t even so much think it’s a time, I really don’t, but the reason why I say that is because I don’t think it takes you that long to get there.

Sid:  But you are instantly in the…I would assume that when you just open your mouth and start you are instantly in the glory. But most, it will take awhile to get into the glory.

Renny:  Because it is a progression of your faith and it’s a progression of your revelation because worship.  Let me say this to you, worship provokes God to reveal Himself and so that’s why worshipping He reveals.  And as He reveals worshipping becomes easier and the flow becomes completely different.  So you know I would recommend that to people Brother Sid that people just begin to do that and after awhile what’s hard becomes easy.  What’s high be made low.  I recommend that to people.

Sid:  What happens to people as they worship, as their faith grows, as they get…they’ll get to a point and I know this where the glory of God will flood there living room or where ever there praying.  When that occurs what should they do?  Or should they do nothing?  What’s happening to them?  What will happen to them?

Renny:  There’s time…oh Sid, let me tell you what I just heard in the Spirit there’s times where when people just do that they are going to have a visitation.  A visitation in nine times out of ten is likely, it’s just a visitation.  You worship Him and you begin to see Him and that’s one of the things that I teach on.  Is that the worship is the realm of the seeing realm.  Because the glory realm is a seeing realm, you’ll see visions; you’ll see the Lord; you’ll see angels; you’ll see heaven; you’ll also see things to come; because that’s the glory of God.

Sid:  Speaking of seeing things to come; tell me what happened in Portland, recently?

Renny:  I was in Portland, Oregon and we had two very very very powerful sessions and I don’t say it lightly because today everything is powerful but this was really unique, it was very powerful.  Because I wouldn’t say I prepared it, because most of the time you prepare a sermon but I don’t believe you prepare a revelation because you flow in the stream of it.  And the first night, we really, God did surgery on our minds; He expanded our minds he got stuff out of our heads that would prepare us for our tomorrow.  And so the second night came and the second night the Lord said to me speak on prophecy from a kingdom prospective.  Now most, in most cases Brother Sid prophecy is spoken outside of the kingdom concept and so the mentality that the church has is that it will get worse and not better.  Well the truth of it is it’s going to get worse for a certain group of people, but for a certain group of people it is going to get a whole lot better.

Sid:  What do you know what people are writing me now?  Their telling me that as they are soaking as they are worshiping God; they’re getting down loads of inventions.  I mean it’s, I think there’s a wealth transfer going on on planet earth right now.

Renny:  There is a wealth transfer, let me tell you this first Sid.  There is a wealth transference going on and I’ll tell you the reason it is going on; because we are at the time frame where I believe that what we’ve seen in measure, God is going begin to release the fullness of.  And when I was there in Portland the second night, the glory of Lord came on me and the Lord said to me Renny, I want you speak on the end times from the Kingdom perspective.  Not from just a prophetic perspective.  Now almost the nature of most people who speak prophecy from a prophetic perspective is that there’s no Kingdom in what their saying.  Now let me tell you something, the Kingdom of God isn’t going anywhere.  The Kingdom of God is here to stay in fact; if you listen to the pattern of the Our Father prayer, heaven is on a collision course with earth.  It says My kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.  And so yes, there is great things to come, there are some things to come forth that the earth has never seen before.  That’s because of what God said, but one of the major things the Lord said, what came out of my mouth when I was up there was this.  The Lord said to us that one of the signs of how close we are to things of what is about to break loose is that there is going to be a major currency war.  It is going to be the battle of the currencies.  Now I remember because I had, you know before we immigrated to Dallas, Texas where God lives, ha ha, you know we lived in London, England and we remembered years…

Sid: Wait a second now, Georgia has a lot of God too, but go ahead. Haha you Texans I don’t know.

Renny:  But, I tell you Sid, what happens is what’s strange, do you know Sid that I remember in the ‘80s in London they were talking about England coming into the EU and there was a changing of our currency and that was from the ‘80s and you know when the ‘90s hit but a lot of Europe now is now in the Euro and so Europe is literally become a whole state to itself now.  If you have a British passport now you’re not just a member of Britain now you are literally a member of the European Union.  You can travel anywhere in Europe literally without a passport.  So that tells you what we’ve been reading it’s happening before our very eyes. 

Sid:  So, what’s going to happen to the US dollar was that part of the word you had?

Renny:  The US dollar is going to crumble and I’m not just saying it to scare the world.  The US dollar is going to crumble, it is going to change, it is going to change.  It is going to change and I mean that there is so much of it we went into but the major currency the major war is going to be over currency.  Now when you follow that trend of thought clearly in the Spirit, whoever controls the currency what else do you control?

Sid:  You control everything. Ha ha.

Renny:  Exactly, exactly, exactly now the Lord just shared that with me, now I don’t have a date on it, but I know that it is not too long from now.  It can be like what we were talking about before the show Sid, it can be three weeks from now, or it can be three years from now.  But I’m telling you…

Sid:  As I was saying earlier in this week, many people read the book of Revelation and they say, well, it’s too symbolic it’s too hard for me to figure out, I’m just going to live my life and not understand the end times, because I’m not sure we can understand it.  But I have an individual that God has handpicked, groomed and taught; he’s lived in the Middle East, he has a passion for studying end times and he’s come up with answers to questions some of you have never even complicated.  And why is this so important?  You must understand the times that were living in.  And I believe that God does not want you ignorant in these areas.  So he’s put together four teaching sessions on two DVDs so that you can understand the times, in fact that’s the name of these four teaching sessions “Understanding the Times,” and when you finish this you will have a clear perspective of what is going on at this moment in history.  Now Joe Richardson there’s some terms that we read about Mystery Babylon, Great Harlot, and you’ve connected the dots in a way I have not seen before.  Tell me who mystery Babylon is?  Is it Rome, New York City?

Joel:  Well, Mystery Babylon is probably one of the identifying this mysterious woman in Revelation 17 and 18; is really one of the greatest mysteries of Bible prophecy and as you said, Rome, New York City, the United States these are all suggestions that have been put forward as theories.  Some people have said that it’s the summation of all false religious systems down through history.  But really the key to unlocking the identity of mystery Babylon is found in a really strange place it’s in the last chapter of the first epistle of Peter.  And the clue that we find there is that Peter, who is actually in Rome at the time that early church history is thoroughly consistent universal with the idea that Peter was in Rome and writing from Rome he said, the church that is in Babylon; and he used the word Babylon and applied it to the city of Rome.  And what we learn from that is that when we see really, and I call this the big picture, it’s a very simple picture.  And when we understand the simple story that’s laid out in Revelation 12, 13 and then 17 and 18 it’s a story of seven world biblical historical empires that have literally been empires that have all carried a satanic anti-semantic later and a anti-Christ spirit.  And each one of these empires have been the primary empires; and again down through a biblical and world history that have sought to destroy the Jewish people.  And that story is told where this beast is sitting before the woman in the book of Revelation and the woman is Israel; She’s about to give birth to a male child that’s the Messiah and then this beast again, which is satan wants to devour Israel, it wants to devour the Messiah to thwart God’s plan for the ages through the Messiah.  And satan’s primary tool down through the ages has been this series of world pagan empires these anti-Semitic empires and so of course Babylon was the city that was the, it was the spiritual and financial capital of ancient Babylonia;  that was one of these beasts, these satanic empires of history.  But in the first century when the Epistle of Peter was written, of course the Roman Empire was the beast empire of that time.  And in Revelation 17 we see that Rome was the empire that was, it was the sixth in this list of empires and the city of Rome was the spiritual financial capital of the Roman Empire.  So we have this pattern which is simply to say that mystery Babylon is the reigning spiritual and economic capital of which ever beast empire is dominate in the earth at this time.  And as I just discuss in the DVD series, the empire, the beast empire of our day that follows after the pattern of all of these previous pagan empires is the empire of the Islam, the Islamic empire as it has existed down through the past fourteen hundred years in various Islamic dynasties.  The Umayyad, the Abbasids, the Ottoman Empire, this is the primary anti-Semitic, anti-Christ; in fact it is the most significant anti-Semitic anti Christ empire that the world has ever seen.

Sid:  Now now, in your teaching you explain why it can’t be a lot of the other places that people have said from scripture; but now the question is, where is the capital of that empire?

Joel:  Exactly, exactly.  And this is really, you know this is a…it comes across as novel to most people when they first hear it, but I think that you’ll agree after its expounded and this is how I felt, it made more sense than anything that I have ever heard.  And the reason is Sid is in Revelation 17 & 18 it gives us numerous criteria to identify mystery Babylon.  And of the different suggestions that you mention that have been popular in the church and in recent years down through history, all of them have some or they meet some of the criteria, but none of them meet all of the criteria; and all of these theories have a few significant problems.  However, the identification that I’m going to mention, it doesn’t have any of the problems; it matches all of the criteria to a tee.  So if we agree that the primary anti-Semitic-anti Christ Empire of the earth today is the Islamic empire.  Then we ask, what is the spiritual and financial capital of that empire?  And the question that I like to ask people is “Where do 1.7 billion people throughout the earth pray five times a day toward a particular city in the earth and that city is Mecca.”

Sid:  One point seven billion?

Joel:  On point seven billion, it is actually 1.69 billion but that growing rapidly with the birth rates.  That is, Mecca is the greatest city of idolatry.

Sid:  That’s in Saudi Arabia.

Joel:  That the world has ever seen.  Beyond that, of course that, that’s the spiritual capital beyond that;  Saudi Arabia, unequivocally is the greatest financial source of terrorism and radical Islam throughout the earth beyond any other nation, Saudi Arabia is the nation that has funded this spread of Osama Ben Laden and Elcata and all of these various groups.  They pay for the Islamic centers and the mosques and the mid drosses.  They raise up the radical hate preachers, they send them out as missionaries.  They fill the mosques and the libraries with the radical Islamic anti-Semitic literature, pro Jihadee literature that has the Saudi Arabian government seal of approval in the books.  The city of Mecca is historical is the womb from which Islam burst forth into the earth; and today Saudi Arabia is still the spiritual and financial womb of all of the radical Islam throughout the earth.

Sid:  Now out of curiosity who would you say these one and half billion people praying to, who are they praying to five times a day in Mecca, facing Mecca?

Joel:  Well, there’s two ways to answer that, first of all I would say that if you are worshiping any other God other than the God of the Bible, then you are committing idolatry, you’re worshipping…

Sid:  Yes, but they say Allah is god, it is just the Arabic name for god.

Joel:  Well, the fact of the matter is Sid, is that nowhere in the Bible is God ever referred to by the name Allah.  However the Bible does tell a name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and that is Yahweh, it is very clear when he appeared to Moses in the desert, he said, Yahweh is the name that you shall tell them.  I am the one that sent you, the fact of the matter is that that Allah, the god of Islam is just one more manifestation of ancient near eastern astral and ward deities and there are numerous.  There is Zen, Mar duke, these are all the gods that were worshipped by the pagan peoples of the desert the day the god of Islam known as Allah is just one more manifestation.   And if I can be so bold as to say manifestation of satan, this time around who is trying to masquerade as the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  The god of Islam is not the god of the Bible.

Sid:  Joel, I’ve often pondered why did someone like President Bush, who I believe is a born again Christian constantly feed us a lie that Islam is a peace loving religion.  As I study its history, I don’t see anything peace loving about it.  I see it as the opposite of peace loving, but then as I started watching you’re four session two DVD’s on understanding the times and I saw how the long family relationship of both Bushes with the Saudi royals and I began to understand how the great harlot, the whore of the whole earth.  You list scripture by scripture by scripture and you prove that it is the great harlot is Saudi Arabia.  And then how you point out masterfully in your… teaching about people like President Obama and the amount of money he got from the Saudi’s and Jimmy Carter and the amount of money that he got from the Saudi’s and it’s outrageous about the cleans…oops our time is up.

Sid:  God has directed us to so many wonderful mentoring tools for you, but I have to tell you what is quickly becoming my favorite is a book that I’m holding in my hand.  The title is “A Message from God.”  You see on June 19^th 2004, Retha McPherson from South Africa her life was picture perfect.  A Hollywood story; she’s got a wonderful family; she is voted Mrs. South Africa; she’s got a wonderful business; things are perfect and she on the day everything changed.  Retha what happened?

Retha:  Yes, Sid this is exactly my life what you’ve explained and we had a motor car accident and my children fell out of the car and we couldn’t find them.  And eventually we found my older son.

Sid:  By the way, how did you happen to have the accident?

Retha:  There was a mobile in the road without its lights so as we entered on the highway the vehicle was standing without lights.  So my husband hadn’t had a choice, he just tried to swizzle out for this vehicle and then our vehicle starts rolling and my children fell out.  My elder son had a head injury and he was in a coma right away.  So we took him to a hospital, the helicopter took him and they said that the prognosis was very bad and that eventually there wasn’t any hope for him.  He had a mid-frame brain stem in the right and the left side was blood and he was damaged very, very severe.

Sid:  But I understand that God’s hand was working in this situation even at the worse, even when you found your son.  How old was he at the time? 

Retha:  At that stage he was twelve years old and as I found him in the bush and I was lying over him a car came out of the bush to try to avoid the accident and I jumped up because I knew, if I did not do that the vehicle would hit us.  And as I looked into this vehicle’s lights my whole body starts shaking.  And not as if you are cold but like really shaking.  And the next moment there was a heat on my whole body.  And I could feel the heat coming from my head and it went right through to my whole body; and after the heat there was the peace what God spoke in the word about.  And that peace stayed with me from that day until today.  And what I had there was eventually what I found out after a couple of months that this is moment that Jesus came and He picked my son up and He took him to Heaven.

Sid:  It’s now your other son, Josh I found this fascinating in the book; he was okay, just a few cuts, but Josh he said Jesus caught him in the air?  Explain that.

Retha:  The first weekend after Aldo was in a coma so he was in a coma in the hospital, the first weekend I went home and for the first time and I held him very close.  He was at that stage two and half years old, very tiny boy.  And his words to me he was explaining how the vehicle rolled and he kept on rolling and he says the next thing he says, Mommy and then Jesus caught me when I fell out the vehicle.  And I was like in my thoughts, this is cute you know, this is how we taught our children; Jesus is with us all the time, but I didn’t realize the seriousness in this.  Today, I know that that was true.

Sid:  Now, help me out.  There’s this accident; they don’t offer much hope; your son has brain stem damage.  He’s now in a coma; what does the doctors say once he went into the coma what should you expect?

Retha:  They really said we could expect the worse and that the organs normally give in and it was a long time until we had help on the scene, accident scene.  So for a brain injury that is very very bad.  So they said you know this is a question of time.  So the first week past and I stayed opposite ICU in this room and the first week past and I went this weekend to Joshua home and I came back and I was really looking for a hope in people’s eyes in the doctor’s eyes and there was just no hope.  Today, I know that there is just no other hope than Jesus.  If you still have another plan and a b c, I tell you are wasting your time.  The only plan is Jesus Christ and Yeshua because He is so alive you see.  And I didn’t know, well I knew Jesus cause, I don’t know here but in Africa you’re born in a Christian house, so you’re a Christian. But, there’s such a difference than being a Christian and having intimate love, passionate relationship with a living God.

Sid:  You know that is the thing that I got most out of your book.  I mean the miracles, how God is using your son to communicate literally with the world his heart.  But the thing the book did for me is I understand about passionate intimacy with God; but that’s the norm and not the exception.  Here in America we give someone their own television show if they have intimacy with God.  But everyone is supposed to have it and I think we’ve been lied to.

Retha:  Amen, for years and I was really crying about that.  The day came when they said to me they were going to put off the machines, there’s no hope.  Now I ran up opposite the ICU, I stayed in a room and I fell on my knees and I cried out to the living God.  And I’m forty years and I tell you for the first time in my life I realized the Word of God says you want people who call Him in Spirit and in Truth.  And that is so true so that wasn’t my flesh, it wasn’t my heart.  It was my heart crying out to God and He spoke to me in a hearable voice, you could hear him.

Sid:  In an audible voice?

Retha:  Absolutely audible.  The first thing and you know I did a strange thing.  I took my coat and I put it over my head and today I know it was like my Moses.

Sid:  Oh guess what?  Jewish people take the tallit or the prayer shawl and we put it over our head and many people believe when Jesus said when you pray go into your closet and pray; what He meant was take the prayer shawl and put it over your head and pray.  So you’re just being Jewish and didn’t know it!

Retha:  Yes, I know and Sid I can tell you so many things after wards what God told me about that.  So this is the way I do it today.

Sid:  So you put your coat over your head so that you would have privacy to pray. 

Retha:  Yes.

Sid:  Okay, and what did you do?

Retha:  I called out to God and then He answered me in a loud voice and He says, take off your shoes you’re standing on holy ground.  And then after that, He said to me, do you believe that Jesus Christ has paid the full price?  And as a normal Christian I just said yes.  But Sid, I can tell you today, I move around the country and around the world; I see, well this is me saying this, that I believe only 10% of the Christians, calling themselves Christians understand the blood of Jesus.  You see, because people are so in bondage, people don’t understand the blood.  People don’t understand what Jesus did for them.  And God saw my heart and understands that I don’t understand the blood of Jesus.  So what He did is He showed me in this vision how Christ was on the cross and how He took, you know all those beats for me.  And I cried out to Him, I said Lord, this could not be for me do you know who I am and all my iniquities and this crook church just came in front of me and I did not know the word that well.  And He says, 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He sent his only begotten Son for those that believe in Him.  And I was devastated; I knew that this was for me.  And my life changed the day I found out how much Jesus loved me and how much God loved me and the faith that I’m walking in today, the only reason why; because I know the love they have for me.

Sid:  Tell me the revelation you got from the vision about the crucifixion of Jesus.

Retha:  Yes, after that Jesus took the last stroke and He shout out He says it’s done.  And after that and I saw out of Heaven it came the veil came down and it was very very very big.  No man can ever tear that apart.  No man can ever and then it was torn open.

Sid:  This was the veil in the temple that they said was rent and it was rent from top to bottom and it was too thick for just a man to do that.  And so I understand what’s you’re saying by my study of scripture; you understand from the vision God gave you, go ahead.

Retha:  Yes, no man can ever do that, which I know today.  And then I was standing on a place where I exactly knew where I were and for me that is strange because I didn’t know the Bible that well, but today I know.  Whenever you are in God’s presence you always have first hand revelation.  That is why the moment I stood there I knew exactly where I was.  I saw the article of the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies and then God spoke to me.  He said my child; He says Jesus paid the full price for you so that you can enter into my presence.  Hebrew 4 “Come to the throne throne of grace to receive grace.  He says, Jesus Christ is the way, He’s the truth and He’s the Life.  And no man will come to God if it’s not through Jesus.  And I could see the outer court is the way and the truth and then the life.  And then the scripture came to me, John 10:10 which says, the devil did come to steal, but Jesus came so that you can have life and life in abundance.  The amplified says until it overflows.  You see this is what Christians don’t understand today.  They are seeking God for their hand and they don’t understand the abundant life.  The abundant life’s got nothing to do with your bank balance.  It’s got to do with the streams of living water. 

Sid:  You know you hit a real area that bothers me.  Here in America seems like the gospel is only give to get rather than give to have intimacy with the King of Kings.  Listen, were out of time right now, will pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.  But she had a revelation on the blood of Jesus that you’ve got to hear.  This book “A Message from God,” God Himself said this book should be published.  It will give you the hunger to take that next move to have intimacy with God.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah; he wasn’t always red hot for the Messiah, because he was facing a two year death sentence.  He was going to die in two years, his body was allergic to over a hundred different substances; his vital organs in process of closing down.  And he got a hold of some teaching on forgiveness, he forgave, he commanded the spirits of fear that had bound him his whole life to leave.  As a matter of fact Art Mathias, it sounds too simple.

Art:  That’s one of the biggest complaints we have about our ministry, is that it’s too simple.  But when you study what Jesus did, everything that Jesus did was brilliantly profoundly simple.

Sid:  Well, if someone just reads to the section on an unloving spirit, or just reads the section on forgiveness, or just reads the area of getting control over their thoughts and overcoming fear it’s going to change their life.  Forget the physical healing; they’ll just be walking in such freedom they won’t even have to worry about… As a matter of fact what’s better than being healed physically that’s never getting sick.

Art:  Well, living in peace is better than anything else having God’s Shalom in our hearts.

Sid:  Well, let’s go to an excerpt, I interviewed a pastor by the name of Mark Biltz and his wife read your book “Biblical Foundations of Freedom” and she lost a great deal of weight.  Let’s got to that excerpt.

Excerpt of Vickie Biltz:  This was me two years ago next November; I’ve lost ninety-five pounds since that time. (applause) The reason I got this way was to make myself safe, I had a lot of things happen to me as a young girl that shouldn’t happen.  Things my parents didn’t know about and I was lied to by the enemy and by a predator about things and so I held things in secret until I was thirty-eight years old.  And as a result even though I was a normal weight in high school, food and sweets were a comfort and nurtured me I thought, it was the enemy, it was the lie of the enemy and so as a result I blossomed to this size.  About six months before this, my brother who was forty-four years old had committed suicide and left behind two boys who were sixteen at the time and eighteen year old daughter; he had lost his house, his family, his wife, his business all within a year.  So that was on Valentine’s Day three years ago this coming February, so that whole next year I was very very angry and bitter at my brother and I ate, and I gained twenty pounds in that one year.  And after this trip I came home and I saw this picture and I just thought, “You know I like food, I’m just going to eat and I don’t care anymore.”  But then in January, the Lord spoke to me in as clear a voice as almost audible where He told me, He said, “What right do you have to be angry at your brother for committing suicide because you’re doing the same thing in a different way?”  And I had to come to grips of all the self hatred, with all the loathing of myself, the anger at myself.  It wasn’t that I hadn’t forgiven those that had hurt me, because I actually had worked through a lot of that, I hadn’t dug deep enough, but I made a choice that day.  I forgave my brother for committing suicide and then I had to start working on forgiving me, and it was a process and as I worked on the forgiveness of myself, working through the book, “Biblical Foundations of Freedom.”  And through the other books and getting prayer ministry this is the result I am no longer that person, this was the bondage, this was the old me and I’ve been set free, I can honestly say “I love myself.”

Sid:  So Art, when Vickie decided to forgive her brother, even though he had already committed suicide, she was set so free she lost ninety-five pounds.

Art:  Hallelujah.

Sid:  Now that’s quite a testimony, ninety-five pounds, but you have I mean that it’s almost every time you teach the course of “Bible Foundations” or people read the book you get testimonies of this magnitude.  Tell me some diseases people have been set free from; just list them that have followed the principals of “Bible Foundations of Freedom.”

Art:  I’ve got a testimony here from Barbara; she talks about the chronic fatigue and the chemical sensitivities that she was healed of after just reading the books.  A friend of mine last summer had cancer that he was healed of; we have that testimony from the doctors before and after ministering to him and the cancer left his body.  We had seen in the last year and half six blind eyes healed as we ministered to people; more than eighteen deaf ears healed in the last year and a half as people have read our books and ministered to them in some cases.  I have a testimony in front of me from South Africa, a person that was suicidal for four years and knew that the way they were living with was not what God had intended for them.  In your book “Biblical Foundations” was the only book that had in writing the thoughts that I had and I was able to apply the principals and the knowledge that your book spoke about and how the devil lies and how to apply the power of God’s promises.

Sid:  And by the way, you just triggered something that I have found in reading your book, I am so much more aware of my thought life and getting on top of something before it has a chance to get on top of me just from reading your book it made me more aware.

Art:  That was the intent of the book because we don’t know our thoughts; we’re so use to them.  We live in that, in our reality that’s really not God’s reality and we’re living in sins that we don’t understand, or we’re living in negative thoughts that we…

Sid:  And by the way that’s another thing I’ve found, I am so much more aware of sin of things I just didn’t give a second thought.  And now I’m not talking about the big sins like, adultery or you know things like, but I mean little sins that I would classify as little, but they could stop someone from being healed.

Art:  Well, the Bible says that just hated is speaking against our brother is like committing murder.

Sid:  You are not talking about gossip are you?

Art:  Well yes, I am.  Speaking against our brother is murder and that curse that we speak to someone else comes right back upon us when we don’t hold our thoughts captive, when we don’t do what Philippians 4:8 tells us to do.  To dwell on the positive things, the things of a good report and of those negative thoughts that start that feedback loop in our bodies that leads to the “Fight Flight Responses” and those fourteen hundred different chemical and neurological reactions that according to the American Medical Associates leads to 80 to 90% of all of our diseases.

Sid:  Let me ask you a question about forgiveness.  Let’s suppose your brother offends you, you got to them and they don’t even see it, should you wait until they see it and repent before you forgive them?

Art:  If you do that, then you’re just held in bondage and God doesn’t want us in bondage, we don’t have to have acknowledgement from anyone else that they’ve offended us.  We’re free in our relationships to be set free by just forgiving.  And when we really understand that when we’ve become offended it’s our fault because we did not forgive.  We have an obligation to forgive and becoming offended is always a sin; it’s the absence of forgiveness that leads to the offense regardless of what somebody else does.

Sid:  You know I’m reminded “He that dwells in love; dwells in God” and how can you dwell in love?  How can you love God if you hate your brother?

Art:  Well, we learn that the power of God, the protection that God has for us and His love for us in His provisions are forgiveness.  We don’t have to be offended; we don’t have to get hurt.  We can only become hurt or offended when we don’t do what the Bible teaches us to do.

Sid:  And then I love the prayers you have in the book, it’s basically a work book where you spot things that no one’s every shown you before and once you’re spot these things then you actually have a prayer to proper repentance towards God and then getting rid of the spirits that have attached themselves to you.

Art:    Amen, the model of Well Spring that we teach all the time is nothing happens until we pray.  Nothing happens until we actually do what the word of God teaches.  We can have the Bible memorized, but if we don’t do what it says we have wasted our time.  So that’s why we’ve made the book a very practical hands on workbook so we can ask.  The things in life and the issues are brought to the surface, they are not just stirred up but they’re actually dealt with and closure is placed upon them and then freedom and healing follow that.

Sid:  But you know we look for the shortcut; we look for just one blanket prayer to take care of everything, why do we have to deal specifically as you suggest in your book?

Art:  Well, Hebrew 11’s teaches that bitterness is a root and roots have to be dug out and every memory, every experience in our life that has pain in it is a separate individual root of bitterness.  And just in ministering to 1,000s and 1,000s and 1,000s of people we’ve learned that unless we pray through that very specific memory the pain does not go.  We can say, I forgive this person that offended me for everything they did, and it doesn’t really help until we get down to the specifics, I forgive this person for what they did in this specific memory, we lead them through our prayer and then we measure that forgiveness being completed by the going back and looking at the memory to see it still hurts or not and if the pain is gone then the forgiveness is complete.  If the pain isn’t then there’s more issues, more fascists to that memory.  So we start working with peoples earliest memories in their life and take them through every memory.  And this is what we would call an applied course in personal sanctification, finding every spot, every blemish, every wrinkle.

Sid:  It’s freedom!  I want you to be free!