It's Supernatural

SID: Speaking of supernaturally, I heard you tell something that happened to members of your congregation, including your wife when they were out in the spirit, laying on the floor. You and others saw smoke coming out of them.

HRVOJE: Yeah, we had that. We had a pretty rough time in the church. People and persecution coming up but people were so hungry for God. So in our prayer meetings they would lay down on the floor, they would just give their lives as a living sacrifice. It was such a glorious time. In that time we had a lot of healings, even five people raised from the dead during that time. But when people would rise up, come up again you could see smoke coming out of their shoulders and their head. We believe it was like God said, “I accept your living sacrifice.”

SID: It’s a foretaste of what is coming—

HRVOJE: Oh yeah.

SID: … because the statement that I’ve been saying lately is, “All hands on deck.”

HRVOJE: Come on.

SID: It’s not just one or two people that God anoints to become superstars through media or something like that and I’m saying to you that all hands on deck.

HRVOJE: Come on.

SID: As best you can, explain the glory of God.

HRVOJE: I think the glory is best described in Luke 5:26 where Jesus healed a paralyzed man and forgave his sin. The Bible says, “The people saw that and they say, ‘We have witnessed strange things.'” The word strange is paråxenos in Greek and para means before and doxa means glory. And paråxenos we get the word, the English word, paradoxical. Something crazy, unexplainable, something unusual, something which doesn’t make sense.

HRVOJE: So they witnessed something, they witnessed the glory of God and it doesn’t make sense for their human mind. It doesn’t make sense for all the natural laws. It doesn’t make sense from it. That’s why they say, “We have witnessed strange things,” paradoxical things but it was the glory of God. It’s when heaven and Earth overlap and the supernatural overrides the rules of the natural.

SID: Most people just say, “God, I’m like me, show me your glory,” but then the Bible says we can go from glory to glory to glory. I’ve really got to understand these 10 levels of glory. How about you? What level of glory are you at?

HRVOJE: Oh, number one.

SID: Next question.

HRVOJE: I believe I am in level six and actually I believe that’s my … yeah, yeah. I love that level because it’s the level of the fear of God and I believe that the fear of God is the most important thing in our lives. I believe if you have the fear of God that it is a doorway to all other glorious miraculous steps and experiences in our lives. I believe if we have the fear of God I believe we are going to … our countries are going to be changed because of us.

Audience: Yes.

HRVOJE: I believe our families are going to be changed. In the Bible there is nothing which is connected to more blessings than to the fear of God. Nothing, nothing, really nothing. Even Jesus, the Bible says that Jesus during the days of his first—

ROLAND: That sounds like a mandate of transformation to me. So we’re to go from those that are just receiving joy to those that are powerful distributors of it. Those that are to rebuild ruined cities, renew places long devastated it says. So, yeah, so much more powerful. It’s going to include joy for us but it’s going to include joy for us to give away that changes and transforms culture.

SID: So I could be operating in supernatural joy. That doesn’t mean I’m just giggling at a table. That means I’m releasing the atmosphere of heaven. So I could be in a prison and release the atmosphere of heaven.

ROLAND: Yes.

SID: I could be in a restaurant and release the atmosphere of heaven. I could be in my family and release the atmosphere of heaven. And what happens in the atmosphere of heaven?

ROLAND: Anything can happen in the atmosphere of heaven, Sid.

SID: You use the term, invincible joy.

ROLAND: Yes, invincible joy. Let’s talk about that. As I said, the joy of the Lord is our strength. And invincible joy is what God wants to give us. Psalm 2 is a very interesting psalm for me. It’s one of my favorites. It’s a psalm that doesn’t anywhere speak to God. It speaks from God. What does it start with? Why do the nations rage? This is something that we’re still asking today. The nations are raging. They’re in chaos. They’re in turmoil.

SID: Right now.

ROLAND: This invincible joy, right now, this invincible joy, this overcoming joy, this joy with authority is supposed to rest on us. Here when I saw this it really transformed things for me. God says the nations rage and he has set his king in place. We know who that is, Jesus, the Messiah, but it goes on to say this, “The one enthroned in heaven laughs”.

ROLAND: The one enthroned in heaven, the nations rage but God laughs and it’s not a callous, mocking laugh. It is an overcoming, it is finished, glorious transformational laugh. We get to live underneath the laugh of God. Everything changes underneath the laugh of God. I don’t know if you ever thought about that before but the nations rage and God laughs, even in the midst of everything that’s happening, God is laughing over the plans of man.

SID: Now, the supernatural power of joy works for nations and works for individuals.

ROLAND: Yes.

SID: Give me some examples.

ROLAND: Yeah. It’s very, very available for us as individuals. I remember praying over a group of people in a night of worship, an encounter that was very powerful. God was moving and as I began to pray for people joy was being released in a profound way. It was really wonderful. People were laid out laughing. People were receiving joy. People were receiving encounters with Jesus.

ROLAND: And one lady, God instructed me to put hands on her and just probably laid hands on her for 20 minutes and released the power of joy. She was overtaken with the power of joy. She wrote to us and said, “The clinical depression that had been in her life for three years was broken that night and had not returned.” She was set free from clinical depression by sitting under the atmosphere of heaven and the atmosphere of joy.

SID: I was so surprised when I listened to a music video from a cantor in a Jewish synagogue that was a Christian song. I didn’t think they’d put a Christian song there, but then it gets even better. This song, you’re probably familiar with it. It’s called Prepare Me to be a Sanctuary. Now, if you look up the word sanctuary in the Webster’s Dictionary, do you know one of the first descriptions is the Holy of Holies. In the temple, the Holy of Holies was where God himself dwells. So the song is saying, “Lord, prepare me to be a sanctuary or a Holy of Holies, pure and holy, tried and true, and with thanksgiving, I’ll be a living sanctuary. I’ll be a living Holy of Holies where God himself is going to dwell all for you.” Let’s roll that.

SID: (singing)

SID: So that song begs a question for the Jewish people in that conservative synagogue and for everyone that is watching right now, Jew or gentile. How do we become pure and holy? Well the Torah, the Book of Deuteronomy tells us how. In the 18th chapter, Verse 15, 18, and 19, it says, “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet from the midst of your brethren like me.” This is Moses speaking to my Jewish people. So it’ll be a prophet like Moses. “And to him, you shall listen. I will raise up for them a prophet from among their brethren like you and will put my words …” I want you to catch this now, “Put my words in his mouth.” In other words, inside of his sanctuary, inside of the Holy of Holies. His body is like the sanctuary to house the voice of God.

SID: Now, if it’s going to house the voice of God, that means the Jewish people in that synagogue were singing a song to God to prepare them to have the word of God or God himself inside of them. This one that is going to come will obviously be greater than Moses. Moses couldn’t do this. It had to be someone coming. “This one who shall come shall speak to them all that I command him,” and then there’s quite a consequence if you don’t follow what he says. “Whoever will not harken to my words which he shall speak in my name, I,” this is God speaking, “I myself will require it of him.” That’s pretty serious.

SID: Now, the one that is to come that will be housed in our body which will be a Holy of Holies is the messiah and the perfect shadow of the messiah was the whole animal sacrifice system in the temple. They would take an unblemished lamb and he would die for the sins on Yom Kippur. We call it substitution. In other words, the animal dies for our sins each year. Now, Genesis 22:8, Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac and Abraham said, and he’s speaking to Isaac, “God will provide for himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” In other words, God’s going to supernaturally prepare this lamb for this substitution, but this one will be greater than Moses to be our sacrificial substitution for sin to last eternity. God calls us to be holy as He is holy, and He not only calls us to walk in holiness and the only way we’re going to do that is if God himself is inside of us in our Holy of Holies, in our body, and He’s going to equip us to a wonderful gift to have the supernatural ability to walk out what He tells us to do.