It's Supernatural

SID: Okay, now you’re going to love this next dance. Remember, when she uses the word dance it’s literally a strategy from victory. Many of my guests provoke me to such jealousy like Ana. I said, “Ana, do you ever see body parts hanging in the air that God wants to put into some of the people in the congregation?” She’ll say, “Oh yeah, I see that. Yeah. Isn’t that normal?” Tell me about in Washington, DC, the body parts you saw.

ANA: We were praying and then suddenly I looked up and I saw these kidneys fall from the sky. So I grabbed them. Now this sounds weird, but I grabbed them.

SID: You can see why she provokes me to jealousy, don’t you?

ANA: And so I held them and I say, “Who here needs kidneys?” Then slowly but surely this woman came forward and she said, “Oh, that’s me.” I said, “I’ve got them. Can I pray for you to be healed from whatever’s going on?” She said, “Yes, yes, yes.” So I prayed. I said, “In Jesus’ name, I pray for the creative miracle of new kidneys.” I just released them and then she was completely healed. How I know she was healed is she said, “God, I want to test this.” She went to drink gallons of water, which she could never hold her urine before without pain and she was completely healed. It was amazing.

SID: One of my favorite dances is the dance of joy. Tell me about that.

ANA: I think joy is one of the most overlooked weapons we have against the enemy. There’s that Scripture in Psalm 23 that says, “I sit at the banquet table in the presence of my enemies,” and I think, man. Then in Psalms also, in 16 it says, “In your presence is fullness of joy.” So if we’re going to sit at the banquet table where there’s a feast before us in the middle of our enemies and going through warfare, we can actually get full of joy. When we get filled of … Because His presence, we get filled of His presence. We get filled of joy. It actually shifts the atmosphere. I’ve seen this personally come. I’ve seen it in action because I pray for people sometimes and Sid, I have to tell them, “I’m not laughing at your situation. I’m just going to warn you, when I get full of his presence I giggle. I just start laughing.”

I said, “Please don’t be offended,” but just like I’m laughing now. Please don’t be offended. But I just feel His goodness and I know that He’s going to heal you, so I just get full of joy. And what happens is then they get healed and I’m like, “Praise God.” So this thing about joy is so important. But see, we don’t think about warfare like that. We don’t think, oh, we could sit up in His banquet table. People ask me how do you do that? How do you sit up at his banquet table?

I say now, this seems simple, but I take the scripture and I take it and put it into action. It says Philippians 4:8, it says, “Meditate or dwell on the good things, the pure things, the righteous thing.” I take that and I sit and I go, “Okay, I think about Jesus. Jesus, you’re good. I love you, God because you’re sovereign. Father.” So what happens is I’m doing that. I’m no longer thinking about what I’m going through, the hard things, the testing stuff I’m going through. I just think about Him, and as I think about Him, suddenly things start to get lighter, right? It’s like, then you can find yourself right up feasting in His presence. The banquet table is all about feasting in the presence of God.

SID: There are two kinds of heavenly encounters. Everyone knows about one kind. That’s the sovereign one, where someone’s caught up into heaven, but very few understand about the second kind. Tell me about that sovereign one that happened to you.

PATRICIA: Well, in 1994, it’s January 1994, I was in Florida at a revival meeting and I did not know, Sid, at that particular time that you could actually access heaven when you were living in the Earth. I didn’t know it. But the Holy Spirit took me up into heaven in that meeting and it was definitely sovereign. Sovereign, we mean, it’s under God’s control. It’s not like, we didn’t believe for it to happen or anything like that. And I was actually shocked and all of heaven was laughing. There was such joy in heaven. And I struggled with that a little bit at the time because I thought, well down on planet Earth, we’ve got a lot of issues that need to be looked after. We could use your help, but it looks like you’re having a party up here or something. Right?

And so I was a little bit struggling with that. And the Lord spoke to me, He said, “We don’t have any anxiety here. There’s nothing that we are concerned about because the victory is already secured and we live from that position. And we want you to live from that position in the earth.” And so it was a real testimony to me and I gleaned a lot out of it. I had some other visions within that encounter and that … but when I came out, I wanted more of those sovereign encounters. So I kept crying, “Oh God, take me back, take me back.” And I was waiting for God to sovereignly pick me up again and take me into heaven. And it didn’t happen.

Then you bumped into a mutual friend of ours, a prophet that is now in heaven. His name was Bob Jones. And it changed her whole paradigm about ascending or descending with heaven. Explain it.

PATRICIA: So that was six years later and I’ve been praying for another encounter this whole time and I was picking up Bob Jones from the airport, first time I met him, but I’d heard a lot about him and about his spiritual encounters. And so, when I picked him up, we were in the car going back to his hotel and I told him about my 1994 encounter. And he says, “Yep, I have those every day. They’re my raptures.” He called them his raptures, right?

I said, “You have these every day? I would love to have these every day.” He says, “Well, you can have them every day.” And I said, “Well, would you pray for me?” He said, “Yep, but not now.” So I thought, “Oh Lord, this is going to be amazing.” So the next day we’re in the lunchroom at the conference, and he says, “Well, do you want to go?”

And I said, “Yeah, you mean like right now?” He says, “Yep.” He said, “It says in the Bible, in Ephesians 2, that we’re seated in heavenly places in Christ and Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven.” So he said, “You’re already there. Why are you asking for something that you already have?” And it was like, “What? I don’t feel like I’m already there.” And he said, “It’s got nothing about feeling, it’s about following the Spirit. Right? And also in Hebrews it says that we’re to come boldly before the throne of grace to obtain mercy and to receive grace in time of need.” Well–

SID: Can you take a scripture and give me an example of…..say?

JUSTIN: Absolutely. So one of the easiest ones, because it is a prayer, is what we would call The Lord’s Prayer or The Disciple’s Prayer out of The Sermon on the Mount. Jesus teaches us, when you pray, pray our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done. Well, she would say, take that prayer phrase by phrase and spend as much time with each word as you need to. So, whenever you pray our Father, you had parked there and say, “God, you’re such a wonderful father. You’re teaching me how to be a son. You’re teaching me how to be a daughter. Thank you for loving me like a Father.” Then you would move on. Hallowed be your name. God, your name is wonderful and glorious. Your name is above every name. And the purpose is allowing your spirit to fully engage with the revelation of the word of God.

And she would teach that however far you got before the presence of God became so overwhelming that your focus was more on his presence than what you were reading, then you stop there and you allow the presence of God to be the sole focus of your affections and your love and you just allow the presence of God to be your all in all in that moment. She would say that the goal of Bible reading is in the quality rather than the quantity read. The purpose is to get the revelation of the word of God rather than to accomplish reading a certain amount of scripture.
SID: Look into that camera and to tell our audience, what the word of God really is to you. The Bible, the thing that sometimes she’ll dust off and open up because you’re desperate, but that’s not what it is to you is it?

JUSTIN: Yes. The word of God is bread. It is food. The word of God is that living water. It’s the very life from the heart of God that he’s provided for us, that we can touch and taste of God himself, his very nature through the revelation of his word. It’s one of the most glorious gifts that he’s ever given to man because at any time you or I can open our Bibles and have a face-to-face meeting with the creator of heaven and earth, the God of the universe. That’s what the word of God is to me.

SID: What would you say to someone that is watching us right now and they say, “You don’t understand. I have a stressful life. I get home. I want to not open my Bible and just zero out.” What would you say to them?

JUSTIN: I would say that we don’t even realize often how much we need the life of the spirit and the life-giving power of the word of God. Many times the exhaustion that we experience at the end of the day is predicated by our desperate hunger for the word of God and the presence of God. And so if we don’t have a desire to get ahold of God and to go after his presence and to dig into the word, I think the best place to start is to say, God, make me hungry. Stir hunger in my heart. Help me to hunger and thirst like the deer panting after the water brook. A prayer for hunger is a prayer that God will always answer.

SID: Everything you’ve been saying is really neat to us that I didn’t even get to the teases, what happened when you went to heaven? We’ll be right back.