It's Supernatural

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Elisabeth Syre and she’s from South Africa but I’m catching up with her in Virginia. She is a holocaust survivor that… it’s a miracle that she’s alive and she walks in miracles. But one of the greatest miracles, one of the greatest releases of miracles, a lot of people don’t think in these terms but there is a key to the release of miracles. It has to do with forgiving supernaturally. Tell me about that woman that you met I believe you said that she… you could tell she was involved in the holocaust except on the wrong side and she was probably taking care of women in the death camps that were ready to be murdered. Tell me about that woman.

Elisabeth: I met her in the area of Stuttgart in Germany in a meeting of the Full Gospel Businessmen’s Fellowship. She was standing there hard faced, no smile, no expression and I knew that she needed to be touched by God, but somehow I felt “I wonder what is behind this face?” Then I saw the watch of my grandmother on my hand, on my wrist, which my grandmother died in the holocaust. So this scripture comes to my mind Psalm 126:5 for it says “If you sow in tears you shall reap in joy.” I just started to sow my watch onto that lady…

Sid: Wait a second Elisabeth! That watch was dear to you it had sentimental value that was from your grandmother. Probably the only thing you had.

Elisabeth: Yes.

Sid: How could you do that?

Elisabeth: I realized that I loved the Lord much more than anything else. It was like a sacrifice, something broke in me. I just had such a tremendous burning love for the Lord Yeshua, for Jesus Himself, that He died for me and He gave me life that I was alive I wasn’t dead. I actually had found life, I wasn’t in that hole in the ground anymore where there was no food for me. My bones from my head had not grown together because of a lack of milk as a baby, but here I am strong enough. “Lord I am so thankful for my life. I’m alive.” So what is that watch in comparison to a life. I took it off and I put it on her wrist and I said “This is from the Lord Himself for you, it’s a sacrifice for me. I want to tell you I love you no matter what you have done in the war” She burst out in tears fell on her knees, gave her life to the Lord, called her husband he was saved as well and after that she totally changed. I went on the next train in Germany was without any watch and I thought “How foolish could I be.” You know that was my feeling again. Then the women who I gave my grandmother’s watch to stood at the train station with a brand new watch in her hand she had just bought. She said to me “I have found a new life, I have found forgiveness in Yeshua, in Jesus. This is a sign of a new life and you can take it with you. I’ll keep the old watch of your mother.” I said “Thank you Lord you have forgiven me for having such a hard heart towards people.” She was forgiven by the Lord Himself. It says clearly in Psalm 61 it says “He will give us the oil of joy for mourning and the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness for they might be called trees of righteousness the planting of the Lord.” I just realized suddenly something in me broke. I had forgiven a person who done probably the most awful deeds, but she was forgiven through the Lord Himself. Therefore the watch I am carrying right now speaks about new life. Many people get sick because they cannot forgive but forgiveness is the key to true joy, joy that comes from the inside not from the outside. I was so changed after that that I could face any person whether it would be a terrorist, or a Satanist, or whoever that might be, I knew that I had enemies such… in that forgiveness and joy. Everything was broken and I could continue. Then on that trip and I was speaking in many meetings over Europe, people gave me watches as a sign that they also wanted to forgive. So I came home to South Africa through the airport and in my pockets were over 40 watches and when I went through the airport…

Sid: I was thinking you might have had a problem going through customs with 40 watches (laughing).

Elisabeth: (Laughing) Yes it was clicking all over the place. They were not new watches but I had watches for Africa. Then the customs officer “Can you go back again we want to check it.” I opened my purse I said “Do you mean these coins?” He said “Oh go straight on.” I could bring over 40 watches to all the poor pastors of Cape Town people that we related to everyone got a watch. I told them the story and things have never been the same. They have a proper watch which they have never had before. I was free and the woman was free, and so this is something God gave me to share with you. That forgiveness is the key to miracles.

Sid: Elisabeth you’ve seen so many miracles, for instance, you have prayed for many women that couldn’t have babies that did. Two of them that actually had hysterectomies, tell me about one of these women.

Elisabeth: This was in Holland in Amsterdam. I prayed for a lady who had been to the doctors and could not receive babies. She came forward and I didn’t know what her story was, she had underpants of her husband with her as well in the meetings. She said “Would you lay hands on these pants?” I looked at the pastor and at the leadership and he laughed and he said “Carry on praying she’s got a lot of faith.” I laid hands, both hands on the pants, and suddenly what happened I was laughing myself, I found it quite a funny situation. She took those pants and said “It’s mine! It’s mine! It’s mine!” and she went back to her seat. The next year I came back and she was pregnant with twins. A year later, I think it was last year or the year before I saw 2 children on her arm, a little boy and a little girl. The girl is called Elisabeth and the boy is called David, the girl was called after me. God did a matching miracle there and it opened the doors in Amsterdam for many ministries.

Sid: You’ve prayed for women that been barren 15 or 20 years.

Elisabeth: Yes.

Sid: I mean that is… (laughing) but someone with a hysterectomy I mean talk about a miracle. One of the other keys you’ve mentioned to miracles or secrets is fear the Lord and respect what He does. What do you mean by that?

Elisabeth: To have full trust in Him and not to actually trust man in the first place. That sometimes takes a sacrifice because people will say “Oh be careful you know could be prosecuted for praying or for believing in this.” Still to put your faith on the line, this is what happened when I prayed for a pregnant mother in Cape Town who had, the doctors said she had water head baby who has no brains in her body, she need to abort it. She came to me and said “Can the Lord do a miracle?” I said “He is in miracles.” I prayed, I don’t lightly say something like that I really have to hear the Lord. I heard clearly the Lord said “Are you willing to put your whole ministry on the line for me?” I said “Yes Lord I will I love you too much.” Then I stood with this woman and by the time that the baby was being born, she believed she said “I believe that this baby is going to be fine.” We were the only two who believed it plus her husband. When we went into the hospital all the x-rays showed a water head and no brain, but by the time the baby was born a miracle happened. The baby started to shout, to scream, or to cry and started to drink from the mother straight away. I was in tears by that time because a baby without a brain cannot do that, cannot drink from a mother. The head looked totally normal. We saw a whole lot of doctors standing around this mother saying “We have to do more test. We have to do more test.” I went into the office of the hospital he took all the records that stated the baby was a cabbage and she dressed herself and her husband took all her clothes. We left the hospital with the baby and today that baby is 8 years old, normal brains goes, normally to school, healed in the womb of the mother. This is one of the miracles I will never forget it changed my whole heart to the Lord. I knew that He could so much more than I could do.

Sid: You know one of the keys that you were talking about is respecting what God is doing and what God is doing right now is having mercy on Israel. What God is doing right now is equipping Christians to move in the supernatural. What God is doing right at this moment is giving Christians Jewish hearts because it’s all coming together. Our ministry is operating in… I mean it’s beyond my wildest imagine. The fact that we’re on almost every home in Israel primetime secular television, other parts of the world. We have a book ministry almost 400, 000 of these books have been distributed to Russians and many of them are running with the clothing on their back to Israel.

Sid: My guest is a man by the name of Leif Hetland and Leif is known as the Ambassador of love. I have heard and you have too of a water baptism, I have heard and you have too of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire. But how many have heard of the baptism of love. Before we get into this because Leif said that had a greater profound change in his life than even the baptism in the Holy Spirit. I believe that impartation when you just listen to him speak is going to jump off of him onto you. So you get to know Leif a little bit Leif where were you born?

Leif: I was born in Norway on the southwest coast and that’s why I have an accent.

Sid: And your parents were Pentecostal, but at age 9 you had an amazing supernatural experience that you didn’t even comprehend at 9 what happened?

Leif: Well I was sitting underneath a tree and I know it’s hard for people that know me today to believe that I was pretty shy of nature. I was actually at that age still sucking my thumb other kids was playing. We had a tree back yard and I was just sitting there I don’t know if I was half depressed but at least felt a little heavy. There was like a wind that came in but it was not the regular wind that we have in the southwest coast of Norway because it was just around where I was sitting around a tree I just suddenly saw all the tree branches everything else just started to swirl around. And next all of these small little lights started glistening and the presence of God. I didn’t know how to describe the presence of God but it was just a major encounter like I am here, I see you, I know you, I have found you underneath this tree. And there was something that took place in me that as a 9 year old I didn’t know how to process it, but it did something with me that I kind of put on the self I didn’t even tell anybody or talk about it it was just such an overwhelming experience where did this wind come from, where’s all of these lights, where is I don’t know it was an audible voice but the voice was clear enough that somebody’s speaking to me that says that “I see you and I know you and I’ve called you.”

Sid: Okay many years later your I believe it was England and speaking at a conference with Randy Clark and James Malone, and James had which he has quite often because he’s been a guest on our show an open vision and what did he see?

Leif: Yeah it was very unusual because as a speaker in a conference that he called me to come forward but he said “Leif I want you to come forward.” And it was like he had this panoramic vision where he saw like…he took me to 4 different places. And the first one back to when I was 9 years old and he described my backyard he described the tree, he described the wind and the light in the tree and how God was speaking to me. And at that moment well I cried just talking about it because at that moment I realized that the encounter that I had that here all of these years later this was maybe 5 years ago so I’m close to I’m 49 right now so I’m talking about I’m 44 years old at the time. So all of these years later there’s been kind of a puzzle of what was actually happening and I realized that the Creator of the Universe actually knew my address suddenly showed up and angelic visitation and that there was a hand of God even at the age of 9 they came upon me and had an incredible impact. And then at a conference in front of everybody he describes the detail of that where I lived and how the tree looked like, what happened in the atmosphere all of those details. And I was back again as a 9 year old and I saw myself when he described it and in the next moment it was just like a jolt of electricity I couldn’t stand any longer and I was undone.

Sid: Well and then going back to the chronological order of your life at 12 you turned away from the Lord you got into drugs. But at 17 you had another supernatural encounter with the Lord that really changed you what happened?

Leif: Well when I was 17 at that time period it was more of an encounter with Jesus and that’s what I’ve often told people that the encounter with Jesus saved me, healed me, saved me, set me free. And it was tremendous I just fell in love with Jesus. I had known of Jesus all of my life, I’d been running from Jesus but I had never encountered Jesus. But through this encounter with Jesus I actually was a little bit high back in those days, but through the encounter with Jesus something just shifted with me and shifted the course of my life where I knew this Jesus I had met that Jesus…

Sid: Now when you say encounter that means different things to different people take me back there what happened to you?

Leif: Well yeah it’s started actually with a journey that I walked on the street and I still didn’t even know if it was an angel or a person but I walked in the street of Haugesund, a small little town of where I was living, and somebody came up to me and just started…today I knew it would be a word of knowledge meaning that Jesus was speaking something to me. This person could have been an angel, it could have been a person I do not know, but when I was finished talking to this person he was sharing different things in my life and what I was looking for and longing for it created it started the created. I mean I need this Jesus, that’s the real Jesus I have not found Him I’ve known of Him, known everything about Him but that’s the Jesus that I have been looking for. And I saw it in somebody if that was I’ve never seen the person since if that wasn’t a person or if it was an angel I cannot describe it today. But the encounter had such an impact on my life that I knew that I need to say “No to anything else and I need to say yes to this Jesus.”

Sid: Tell me in 2000 when you had what you called the baptism in the Father’s love tell me what happened, tell me the circumstances.

Leif: Yes the story leads up to because over all of these years now I am ministering I am traveling the world on the staff of a mega church. Just to give the background I am living for God but I didn’t know how to live from God. I knew the Holy Spirit I knew power traveling around doing crusade I knew Jesus but I did not know the Father I did not know Poppa God as a good Poppa. God was more distant to be honest with you He was more kind of bipolar in nature to me and it was up to me to kind of please Him and if I did the right things then He was pleasing.

Sid: Just out of curiosity what was your relationship with your natural father?

Leif: I think that it was good but it was also distant. Being Norwegian Norwegians they do not express or often show and are unable to express love and affection in a very good way. But my dad was a very good father he provided, he took care of all of those needs. And I think that God also to a certain degree was a similar God that I mean you do these different things and He takes care of you but I did not know before this encounter I did not know it had existed something called the baptism of love. And so anyway it led to I was invited to go down to Florida and the 2 gentlemen who is pretty much well known here one is Jack Taylor Dr. Jack Taylor and Charles Corn. One is 84 and 1 is 81 years old today. Back then they invited me to come down to a group of men a small group in Holiday Inn in Florida outside of Melbourne. And my desperation level was pretty great at the time because I had been living with an orphan heart and an orphan spirit, and what I mean with that I was constantly out on the field working for God but I didn’t have a home, I didn’t have a place of security and love and value and purpose. I didn’t have a place deep within me a constantly. I call it it was a black hole in my soul. I was looking for something but I didn’t know what I was looking for.

Sid: Well at that time what was your home life like your family?

Leif: Again of course when I do not do enough with God then nobody else does enough. I think we function together to the best that we can and that is because I’m saying I’m the performer I was an achiever if I do all of these different things then things was fine. Of course when that’s the way I view God that’s the way my wife she has to do certain things, the kids so there was definitely there was a lot of pain, there was a lot of hurt, there was a lot of areas and I had so many love deficiency and I was right and everybody was wrong. Because I had power I could show the anointing I could come home with a video you could see the miracles, or you could come to the meeting and you could see God showing up and they had seen that. And so even if people try to confront me on certain things because my core values I’ve got power and that proves that somehow I’m right. So I think there was a definitely a lot of dysfunction going on.

Sid: Give me a few of the symptoms of someone that might be listening to us right now that has this as you call it orphan spirit.

Leif: Now I think it’s manifested usually in 2 ways, one would be definitely be religion and the other one rebellion. And what I mean for me now it was religion and that means that it is constantly what I do for God I value God, and I value my wife, I value my kids and I value everybody. What they’re going to do for me but I’m actually in the center. Because I am looking for something in my life that only Father God can fulfill that since it is not there then I expect everybody else and when they don’t live up to it we often because we live by fear as orphans because when you don’t have a home and I’m not talking about having a nice house because you can have a nice house but you don’t have a home you don’t have a place where you’re secure in the Father’s presence then as a result of that it’s awful to be around people working for me or anything else because when I don’t do enough nobody else does enough. And so when you feel that God is pretty critical of me I’m pretty critical at people and this was constantly going on so practically speaking it was manifested in every way. You maybe didn’t see it when you were on the pulpit but the core value system is what God is going to do for me, what people is going to do but I’m in the center of everything. And that’s what the orphan world because the orphan is all about themself.

Sid: How can someone…what your describing is someone that is very self-centered even though it’s cloaked in religion and maybe very prideful.

Leif: Definitely, definitely and it was my life. Looking back at it sometimes it is very difficult to want to see a movie of my own life. It was the best that I knew and let me just say one thing is I felt God clearly says “You’re not responsible for a revelation you did not have.” So I realized that also that I just did not know, I was just not comfortable with intimacy, I was not comfortable with love and as a result of that there was constantly this I would call it just a black hole in my soul and that’s going to have to be filled somehow.

Sid: So it could be filled with drugs or and a lot of people it just doesn’t even compute in the brain it could be filled with religion. What is the difference between the religion that is wrong and the religion that is right?

Leif: I think it is a very good question because I think you’re dealing with the same issue your just two branches. One of them is constantly having a core value because all of the good things I do and that’s the core value and I think that resulted that I have value. And the other one is just pretty much giving up because pain seeks pleasure when people have all of this pain that’s what it does then I’m looking for something to escape and that religion in a negative way now you rebel you’re doing things and that’s in the secret or whatever. I think that a lot of the addiction issues, the lot of issues that people have shame, guilt, all of those things then eventually that pain is going to look for something to be able to meet some of those root issues. And of course today I met 1000’s of people…

Sid: But wait a second but let’s suppose someone has this orphan spirit as you describe they pour themselves in religion, their motivation may not be the best is that they get pleasure out of it but they’re sure doing a lot for God’s kingdom what’s so wrong with that?

Leif: What I say there’s nothing wrong it’s just that there’s something that just not right.

Sid: (Laughing)

Leif: There is an element there that what you’re constantly doing for God it’s pretty much the best of what the flesh can produce. The challenge in this is also for me is because I operate in an anointing but still fear based, it’s rooted in fear. And as a result of that you control, you tried to control people you control circumstances because there’s fear in your life. And of course we know that He has not given us a spirit of fear that’s not God but I lived in fear.

Sid: Now what was your fear over in religion?

Leif: Well in regard to religion I want to make it first of all to share that God is pleased with me and I do the right things but I also fear what people are going to think about me. What if they know the real me, what if they know the real issue not the one they see on stage but what if I open up and they saw nakedness, what if they saw transparency? What if they had a camera in my home and they started to see that after the meetings over and I coming home that the same anointing that was saw there in the meeting was not in my home? And it is not the same anointing to love my wife or love my kids or the same anointing was not there in other areas of my life.

Sid: And in other words you were performing?

Leif: You’re performing and you’re good achiever because you got your value.

Sid: I got it. Okay now let me take you to the year 2000 you’re at a small gathering Jack Taylor is there, Dennis Jernigan the singer is there, tell me what happened?

Leif: Yeah as I was saying at that time period this hidden core pain was very deep in my life and in the middle of the meeting as I was saying there was less than 100 of us together and then suddenly Dennis Jernigan said “Leif I have this song for you.” And I wish that everyone that listens will hear that song by Dennis Jernigan it’s called “The Daddy Song.” I didn’t know anything about it, but Dennis in a small setting in a corner of this little Holiday Inn room he started to play “The Daddy Song, the Father Song.” And he started to sing a love song from Poppa God over me. And I couldn’t cry because I was hard, we are Norwegian if you were to hug me in 1999 it would be like hugging a tree stump because we’re cold people, cold nature. But now there’s love touched and before you know it I laid on the floor and even Jack Taylor says “I’ve never seen a man cry that much” but I laid there.

Sid: But wait wait wait are you telling me that you never cried before?

Leif: I could cry but I’m definitely not sure but it was very seldom that you would see me cry.

Sid: Did you ever cry like that before?

Leif: No, no, no, no definitely not, no not like that.

Sid: Now there was a couple of tears might come to your eyes once in a great while but that’s about it.

Leif: That’s the closest you will even find.

Sid: Okay.

Leif: Then that would maybe be if there was a funeral or something tragic that your controlled it.

Sid: Alright.

Leif: You controlled every emotion because you don’t show emotion that’s a weakness because then people can see who you are. So laying in this floor I ended up on the floor and the presence of God and for the first time when I laid there these waves started to flow and it was like liquid love and it just continued to flow as he sang. And it’s like I’m laying there and it’s almost having an x-ray that goes back into deepened hid core pain from childhood to the 9 year old, to the 12 year old, to the 15 year old I got clear pictures of me and then the love just rinsed it away the love just healed it. The love just these waves just went in there went into those areas…

Sid: You know as you’re sharing that right now I’m feeling those waves come across the airwaves just by you rehearsing what happened.

Leif: Yeah well I’m feeling it too and so that’s probably why (Laughing).

Sid: Hm.

Leif: I’m sitting here and just start crying again but it’s just hard for me to describe these experiences without taking me back to… (crying). So I just laid there but eventually it came to the root and I know this is that there was an audible voice that only time in my life that I can say 100% certainly that this was an audible voice. I’ve heard clear voices of God that I follow but in that voice it was so clear and He says “Leif you’re My beloved, you’re my beloved Son, not the servant, not the pastor, not the apostle, not business man, not you’re My beloved son, I love you.”   And when He said the last word that’s when everything broke.

Sid: I’ll tell you what hold that thought I want to find out what happened but even more important that that you know today when Leif goes anywhere the whole atmosphere changes. And Leif says what happened to him God wants you to experience.

Sid: My guest here in the studio is Pat Holliday. She has a congregation in Jacksonville, Florida. What’s the name of your congregation Pat?

Pat:   Miracle Outreach Ministries.

Sid: That’s a pretty good name.

Pat: Yeah.

Sid: But speaking of miracles I forgot to ask you something. You said you were in 1975 you went to Jerusalem and you had a mighty encounter with God to the point where you were speaking in unknown tongues in Hebrew. You don’t speak any Hebrew and you led 25 Jewish people to the Lord and they were actually speaking back to you in Hebrew. You didn’t even know what they were saying, but the one thing that you knew when you laid hands on these people they had a power encounter with God. But God not only healed you in Jerusalem, and by the way let’s provoke a lot of people to jealousy. What did he do with your face?

Pat: He wiped His hands across my eyes and when you’re in the occult it gives you dark circles and wrinkles. It took away all of the wrinkles from my eyes and all of my family and my pastor thought I had had a face lift.

Sid: Well but the Lord also told you something about your husband who was unsaved and was he battling cancer at the time?

Pat: Not at that time.

Sid: Okay.

Pat:   But at that time he was battling his disk in his back and half of his body was paralyzed.

Sid: Oh my goodness.

Pat: And then God healed that and then later the cancer.

Sid: Well he got healed from that what happened with the cancer?

Pat: Well when the cancer came the Lord told me that he was going to live and at that time I didn’t believe it because I knew what the doctor said. So he did live, I told Shambach when he came to town that “Well he can’t die because he sleeps in the bed with me and the anointing keeps him alive.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Pat: But what happened is he lived 18 years after the Lord healed him from that cancer.

Sid: What kind of cancer did he have?

Pat:   It was just in the stomach. All of the doctors were just amazed because he was in the pharmaceutical business and they knew him very well. So he survived that. But what happened to me, I was traveling and evangelizing in the Caribbean and having a ball of my life. But my husband said “I know I’m healed but I don’t want you to leave me,” you know he was insecure. So I gave up my evangelistic ministry at that time and joined Dr. Eboni in Jacksonville who is my present pastor and taught in the seminary for 8 years. He used to have a miracle service coming out of his church. So it’s like the Lord took me out of sight for all of this time but it was during this time that I wrote a lot of books that are going to be published.

Sid: So in affect there are a lot of people that have been on the shelf for a long time that God is now bringing up. Are you available to speak in churches… But Pat very few Christians understand the deliverance ministry. At the time that you got into it who taught you, I mean you read a book, you read a simple book on deliverance to get free yourself but you literally learned by the Spirit of God.

Pat: By the Spirit of God.

Sid: Tell me about one deliverance.

Pat:   There was a group that came from church to swim in the pool and to be baptized and after the meeting 2 young boys stayed back. This one your boy that was like retarded and so his brother said “He needs a miracle.” And I said “Well God can give him a miracle. And I touched him and he fell out under the power. And back in those days everybody wasn’t moving with that anointing only Kathryn Kuhlman and a few people. You know Sid she said “This is going all over the world and the devil cannot stop it and that’s what she was talking about was the slaying power of the Holy Ghost. And so I was explaining to this boy what had happened. And I said “Oh he fell out under the Spirit God’s going to heal him.” This boy says “Mrs. Holliday I was at a prayer meeting the other night and I was on the floor and they were trying to cast a devil out of me and I was hitting my head up against the furniture” and he said “I just can’t get it out of my mind.” I said “Well let me pray for you God doesn’t want you tormented like that.” And I touched him and he fell down on the floor and his whole face started contorting and I had read a few books by then and so I said “You come out of him in the Name of Jesus” like that. And the spirit left and when he came up off the floor his face was just shining like Moses when he came down the mountain. You know Sid God used to bring people to my house from counties away and they would knock on my door and they said “Jesus told me come here that you could help me.” And I’d look at them and I say I don’t know what to do” you know. But they would come in and the Lord would tell me what to do. And I had seen homosexuals delivered, lesbians, I had seen anything and everything that you could think of. And back in those days preachers were saying homosexuality you were just born that way. Well it’s a demon, that’s all it is it’s a demon just like AIDS. And I can tell you cancers a demon too I’ve cast it out many times.

Sid: Let me ask you a question, there seems to be a new phenomena, if you will, a new trend going on today. Young children are taking antidepressants or they’re hyper and they have to be given Ritalin and all of these drugs. I think it has something to do with what is invading the home on television. Invading the children through movies, what do you think?

Pat: And Harry Potter, I believe it’s real because we had a young man to come to the church Friday and he was totally demon possessed 6 years old.

Sid: Six years old!

Pat:   And he was totally, I’m telling you like an adult. Totally demon possessed and God delivered him, but the children…

Sid: One of my secretaries was telling me about a young boy that his parents don’t even know these curse words was cursing like a sailor.

Pat: Hmm, hm.

Sid: It was a demon.

Pat:   And they’re picking it up off of these cartoons also on television.

Sid: Oh, these cartoons are so New Agey.

Pat:  And witchcraft, it’s just loaded.

Sid: But what about movies like “Lord of the Rings?”

Pat:   Well “Lord of the Rings” is a movie that is really bad, it’s got a lot of demonology in it. And it’s twisted if you understand, it’s a mixture of Christianity a little bit.

Sid: So why do pastors say it’s wonderful, national radio pastors.

Pat: They just don’t know any better. Do you know that there were some national radio pastors that said that “Harry Potter” was okay?

Sid: Oi vey!

Pat: If I told you I know what that means Sid I used to date a Jewish man. Oi vey.

Sid: Oh okay.

Pat: But see they don’t know because what they’ve done is they’ve taken a little portion of the Bible and they beat it and beat it for the money. And some of them are living sumptuously like kings and queens and they’re calling for the people to give them the money. The people give them the money thinking that they too are going to be rich. And…

Sid: Your just talking about the gospel of greed.

Pat:   Yeah.

Sid: That’s what I call it.

Pat: Exactly.

Sid: I call it the gospel of greed and I wonder sometimes if Christians were to give money to expand God’s kingdom if they knew they wouldn’t get a reward until they got to heaven. And you know what if they feel they need the reward in this life. And by the way the scripture says they will, but if that’s why they’re giving it’s the gospel of greed.

Pat: I agree.

Sid: I don’t know how we got there but…

Pat: But the point is that’s the majority of what’s being taught. They don’t teach about Jesus, they don’t give altar calls, they don’t ask them to come up and be healed.

Sid: Well many of them do but still there’s a mixture there. Pat let me ask you about someone that is depressed all the time could that be a demon?

Pat: It could be a demon from the outside of a person or from the inside of a person. And demons of oppression and depression are some of the most serious demons because the person loses life, they lose their joy, they get twisted image of Jesus. But it can easily be cast out, it’s the easiest thing.

Sid: That’s the sad part they don’t have to take an antidepressants and get medicine the rest of their life.

Pat: Yeah, they don’t have to take it anymore.

Sid: But most pastors unfortunately either have this doctrine that a Christian can’t be oppressed or have a demon, or they don’t know anything about it, or they’re afraid of the whole deal.

Pat: That’s right and if they look at what’s going on in their church they’ll know something demonic is happening because people are not sitting and stable under any pastor today they’re going from one little field to the other.

SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest heard a word from God, which has revolutionized his life. God said, this year is the year of God’s supernatural favor. But you must be in the right position. You must understand how favor operates. And when he starts talking about this, trust me, waves, I mean waves of supernatural favor are going to come upon you. I am so excited about the revelation that God has given Keenan Bridges on favor. For starters, Keenan, what does the word “favor” really mean, coming from a biblical perspective?

KYNAN: Well “favor” is a very powerful word that comes from the Hebrew word, “chin” and “chin” is dealing with delight, charm and preferential treatment. So when we talk about favor, we’re talking about when there is a specific grace and anointing on your life that sets you away from the crowd. It sets you apart from the rest. You are looked at as special. You are looked at as different. People like you. People want to do things for you. People want to be a blessing to you. So when we talk about supernatural favor, we go into another level. We’re now talking about Heaven itself smiling on you.

SID: It’s not just, you know, we know about charisma. There are certain people that just have a natural charisma. They’re not even believers in God. But you’re talking, I love the way you put it, God smiling on you. I love that, Kynan.

KYNAN: Absolutely. In fact, if you go to Genesis 39, there’s a unique figure we discovered. His name is Joseph. And the Bible says that Joseph goes down to Potiphar’s house, which is an Egyptian. He’s sold into slavery. And the Bible says that, “Joseph found favor in the eyes of the Egyptian.” Now this is not about charisma. It’s not about good looks. For goodness sake, he was slave. It didn’t get any worse than that. But when Heaven is smiling up you, it doesn’t matter what situation you’re in, it doesn’t matter what barriers you face, God will make a way where there seems to be no way when you learn about His supernatural favor.

SID: Can everyone walk, 24/7, in this supernatural favor or is it just people that God says, I’m going to make Joseph my favorite.

KYNAN: Well good question. But you know what’s interesting? Galatian 3 says that, “The blessing of Abraham has come upon the gentiles through Jesus so that we might receive the promise of the spirit in faith.” In other words, anyone that makes Yeshua their Lord has access to the supernatural favor of God. Now as the old folks used to say where I’m from, favor ain’t fair. Now I know that’s not good English. But it simply means that favor is not about fairness. It’s about access. Those who access the favor of God will have access to God’s eternal promises. They will have access to God’s power. They will have access to God’s goodness. But here’s the kicker, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

SID: I love it. Now God showed you what is going to happen this year in America, in reference to favor. And then just like last night, He spoke to you. Tell me about that.

KYNAN: Literally, the Lord woke me up early this morning. Now that’s a miracle in itself, by the way. So God wakes me up and He tells me, He says, “Son, I want you to go now and read Psalm, Chapter 22, Verse 28.” I said, okay, Lord. Now I read that before, but there was something so different about it. It was something almost eerie about the text, and especially when we talk about prophetic timing. And so I got to the verse, and all of a sudden I’m reading the scriptures and it jumps off the page, and the revelation hits me. The Bible says in Psalm 22:28 that God is the king, His kingdom is of all the earth, and He is the ruler of the nations. And from my little Hebrew that I know it’s the word “mashal”. It means one who has dominion over another. Now this is the key. In 2014, where we are today, God says that there are two kingdoms that exist in the earth today. There’s the kingdom of light and there’s the kingdom of darkness. Our ability to walk under the blessing is contingent upon how we align ourselves. Remember when we, America, we’re known as a godly nation, even on our currency: “One Nation Under God”. In other words, as long as America was on God’s government, America walked in the favor of God. But slowly, Sid, we’ve been coming out from under God’s government and we’ve been shifting to a government of man, which is the government of darkness. And as we’ve done that, we are literally putting a cork in the heavens and we’re stopping the rain above our nation. It’s affected our currency. It’s affected our political power. It’s affected our ability to get jobs, our economy. It’s all affected. And then these last days, only those who align themselves with Heaven’s agenda will walk under that open Heaven.

SID: Okay. If America continues on the course it’s going on, does it have to affect us? If we’re in a country that has lost the favor of God, can we still walk in that favor as an individual?

KYNAN: Now remember I said, favor ain’t fair, which means this. You remember Egypt, it was a little old nation back there some time, and in Egypt, there was a place called Goshen. It was a geographic territory in the center of Egypt. Now the trees were the same, the water was the same in Goshen. Everything was the same in Goshen except one thing. In Goshen, the people were under the government of God. Now notice what happens. Nine plagues hit Egypt and completely destroy that nation’s economic system, their socio-religious system. But in Goshen, the people were under a canopy of God’s Divine protection. So as it is in the Old Testament, so it is now. Those of us who access the favor of God, and you know the interesting thing, the word “Goshen” in Hebrew means to draw near. And this is the key, Sid. Intimacy with God is the key.

SID: But you know what the most amazing thing to me is? I know Keenan, and Kynan wasn’t always this way. His parents were told by the doctors, he’ll never get beyond the second grade. We’ll talk about it when we come back.

 

Sid: My guest, and I’m so excited to have caught up with them are Heidi and Rolland Baker from Mozambique. I caught up with them here in the United States. But Rolland is… I interviewed you previously as I mentioned to you I read a book a number of years ago and the title of the book was “Visions Beyond the Veil.” It was about a missionary that went to China and he worked with the street kids, and these street kids had more things going on from the Kingdom of God than any people I’d ever heard of. They were having visions, they were going to heaven, they were knowing things about the scriptures even before they’d even read the Bible. I remember before I put the book down I said “Boy, I’ve got to interview this man.” And I go so upset when I found out that he had already been promoted to heaven. But then I found out that his grandson is around and that’s who I have on the telephone right now, Rolland Baker. And I understand that more people have become missionaries from reading that book “Visions Beyond the Veil.” And I have a picture in your new book of a city in China where your grandfather was. So obviously you went there and did some investigation, is that right?

Rolland: Well actually I was born in Kunming.

Sid: Ho.

Rolland: Where “Behind the Veil” took place. And that picture in the book is of the very court yard and chapel in the old Chinese building where those visions took place.

Sid: My goodness, did you spend many hours in there praying?

Rolland: Well it means a lot to me because the book affected me as much as anybody else. And so yes, it was very very meaningful to find that old building. I came back many, many years later and my father helped me find it. I was standing in the courtyard and in that chapel and it was just a beautiful amazing overwhelming time for me.

Sid: Now did you as a young person did you, did you have the desire to do the same thing your grandfather did? And that is work among the needy people in China and see these young kids become powerhouses for the Lord?

Rolland: Well I was overwhelmed by my grandfather’s testimonies and as I grew up I would visit him often and sit on his lap and he would tell me stories upon stories of supernatural encounters and demons and angels and visions. But I myself just simply as a young boy and man never thought I would be a saint like that, never thought that I could ever attain to experiences like that. So at first I settled for another life, a life of science and study and career back in the states. But it took a while for me to realize that God was calling me to a similar missionary life.

Sid: And now looking backwards, for those that aren’t familiar with the Baker Ministry they’re in Africa. They have started upwards of 5000 churches, they support 2000 orphans where they feed them daily and take care of them under their ministry; some 17 people have been raised from the dead. And I have to tell with all of those things the thing that tickles me the most, that excites me the most is you now and your wife are reaching orphans that are having the same experiences that the orphans your grandfather reached.

Rolland: That’s true, one of our main motivations to coming to Africa was to try to find the poorest people that we could find and the most helpless which would mean street children. And see a continuation of visions beyond the veil.    

Sid: Now how did you happen to come to Africa because I mean, I know your history, I know you were in Hong Kong and in England. And you know you did a lot but how did you happen to come to Mozambique?

Rolland: Well God dealt with us in several different streams and several different ways. Heidi herself long before she met me was filled with the Spirit and caught up in a vision in which Jesus audibly appeared to her and spoke to her and told her to be a missionary to Asia, England and Africa. I eventually also realized that God was calling me and that there was actually a possibility (chuckling) of my experiencing a life of missions in faith like my grandfather. And so while we were both in Hong Cong at the start of our missionary life in the ’80s I was reading a Time Magazine article and it was talking about the revolution and the persecution of Christians and the atrocities in Mozambique. They were having a terrible protracted civil war and I saw… I read to Heidi that the Red Cross trucks were being blown up by rebels and so many people were being killed by land mines and it just was one of the most horrible places on earth to be at the time. And even though we were ministering to so many poor street people in Hong Kong we had this restlessness. We knew that Hong Kong was not the poorest most remote and neglected place on earth. So we were looking for a more drastic place to prove the gospel like my grandfather did. He tried to get as far away from the nearest white man as possible and he ended up 10,000 ft. in the mountains of China to find the most needy place that he could find. But I read about Mozambique, Heidi’s immediate reaction was “We need to go there” (chuckling). And then over the next few years while we were studying in England and working with a street ministry there that we started as well the Lord began to supernaturally encourage us and point us and facilitate our interest in Africa. We did a lot of research in various countries of Africa and we kept zeroing in on Mozambique as the most poorest and the most needy.

Sid: You know as I have looked over your life story I can see the hand of God on your life starting with your grandfather and maybe it goes back even before that. Was your great-great-grandfather in ministry?

Rolland: No, I think it started with my father, I didn’t know my great-great-grandfather very well. He was in Ohio, it began with my grandfather actually. He left as a traditional evangelical missionary in the early 1900’s and then in his earliest times in China he encountered the Pentecostal Movement and was…that was a life changing thing for him. When the Holy Spirit filled him in that way and just kept pouring into him he was radically transformed and the Holy Spirit began to speak to him. And he was moved to go to the city of Kunming in far west China without support. And when he got there he and my grandmother just began to take in poor orphans he basically did everything upside down. Instead of beginning with big conferences, and conventions, and speaking with leaders, and government officials, and so forth he began with the least of these. Just the kids that he could find in the gutters, many of them were so sick that they would die in a few days but my grandmother would keep bringing in and washing them off. And he just started at the bottom and other missionaries thought that he was wasting his time you know he wasn’t dealing with potentially influential people. But he just kept doing it he just kept taking the low road and the result was one day the Holy Spirit just fell on these children and poured out more revelation on them than I’ve ever heard of in church history.

Sid: Now I’ll tell you I just couldn’t get over that book; somehow it came into my hands and experience it. But I have your book now and guess what? This could have been part of your grandfathers book.

Rolland: That’s true we came to Mozambique and we picked up and we volunteered to take over and we picked up, the volunteered to take over and take care of this old dilapidated government orphanage the government and other missions didn’t have any money to help with. And within a few months the children were saved and filled with the Holy Spirit and began to receive visions just like my grandfather’s children did. And almost every day children were coming to us with visions. Jesus appearing to them, as some of our rascally kids you know they were causing trouble and stealing and fighting. Jesus would come and in one night just tell them just to stop that, stop your stealing, stop your fighting and start serving Me and start preaching for Me and tell the people that “I’m coming soon and they’re not ready.” And the next morning they’re out preaching to our whole group.

Sid: I have to tell you after knowing your story and your wife’s story and how God has used you. What we call Christianity in the west, what we call religion in the west I don’t think that we can even call it that compared to what you’re doing. How would you like to be in a nice beautiful church as the pastor say in a beautiful city in the United States, have 1000 plus people and an IRA your retirement, everything compared to what you’re doing.

Rolland: Oh, we wouldn’t trade it for anything. (Laughing) The most valuable thing that we can ever have is faith, faith in our God, faith in our Savior and have our minds up there where He is instead of bog down here. And what the American Church needs is faith.

Sid: Now why don’t we have it here?

Rolland: (Laughing) Well Jesus has competition.    

Sid: Who’s His competition?

Rolland: Competition is the cares of this world, it’s exactly what Jesus said, it’s not a new concept He talks about the seed. Some seed falls on rocky ground and some seeds falls in the weeds and it’s the cares of this world and the attraction of the things of this world that distract us. So it’s the love affair with Jesus that we’re really after and the problem is if people don’t have enough faith in Him to be attracted to Him and so they’re diverted by other things.

Sid: Our talk is right but we don’t get the experiences your kids get, we don’t get the miracles your kids get. You think that’s it?

Rolland: Yeah, it’s an issue of word and Spirit. We need the word to understand the truth but it takes the Holy Spirit to take those words and use it like a sword to convict us and change us and to fill us with a fiery real love for God and for each other.

Sid: Well you know Rolland I heard your wife Heidi speaking about the sermon on the Mount I have never heard someone teach on the sermon like that because she taught by this is how it plays out in life as opposed to theory. And I’m going to ask her on tomorrow’s broadcast to do some teaching on that. And also it’s all supernatural the way the two of you got together, I see how God put the two of you together. I mean it’s perfect for the ministry that God’s called you to. But we’re out of time today….