It's Supernatural

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Julie True. And Julie, I have to tell you, your music, it literally, I believe it’s changing DNA in people, in their spirit, in their body. Especially, more and more people are talking about a concept called soaking. But most people have never even heard about soaking as far as what it really means. They’ve heard the term, but they don’t know what it means. What does soaking mean to you?

JULIE: Well it’s a time of rest. It’s a time to quiet your mind, be awakened in your spirit and it’s a time to be still and know that He is God. You know, in our soaking times, anyway, it’s not like we have the only definition necessarily of soaking. But in our soaking room it’s our time to pray. It’s not a time to worship out loud. It’s not a time to pray in tongues, be doing something. It’s a time to receive, to be still.

SID: You know, that’s a hard thing for us here in America to do, not do anything. Just be still before God. We were talking before we went on the air about Samuel and how he would literally soak. Explain that.

JULIE: Yeah. I think that was the same thing. It’s resting in the presence of the Lord. And when he heard God calling him, you know, he said, “What are you saying?” He said, “Here am I. I’m listening.” And I feel that is the same way with soaking. It’s like a time when you be still, you are still and you can hear God talking to you and you get lots of revelation.

SID: Now when people soak in your soaking center, what types of things happen to them?

JULIE: We hear many kinds of testimonies. But some of them are people being healed of insomnia, babies being able to sleep that have their schedules turned around, people with Alzheimer’s being greatly improved, emotional healing, healing from mental illness, physical types of healing. We had some amazing testimonies about people’s blood pressure that stabilized as they were listening to my music and with their vital signs being read, and things like that.

SID: You know what? I don’t want Julie to just tell you what happens to other people. I want it to happen to you. Julie, if you would go to our music set, and I want you to worship God and I want that same presence that Samuel was baking under in the temple to come upon you. Because I believe that as you soak, you prepare your heart to receive something special from God. And the third segment, get a pillow ready and you are going to, actually the whole third segment we’re going to have you soak before God and you will be changed. Julie True.

JULIE [music, singing]: All that is within me, all that is within me, all that is within me bless your holy name. La, la, la, la, la, la, la… All that is within me, all that is within me, all that is within me bless your holy name. Let the name of the Lord be lifted high, let the name of the Lord be lifted high. Jesus, Jesus. Let the name of the Lord be lifted high, let the name of the Lord be lifted high. Jesus, Jesus. Every part of my heart I gives you praise, with every part of my heart I give you praise. Every part of my heart I give you praise, with every part of my heart I give you praise…

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Jennifer and Jonatan Toledo, heads of Global Childrens Movement in Foley, Alabama. Jennifer had an encounter with the Lord, it was vision, if you could call it a vision. She was caught up into heaven and she went into a very very small room which Jesus called “The Weeping Room.” In which He could see and hear the cries of everyone on earth all at the same time, every single act of injustice on planet earth. Jennifer said she could see the compassion that Jesus had, how it affected Him. Jennifer how did it affect you?

Jennifer: Well I as well was completely undone, and just began to weep and weep. Pretty soon my heart was just so full of the emotions of God it actually really began to transform my life this encounter.

Sid: Did this happen more than one time?

Jennifer: Yeah it did. Actually there was multiple times where I would see myself in the weeping room. Actually from this place after this encounter the Lord invited me to actually to move to Africa and to begin to live with the poor and to begin to truly experience it. That was how the Lord had me walk this out. My heart really began to be gripped with compassion.

Sid: In other words, after you had this experience you got the major call up to now in your life.

Jennifer: Yes.

Sid: That’s very interesting. Then you talked about another room, this sounds like… I have to be candid with you I want the compassion of God, but that does not sound like a great experience that you had. I like the idea of this strategy room, explain what the strategy room was again.

Jennifer: Okay. When I was in the weeping room I saw another door that led out.  First of all, I want you just too really understand that first when I was in the intimacy chamber I never left that place of intimacy. See the weeping room was just a deeper level of intimacy. From that place, which I believe is true friendship with God you know because in that place of intimacy it feels good for us and all that, but coming into that place of weeping, that place of friendship with God where we truly as friends begin to care about what He cares about. From that place there’s another room, and that is the strategy room. In the strategy room I could see like blueprints, and maps, and just everything that was necessary for revival on the earth for the Kingdom of God coming. This is the great room, this is the room all the Christians are looking for, I mean that’s what we want; we want God’s kingdom, we want to see the manifestation of the His kingdom the earth. I thought “We need the strategy in this room.” I knew there was an abundance of everything needed in that place. I just began to say “Lord I want to go in there.” Actually it was quite comical what the Lord said to me.

Sid: What’s that?

Jennifer: He said “Jennifer you’re too fat you don’t fit through the door.”  [Laughing] At first I was offended and I thought “What are you saying to me Lord!” I just didn’t understand then I realized. You see we really are too fat, there’s too much of our self.

Sid: You just have to be an American Christian to be too fat.

Jennifer: Exactly! [Laughing] So what I did was I said “Okay Lord you know then help me to loose myself, help me to become smaller.” I understood as we spent time in “The Weeping Room” that we get smaller. God wants us to spend time in that place…

Sid: Now what do you mean by we get smaller?

Jennifer: What happens is, when we spend time looking and thinking, and meditating, and letting ourselves feel the emotions of God. When we become more consumed what His needs are, what He feels over what we want in our own life, pretty soon it’s like your own agenda doesn’t matter anymore. Your own money, your own comforts, your rights, your selfishness, it’s like little by little they get stripped away. Because when you see how beautiful He is, when you see… when you begin to feel and experience His emotions our petty selfish things really just aren’t important anymore. They begin to be stripped away, and the Lord desires to strip those things away from us because those are the things that hinder love in our life. Those are the things that hold us back from all that He is. So I began a process in my life and actually in the natural I had to walk this out for a year and a half. Whereas I would pray I would continue to see myself in “The Weeping Room” but I couldn’t go into the strategy room yet. I could see myself getting smaller and smaller. My selfishness, my own ideas of how ministry should be, or how life should be, or how things should happen, and God began to just strip me of those things because I begin to come more and more consumed with His desires. In that place, you know, I just was so… even at first “The Weeping Room” was such a hard place to be, it became a place I loved. It was a place I truly had communion with the Lord, where I felt like a friend of God, or I could share in what break His heart, or I could share in His emotions. You know while I was in there I had another encounter, this is a year and a half later.

Sid: Was this the point where you were small enough to enter the strategy room?

Jennifer: Yes, and what happened… I believe it’s a lifetime of stripping because every day we have to come back to that place of choosing to die to our self. I believe that this is a picture not for myself but for the church, there’s a real indication… what happened was I was in a meeting, I received prayer, I wasn’t even thinking about “The Weeping Room” quite honestly I mean this is a year and a half later. The conference had nothing to do with any of this, but all of a sudden I went into another encounter with the Lord. Right before me I saw what looked like an open vision. I just saw a door swing open, and I was just consumed with the fear of the Lord. In fact, so much so that I was laying on the ground and I could not move my body. Now this has never happened to me, I’m not one who typically has physical manifestations with the presence of the Holy Spirit. I was so consumed with the fear of the Lord I was stuck to the ground and couldn’t move. My body just felt like it was a million pounds, and I saw this huge door swing open and I heard the Lord speak and He said “It’s time. Welcome to the strategy room.” When He said those words it was like thunder going through my bones. I mean I don’t even know how to explain it other than I was just…

Sid: Jeremiah says “There was fire in His bones.”

Jennifer: Yeah, that’s much how His voice sounded. I knew the Lord was inviting me in, but actually it was interesting because a year and a half earlier I had been so eager to get into that place. When the Lord invited me in I just began to weep and I said “God I don’t want to leave this room. I don’t want to leave the weeping room I love being here with you.” You see God had truly changed my heart where the most precious thing to me was now to truly be with Jesus, it wasn’t just for the strategy. I could see just the change in my own response, and the Lord said “I want you to come in.” He walked me in to the strategy, there was so much in this room that I didn’t at this point didn’t have full revelation of everything that was in there. What I did see in front of me was a table and 2 chairs, and the Lord came and He sat me in one chair and sat across from me in the other chair. On either side of the table were these huge angels, these huge spiritual beings and they were holding these little wooden… looked like little vials, little vases. The Lord took my hand and He put a ring He put His ring, His signet ring on my finger. He said “I’m anointing you with authority.” I understood that it’s because of Him, His identity, His ring, His name that we have authority. Then He kind of pointed to these angels and they began to pour oil all over my head and I could feel, in the natural, I could feel it dripping down my body. He said “Now I’m anointing you with power.” He got up and He came behind me, He put His hand on me and I understood that when we truly understand I identity in who we are in Him, that releases authority which releases power. It was like a commissioning into the strategy room. I believe that the strategy room door of heaven truly is open for all of us, but there is a process, there is a process of how we get there. It starts with intimacy, you can’t… there is nowhere else to go if you don’t have intimacy. From that place of intimacy we’re invited deeper into His heart, into true friendship where we’re more consumed with His desires than our own. From that place He entrusts us into this amazing room called the strategy room. Sid I had an encounter one time where as I was in the strategy room I begin to come so grieved because I realized that in generations past there had been people who had gone into the strategy room of heaven before, and at one time they had the compassion, you of the Lord from the weeping room, but as they begin to get that strategy they begin to use it to build their own kingdom. I just could feel the grieving heart of God over that because the very reason He put the weeping room in front of the strategy room I believe as a picture for me to see was because every time He releases divine strategy on us He wants us to go first through that place of weeping. Where we truly carry His desires for His kingdom so it’s not about us, it’s not about selfish gain, it’s not about building our own ministry, or our own name, or whatever. When I felt the grief of the Lord over this I asked Him, I just said “Lord I don’t ever want to be one who uses Your strategy for my own kingdom. Please would you brand my heart with compassion?” As I was saying this I was just kneeling before the Lord and I saw His hand come out and He stuck His hand on my chest and it was quite amazing because in the natural I could feel my entire chest burning with fire. I looked down and in the spirit I could see across my chest was the word compassion. It was branded into my skin, you know it was in my vision, but it was so amazing I just said “God never let me be one who departs from this compassion.” Because that’s the key, compassion is the key that unlocks that strategy door, that’s what gets us in there. When we are truly consumed with His heart that He can trust us with strategy and I believe it’s absolutely urgently the hour that God longs to release His kingdom strategy…

Sid: Jennifer if not now when?

Jennifer: Exactly.

Sid: Now if Misty Edwards who I’ve been talking to all this week is an example of the young people out at IHOP you’re really raising a wonderful generation of believers.  But Misty where did you get such a love for the Jewish people?

Misty: Oh, this is one of my favorite topics I love the nation of Israel and the Jewish people.  As I began to study you know the word of God after I joined the House of Prayer; I grew up kind of … I wasn’t what I call replacement theology I was more like don’t think about it theology; I never thought about Israel it was never in my conversation, it was never a sermon that I heard.  So whenever I started the house of prayer I started reading the scripture for the first time really in my life you know from Genesis to Revelation Israel is everywhere, I mean it’s everywhere and so essential.  And then the more I began to study specifically the end-time plan of God it’s just centered around Israel.  Israel is a stage and so you know Israel is the doorway in which Jesus is going to return to the planet. And in my love and in my zeal for Jesus I began to love His family and the doorway He chose to come the first time and the second time.

Sid: Well, I’ll tell you something that impresses me most Christians don’t get it, but then those that get it don’t go far enough they do what I’m very pleased because I have dual citizenship, I’m an Israeli as well as an American.  They have bless Israel nights and they pack it with Christians and Jews, but they kind of agree not to talk about there’s only name given unto men in which we must be saved the name of Jesus.  And now is the time to be talking about that. I’m impressed that you and the people of IHOP pray for the salvation of Israel.

Misty: Yes.

Sid: Why is that so important to you?

Misty: Oh, I think that’s central because it’s the remnant of Israel who love Yeshua and are crying out “Come Lord Jesus return” that will bring Him back to the planet.  I mean it’s Jesus that’s coming back and you know that if a Jewish person doesn’t love Jesus there is no other way to eternal salvation.  And so love for them, I want them to know their Messiah as God.  And so praying for the salvation of Israel I believe is one of the primary reasons the Lord is raising up a worldwide worship and prayer movement, it’s a global movement.  It’s far bigger than just Kansas City, but all across the earth the Lord is raising up a company of people who are like watchmen on the wall crying out for the salvation of Israel and also willing to lay down their lives for the sake of this salvation.

Sid: Well, you know in the…we were talking yesterday about Matthew 25. Matthew 25 talks about the separation of goats and sheep.  Goat nations and sheep nations, sheep nations follows the shepherd the goat has a mind of his own.  And the bottom line as I read that and it just exploded in me was “What makes a nation or an individual a sheep nation; what makes an individual a goat or a sheep?”  And this is what Jesus says in Matthew 25:40 “As you have done unto the least of one of these my brethren you’ve done unto me.” And I looked up the word brethren and it means “His brothers and sisters from the womb”, the Jewish people. So I believe the dividing line of phony believers and authentic believer in the last days will be a true Biblical understanding and heart for the Jewish people in Israel.

Misty: I agree with that and I believe because it’s offensive to a lot of believers; offensive that Jesus chose one people you know.  It offense the mind, it offends the heart and the Lord says “Are you really in it for Me; like do you really have an allegiance to Me and if you do then you will love who I have chosen; you will agree with Me if it comes down to His Lordship and His right to choose and His right to choose the people that He chose.  So I believe it is the dividing line and those of us who love Jesus will love what He’s doing.  And just in more of an emotional way these are His real brethren His flesh and blood so why wouldn’t we love, why wouldn’t we stand with His flesh and blood?

Sid:  We’re coming to the wrap up here’s a young girl you knew life was short you have to believe it’s even shorter now that you are in your 30’s.  Tell me why is it people don’t talk about the day of the Lord and Jesus the judge. I mean that’s not politically popular in churches today.

Misty: It’s not I believe there is a lot of misunderstanding around you know the face of Jesus the judge.  A lot of people think you know all of that judgment has already occurred but if you read those passages I mean it’s so…if you take them at face value it’s so clear what’s coming to the planet. And His zeal to bring forth His kingdom of love you know he’s going to eradicate the earth as evil, of pride of arrogance and He’s going to exalt the humble and He’s going to set up His throne in Jerusalem and rule the universe from Jerusalem and that’s going to be not an easy take over.  He’s not going to just wave His hand and do that you know He’s coming as a man; as a warrior to fight on behalf of the poor and fight for Israel.  And it’s going to be an intense transition but I believe it’s literal and it’s going to happen.

Sid: Do you believe that you’re going to be alive when Jesus returns.

Misty: Oh, I would hope so; you know I…

Sid: I mean is this the generation?

Misty: I believe that it’s my generation, maybe the next ones right under me, but I have a sense this generation. I haven’t had a thus sayeth the Lord moment, but just from looking around at the signs of the times from reading the scripture everything is pointing in that direction.

Sid: Well, you talk about we’re entering into a time of a great shaking.  What do you mean about that?

Misty: I believe that we’re already in you know a political, economic, religious shaking but I believe that according to the book of Revelation, and the book of Daniel, the book of Isaiah, Matthew and Jesus Himself that there will be a time of great trouble across the entire earth economically, politically, spiritually.  And it will be at the hand of God ultimately, I mean there’s always the devils involvement you know the sin of man creations own groan other several factors that are coming that are creating this crisis but ultimately God is taking the earth and shaking everything that can be shaken as He’s trying to get the attention of the world to deal with Him.  They have to make up their mind what they believe or what they want.

Sid: You were praying for America and one of the few times in your life you heard the eternal audible voice of God, what did He say to you?

Misty: He said I was praying intensely crying out for mercy, we were a very anointed prayer time and I was focused on mercy entirely and I hear the thunderous voice of the Lord.  And He says “What’s it to you if I raise up a man like an axe in my hand to judge my church; what’s it to you My shepherd lie, they lie about My deity, they lie about my humanity, they lie about My first coming and they lie about My second coming.  They lie, what’s it to you if I raise up a man like in axe in my hand to judge My church?” I was completely thrown off, completely it was not the direction I was thinking or praying, and I just began to weep and cry out you know according to Jeremiah 23 “That the Lord would raise up shepherds who are after his heart who are not making money off the sheep, or distorting the truth in order to be more socially relevant but loyal to the truth, loyal to Jesus.  And even now when I’m saying it I just feel like I could weep crying out for these shepherds.  He is against the lies that are rising up in the church.

Sid: If you love her music; if you love the way she speaks I believe she has a spiritual DNA to get you to hunger like you’ve never hungered before for the presence of God.  Tell me real briefly about this song “Light of Your Face”

Misty: Oh, “Light of Your Face” is taken from the priestly blessing over the priest of Israel would sing it or say it over the people.  “May the Lord bless you and keep you and cause His face to shine upon you.”  And I just turned it around into a prayer it’s one of my favorite prayer requests before the Lord and one of my favorite things to prophecy.

Sid: “Light of Your Face” worship excerpt.

Sid: My guest, Rich Vera, is red hot for the Messiah. If you had had the experience he had, I mean going to heaven being given a supernatural gift where he just looks at people and knows what’s going on inside of them; he knows about their future. As a matter of Rich you were telling me off the air that many times you can’t watch Christian television because you know too much.

Rich: That’s correct. In fact, I make a choice not to because the same Spirit that reveals to me when I’m in front of a person. I get to see, you know, so many things and sometimes they don’t match with their actions, so I just stay away.

Sid: I understand in a way it’s such a fabulous gift you have, but in another way… You know what it reminds me of a guy once that had the same type of gift you have. He said “You know Sid sometimes I wish there was shield between myself and the person I’m talking to. I don’t want to know what they’re thinking.”

Rich:  Exactly, you know really it is a gift that you can you personally in trouble because it is very easy to go from there to criticism and judgment. So what really keeps you it’s walking in the love of God knowing that God loves people, and no matter what they’re going through there’s always a way out.  So it’s like you said “It can get you into trouble sometimes.”

Sid: Okay, I want to take you back to the beginning, in my opinion based on studying the notes of your life. You’ve got a free ticket to Orlando, but that was not what you thought it was. You thought it was an opportunity to go to Disney, to go to bars, to have fun. So you rent a room and the owner of the rooming house just happened to be a member of Benny Hinn’s church. Why did you even go with her to a meeting?

Rich:  Actually that’s correct. I just turn 18 so I had the legal to go and do things that I could not as a young, young person. I took the pass, the ticket, because it was a free ticket to go away from home and do something without my parents finding out.  When I went to Orlando I was fully intending on going out to the clubs, going out as a young man meets some girls, just live it up. It happens to be a very rainy day in Orlando, and Orlando when it rains it really rains in Florida. I didn’t have a car so I had to walk, catch the bus anywhere I went. The lady asked me if I would like to go and get something to eat. She said “I’ll buy you something.” So as an 18 year old kid if you’re going to buy me some food I’m going to say “Yes.” So I went and we went to Burger King, and she said “Order whatever you want.” I order an extra-large of this and extra milkshake, and extra this. In the middle of my eating she looks at me and says “How about going to church tonight with me?” I saw myself eating all the food she just bought me and if I was going to say no I thought she was going to charge me for it. So I said “You know what…” I thought to myself “Let’s go to the mass, 45 minutes, you know, get out and she’s happy and you have free food.”

Sid: What did you think when you saw people being healed when miracles started happening at that Benny Hinn service?

Rich:  You know never in my life went to a Christian church, never anyone ever witnessed to me the Gospel. My only experience was the mass. When I walk in the place I was really overcome by the presence of the Holy Spirit, now I know it to be. Back then I had no idea what it was, so I felt the desire to cry, and cry, and cry, and like an electrical current will go in and out of my body. So I was first of all overcome by that, and that caught my attention. That’s what caused me to stay and not walk out in the parking lot waiting for the lady to get out. Then suddenly Pastor Benny comes out and begins to sing some worship, and I don’t know what he preached, what he said cause the whole time I was overcome by the presence of God, until he started calling people out. There was a young man with a brain tumor, or brain cancer, and the mom comes up and the young man was healed, and the head was large and being reduced. Another young man who dove into a pool with little water broke his neck and was paralyzed; got out of the wheelchair was walking, they were crying. He prayed for them, you know, the power of the Spirit touched them. Anna was completely hooked to it because the presence the Lord plus what I was seeing it grip my heart. I just knew there was something to it that was beyond a church show.

Sid: But then that evening at 2:30 in the morning, something happened to you that, I assume this has never happened to you before.

Rich:  Yes it is true I have never had a supernatural experience before in my life, never sought it. I was the most disqualified person to have a spiritual experience; I mean I was a church goer by name, yet living the life of any worldly teenager out there. I went to the house and there was a Bible place on the table next to our bed, I was used to seeing Bibles all my life so it wasn’t a big deal having a Bible. I felt something inside of me put a desire to read the red writings of Jesus in the book of John. Well as a Catholic I was familiar with the scriptures to a point, and I was always fascinated by the writings the red words of the Bible. I always loved them. So I opened up and started reading them and I fell asleep reading the red words of the Jesus in the Bible. Around 2:30 in the morning, and I know it was that time because the alarm clock had the big red numbers. About 2:30 in the morning I felt somebody had come into my room and turned the lights on. So my reaction was to sit up and see who came into the room, and the moment I sat up an invisible hand hit me on the chest and nailed me back on the bed, my entire body got paralyzed. It felt like electricity on my body; I couldn’t move my fingers all I do was move my eyes, and my heart was beating with fear, and suddenly through the door, without opening the door, the whole room became, I said the lights were on, and I see 2 individuals walk through the door. The moment they walked in I experienced a vision, the first time I experienced a vision. I saw this mass of people as far as the eye could see. Everybody was wearing black clothes and black hoods, and way at the end there was a small little door with a bright light and instantly I knew that was the place I wanted to be. Because of the press of people I wasn’t able to get to the light, and I saw the hands of the Lord stretch towards me, not saying a word just a smile on His face with hands stretched towards me. I ignore Him and I try to climb on top of people to get to the light, and I keep falling on the ground. In my frustration I thought to myself “Maybe He can help me.” On the moment my hand stretched out and my finger touched His finger, my middle finger touch His middle finger, in that second I was taken from the back of the line and found myself inside this room that was bright, and the light was going around me, going through me; the light was an incredible light but all I did was weep and weep and weep. Suddenly after crying I opened my eyes and I see the Lord and He tells me something, He said “Nothing will separate you from the love of God. When you are 21 years of age I am going to have a plan for your life and you will preach My word, and you will do what I have for your life. I had no idea what He meant all I know is that I was crying so hard that I felt inside of me just to embrace Him. So my body hug the lower part of His body and He lay His hands on the back of my head and I felt currents of that same electricity I felt at the church. Now it was flowing up and down my body, and then suddenly He left, went out through the door, the room went back to darkness, the hand let me go from the bed, and I jump up on my feet and I open the door looked to the right to the left, the house was dark. Went into the bathroom couldn’t believe that I was crying like a little baby, could not believe. I raise my hands in the bathroom and I said “From now on I know that You are the Christ and I put my faith in you.” Instantly in that bathroom this weird foreign language begins to come out of my mouth; I felt my mouth by itself beginning to jibber and talk, and I had no idea what it was, and I was filled with the Holy Spirit and began praying in tongues right in that bathroom.

Sid: Then a week later you heard the audible voice of God; what did He say to you?

Rich:  I went every single day to the church, never made it to the clubs, never made it to Disney, it’s like the Lord took me and took every desire out; all I wanted more of this experience. I went to church, it was a Sunday night, leaving out of a healing service. Benny Hinn used to have healing services every Sunday night. I was leaving the healing service maybe 10pm there was young guy on a motorcycle who said “I’ll give you a ride if you don’t mind riding on a bike,” and I said “Not at all, and I’m staying so many miles away.” He told me go ahead and wear my helmet, it’s for safety.” So I put the helmet on, we are leaving the parking lot, not even 2 blocks from the church, I hear from inside of the helmet a voice like a radio talk to me and says “You’re not going back.” I took the helmet out and look inside the helmet and I told my friend “Jesus just talked to me right now!” He goes “What?” I said “Jesus is inside of my helmet, and He just told me that I’m not going back.”

Sid: [Laughing]

Rich: He pulls to the side and tells me “What do you mean He’s inside, He’s not inside of your helmet.” So I’m looking inside of the helmet and I say “The voice came” and I’m patting the helmet, and I just knew instantly, of course my friend was laughing thinking I’m just being fanatical or crazy.

Sid: But you know that was such an important word because had you left and gone home, you wouldn’t of been discipled and mentored, became a youth leader; but you had such an insatiable hunger for the presence of God you would pray hours every day and you began to hear God’s voice clearly, even without that motorcycle helmet. Seriously I can’t wait for everyone to hear what happened when you went to heaven because when you went to heaven you were given skills to allow people to enter the glory of God. How to live in the glory; how to have everything they need in the glory of God; healings occur, creative miracles occur, you begin to hear God’s voice for yourself; you’re restored in every area of your life.

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah her name Sharon Allen. She’s one of the 10 Jewish people that I put in my book that God directed me to write. It’s called “They Thought for Themselves.” We found out all this week Sharon who was raised in an observant Jewish home went to the West Coast, she married a man that wasn’t Jewish, but they were members of a very religious Jewish synagogue. Her husband participated; it was time now for him to convert to Judaism, and everything was going fine, but because this was an Orthodox group of Jews he had to renounce Jesus. He said “I’m not willing to do it” and Sharon was shocked. She knew he came from a Christian background, but he never went to church, he never read the Bible, his god was money he was in Real Estate business. So to prove that he was, as she put it “mashugah,” that’s a Hebrew word for “crazy.” She started reading the scriptures, and reading, the more she read the more convinced she was that Jesus was in fact the Messiah. Then she said “I’ll know what I’ll do I’ll read all the Jewish commentaries. So she got quite a library; she read all the Jewish commentaries she could get her hands on. Then she started reading what are called anti-missionary books. These are books written by rabbis, or Jewish people that want to prove Jesus is not the Messiah. She got into quite an exchange with a man that wrote one of the more famous anti-missionary books his name is Gerald Sigal. On yesterday’s broadcast you said that you would argue with him because now you had read the scriptures for yourself, and he would make statements that were untrue. You wouldn’t leave it alone, for instance, he said “Jesus could not be the Messiah because there’s no women in Jewish genealogies, and what did you say?

Sharon: Well in 1st Chronicles, in the Hebrew scriptures in the book of Chronicles, 1st Chronicles, there are most definitely are women in that Jewish genealogy. There were things like that that kept occurring.

Sid: But Sharon, I mean it’s overwhelming, everything you’re doing is pointing to as you call Him, “That Man,” Yeshua, Hebrew for Jesus. Why didn’t you just believe in Him, what’s stopping you?

Sharon: To me it was the most important decision that anyone could ever make, and because of my background I was so concerned about making a mistake that there was just no way I was going to believe in something that I felt was “goyisha.” So I just could not understand, you know, how this confusion could even happen because if Jesus is for the Jewish people why wouldn’t the rabbis have understood that? Of course, I was always raised to respect my rabbis, to believe what my rabbis would say, and this is the most important decision in anyone’s life is God, making a choice for God. So it was just so difficult for me, but it’s true. Everywhere I looked, everywhere I turned, everything I heard, everything read, everything I saw kept pointing me into the direction that what they say about Yeshua is true.

Sid: Now, your daughter of course, as you explained earlier this week, is going to what you would expect the Hebrew academy, a nice Jewish school. You find out they’re having a meeting at this school with a very famous rabbi. Tell me what was this meeting?

Sharon: Well my rabbi, Rabbi Mendel Duchman, had called me and he had said “You know at Alisa’s school there’s going to be this very famous deprogrammer. He is actually an internationally known deprogrammer by the name of Rabbi Immanuel Schochet.  He’s going to be speaking at Hebrew Academy, and maybe you can go and maybe at some point you can ask him to help you.” So Ron and I, and Alisa decided we would go. We were very excited about going, we were comfortable about going because this is my daughters school we know everyone there. Before we went we had devised a plan, and this was the plan we would go we would sit very quietly in the audience, we wouldn’t say a word. Then after the meeting was over, and only after everyone was leaving then I would quietly go up to the rabbi and ask him if he would please help me. So we went, we went that evening; we sat up front because this was Alisa’s school we were very comfortable there, and Alisa was on one side of me, and Ron was on the other, and we sat there. We listened to the rabbi, the rabbi spoke about Israel, a little bit about the Jewish people, and traditions. This was really being used as an outreach to the Jewish community so that those that were not sending their children may decide “Yes” they would like to send their children to a Hebrew day school like Hebrew Academy. When the rabbi was finished speaking he opened it up to the audience. The first person raises their hand and says “I have a question. You know I don’t know what we’re going to do about the missionaries who are in the area.” The rabbi said “You don’t have to worry about the missionaries in the area you just have a Jewish home and you don’t have to worry.” He said “Does anyone else have any questions?” The second person raises their hand, says “Rabbi you don’t understand these missionaries are having meetings with our children in the area, and we don’t know what to say to them.” The rabbi said “Look if you send your children to a Jewish day school like Hebrew Academy you don’t have to worry.” Now the third person raises their hand and says “Rabbi you don’t understand the situation there are missionaries that are having Bible studies with our children, and our children are bringing home scriptures that we don’t understand.” Well at that point the rabbi became quite animated he was standing on a platform, and he had a podium in front of him. He grabbed the sides of the podium, and he sort of brought his body up over the podium and loomed out into the audience, and he shouted “Never ever under any circumstance does any knowledgeable Jew who has a Jewish home who understands Yiddish kite, who knows their Judaism ever turns to ‘That Man!’” I was in shock because I thought he’s talking to me, and so I grabbed Alisa’s hand and I said “Do you think I should say something?”  Alisa said “Yes mommy” and I grabbed Ron’s hand, and I said “Do you think I should say something?” Ron said “Yes.” So I said to the rabbi “What do you say to somebody like me I have a Jewish home, I know Yiddish kite, I am a Jewish woman who understands Judaism, but when I read my Bible,” and I had brought my Hebrew Bible with me and I was holding it in my hand. Then I said “But when I read my Hebrew Bible I see ‘That Man.’” Well from that moment until the end of the evening, which was about 12 midnight…

Sid: Now you’re pretty bold Sharon. I mean up until this point… now you’re publicly saying something.

Sharon: I couldn’t help myself. After the third person asks the same question and the rabbi was so emphatic with his answer. My daughter said “Yes,” and my husband said “Yes” I felt I had to say something. When I said that from that moment on the rabbi and I were in direct dialog the rest of the evening, until about 12 midnight. During the course, during the course of the discussion between he and I, both my husband and I would say “Maybe we should let someone else talk.” The audience themselves would say “No we’re interested in what you’re saying, and what you’re talking about.” Because the rabbi and I were talking about scripture, we were talking about Jewish history, we were talking about Yiddish kite, we were talking about traditions that the Orthodox Jewish people keep, which seems to point to the idea that we do need to sacrifice even if we don’t have the temple any longer. Because the Orthodox Jews we still have certain traditions that we do. Such as on Yom Kippur before Yom Kippur the Orthodox Jewish people, for the man they take a rooster and 3 times they turned the rooster over their head, they swirl the rooster over the head say “May this rooster, may my sins be put onto this rooster.” If it’s a woman…

Sid: Well you know Sharon my father was raised in Poland his father, my grandfather, used to do the same thing because you see the Talmud says “You can’t even have Yom Kippur, the day of Atonement, without the shedding of blood.” Let’s pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast.