It's Supernatural

Sid: I have a good friend on the telephone. I can’t say I know him that well, but I can consider him a good friend, primarily because I was a friend of his grandfather’s and I see a lot of similarity. My guest is Dr. Peter Wyns, his grandfather is Dr. Derek Prince whose been promoted to heaven. When I got ahold of his latest book it’s called… It’s quite a title Peter…

Peter: Yes it is.

Sid: “Fighting Death and Other Desperate Battles.” In your own words why did you write this book?

Peter: Well I came in contact with a couple, Ronnie & Clarice Holden who by all natural means should have died, but they learned to pray and they fought a spiritual battle and they lived, and he lived. I believe that there are so many people across the country who are fighting spiritual battles and some of them as though they are losing those battles, and they need to know how to fight, they need to know how to pray and put their faith in God.

Sid: Not only losing, but giving up because they’re not seeing victory around them. It is a spiritual fight it’s not dealing with flesh and blood.

Peter: Yeah that’s right. In fact the Bible says “That death is our last enemy.” You have to fight enemies, but were not always trained to fight. People don’t like conflict, they don’t live for conflict. Humanity wasn’t brought into a life of conflict, we love peace. So when conflict comes before us, often we don’t know how to fight, we don’t know how to standup, but we need to learn when we’re faced with trauma and difficulty. That’s what spiritual warfare is all about, and that’s what the book is all about.

Sid: Now this story is basically about a man that stood no chance of survival. In fact, didn’t the doctor tell his wife he only had hours or days to live?

Peter: Yes actually many times. They had 14 different doctors working on him. At one point they gave him 3 hours to live.

Sid: Just for those that haven’t read the book…

Peter: Yeah.

Sid: Tell me just briefly his story, what happened to him.

Peter: He was riding home late at night in his truck from his business; he owns a restaurant just north of Myrtle Beach.  A drunk driver going about 80 MPH t-boned him, and he went flying through the passengers window and rolled on the ground. The truck came rolling behind him and took out a fire hydrant, and he was a real mess. His back was broken in 2 places, his pelvis is broken, his leg was shattered, and all his insides were bruised and tore up; his kidneys, and his intestines, and his liver and such. They got him to the hospital, and then a short time after he became very septic. He had peritonitis, and they had to rush him to an operation. He went into a coma, and they opened him up and they couldn’t close him for 12 days because he was so swollen, and he was such a mess. The doctor’s just said “He cannot live, he cannot live.” That’s where Clarice, his wife, stepped forward and said “Doctor I need you to come into agreement with me for the life of my husband.” For a long time the doctor said “I can’t he’s just not going to live mam I’m very sorry,” but she insisted. Finally the doctor he said “Alright we’ll agree with you as much as we can.” They prayed and they prayed, and they won the battle. He’s alive today, 6 years later and doing fabulous.

Sid: If his wife had not understood, what actually I consider your book a manual for desperate situations. If his wife did not do what she did I happen to believe he would be in heaven right now.

Peter: Yeah there’s no doubt about it in my mind. It was just the wife it was also the whole church. You know she stay in the hospital for 52 days; slept on the couch in the waiting room, and every day, all day long and all night, the church had somebody with her, and they prayed. They just stayed, they stayed in faith and they listened to the Holy Spirit and they prayed, and they gave thanks to the Lord, and they did what the Lord told them to do through this whole thing. They saw miracle, after miracle, after miracle.

Sid: Just as a matter of review, I personally considered your grandfather one of the best Bible teachers of anyone I’ve known or studied. What was his spin on healing, what did he believe?

Peter: Grandpa Derek believed that if we met God’s conditions we would get God’s blessings. The more we lined up with God the more we would get of His blessings. Because we don’t get of his blessings it means that in some way we’re missing out on what the Lord has for us. So he believed with all of his heart in absolute healing in every situation if we could find the heart of God and press through in agreement with Him.

Sid: You know I listened to a cassette this past weekend of a friend of mine who’s battling cancer. He’s a tremendous Bible teacher his name is Jack Frost. He said “This last year has been the best of times, and the worst of times.” The worst of times because of the pain, etcetera, but the best of times because finally he’s learned what the book of Hebrews talks about the Shabbat, the Sabbath rest, he’s learned what it is to rest in God.

Peter: Yes.

Sid: It was so wonderful, but your book has… I have to call it a manual for those are close to giving up, or have hopeless situations in any arena.

Peter: Yes.

Sid: Now you talk about a word we hear a lot, but I don’t think we really understand. It’s called prayers of supplication. What does that mean?

Peter: Supplication is one of the 7 types of prayer that I’ve discovered in the scriptures. In supplication itself it means a desperate cry to God for help for a miracle in a time of great trauma and crisis. It means a bowing of the heart; a taking ahold of God; it means to wrestle with Him like Jacob wrestled with the angel and he won the battle and was blessed because of it.

Sid: Now speaking of desperate prayer you’ve prayed for a lot of people that have been sick that God has healed. Tell me about someone dead that you prayed for.

Peter: Yes it was just a couple of years ago we were in a ministry time in Shallotte, NC. The meeting was going on quite late because we had hundreds, and hundreds of people that we were praying for. I was kneeling down on the ground beside somebody who was, you know receiving some ministry. This man came up behind me, he’s a good friend now, his name is Marvin Rollins. He came up behind me and he said “Peter I’m not feeling well.” I turned around and saw him and his whole body was covered in perspiration. The church was air conditioned, it was cool in there, but he had perspiration on his neck, on the back of his hands. He was having a heart attack I had seen this before. We actually had a nurse there, a heart ward nurse there who verified all of these things later. I immediately stood up and had him sit down on the side of the platform and I got a cloth and started wiping his brow, and at the same time I was just rebuking the demon spirits that I could see were attacking him and wanting to take his life. While I had one hand behind him because he was swooning, and you could see he was losing the battle and he died. His pulse stopped, the nurse was there she took his vital signs. I just rebuked the spirit of death and I said “You spirit of death I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. I command life to come into you,” and he just took a gasp like (sound of quick inhaling) like that. Immediately his eyes had life in them, and his heart started again, and he started to breathe again. Within a minute he just sat up and he just got better and better. He stayed for the next 2 days; he never went to intensive care at the hospital. When the conference was over I talked with, I said “Marvin when you get home would you go see a doctor and let us know what has happened.” He did, and 2 weeks later we got the report, and he said “My doctor said it’s amazing the condition of my heart has changed, my physical heart.” He said “I no longer have any high blood pressure, I don’t have any cholesterol problems,” and he said on top of all that “My back that was severely full of pain and had a lot of problems with it” he said it’s totally been healed as well. It was amazing. I’ve seen him several times since then over the last couple of years, and he’s just rejoicing in the Lord.

Sid: Peter what is the biggest lesson, and there’s so many lessons we can learn as you wrote about the great miracle of Ron Holden. What is the biggest lesson you’ve learned from that?

Peter: Well there’s a story Jesus tells concerning prayer. He said “There was a widow lady who felt like she was unjustly treated. She went to the judge and the judge didn’t pay any attention, but she kept nagging and nagging and pressing in and asking. Finally the judge, who was not a great judge, but he said because the woman was nagging him he finally acquiesced and said ‘Okay I am going to help you.’ He brought justice to her situation.” Jesus told this strange story and then He said “I want you to pray like that. I want you to continue to come knocking on the door like this woman did to a God who is just.” I think what happens is that when we push into God, we do it with faith in our hearts and with thanksgiving in our hearts, then even though we might not begin having the keys to unlock the doors that need to unlock. I think God will many times give us those keys as we walk with Him, and amazing things can happen.

Sid: Briefly, because it’s a new book, tell me one person and the affect it had on them when they read your book “Fighting Death and Other Desperate Battles.”

Peter: Yeah, many people have been blessed, but one in particular is a story of a man up in the Pittsburgh area whose life was hanging in the valence and somebody in his family, or one of his friends got ahold of this book and read it. Because of that they decided to go into 5^th gear in their prayer, they decided to fight for his life in a whole new way. They gained faith, and they prayed, and prayed. Within a week his whole situation turned around and he was brought back from the brink of death.