It's Supernatural

Sid: I’ve been interviewing Leif Hetland for the last week and a half now on a revelation that he has been entrusted with to bring to the Body of Messiah. He calls it “Father Loves You.”  And you say that God has shown you Leif that one of the big problems in America is an orphan Spirit, what do you mean by an “orphan spirit?”

Leif:   Well, first of all an orphan; the sadness of orphans is like in Africa and close to 25 million because of the AIDS crisis but an “orphan spirit” it started with Lucifer that wanted to be like the most high.  He comes into the garden he didn’t like son-ship that Adam and Eve was experiencing.  And I’m not talking about gender; and I’m not talking about gender when I’m talking about son-ship because just listen all of you ladies that we guys are going to be called Bride of Christ for eternity.  So I’m not talking about a gender issue but more of a position; the spirit of Son-ship was there but the orphans don’t like that.  They don’t like the blessings, the benefits, but see what Adam and Eve had before the fall came in; and orphans will try and disrupt this.  And then you can go and try to study all through the scriptures and you will find a people whose son are you; whose son are you?  That is over and over again and that reflected who you are.  In the life of Jesus He proved true Son-ship; in the natural for 30 years and in the supernatural for 3 years.  But the “Orphan spirit” that I believe that all of us are born with we have it even after salvation where it is either often demonstrated; I’m not saying always in either rebellion or in religion.  And we can see that over 90% of the believers; it is either give me, give me a value system based upon on what God is going to do for me. Orphans they are looking for a place of security; they’re looking for a place of love; they’re looking for a place of purpose and destiny.  They may do it through church; good things but they don’t have it in Father God.  So they don’t bring it to church so they want somebody else to do it for them.  So when I’m dealing with the orphan spirit there is so much to be able to be said about it.  The orphan spirit is a way of thinking; it is a world view; it is a way you look in the mirror and you always have to work and strive and stretch for things to compete with other people the way that you are viewing God instead of looking to Him as a loving Father you see Him as more authoritative somebody.  I praise God for Jesus that He stood in the gap between me and this Father; “Who wants to climb up on to Daddy’s lap?”  So the orphans the way they look at God; the way they view pastoral authority?  And the best way is when you squeeze an orphan you see what is in them that’s going to come out.  And it is this is the insecurity and the insecure people makes people feel insecure; often motivated out of fear; intimidation.  And I see it to be honest with you more often in pastors than with anyone else; I mean when they’re getting together. What is it?  It’s kind of a competing; how many did you get baptized, how many got saved or numbers or money or statistics or I hope that he is going to pray for me.

Sid:   Let me ask you a question because I believe this fits into what you’re saying.  Why is it so many pastors effectually of larger churches feel that they must exercise tremendous control over the congregation or everything will fall apart?

Leif: It’s definitely I think that it’s totally motivated out of fear and again it’s “Perfect love casts out all fear.”  So what we have learned is that… I told somebody some years ago when I lived in Columbus, Georgia that “I can build a church in Northern Columbus of 5000 in five years and I could do it without the Holy Spirit.

Sid: That reminds me of Jim Baker; he was in prison near where I live and I used to visit him when he was in prison.  And he said the same thing to me about a television ministry; it’s scary.

Leif: It is it’s scary.  So what I’m saying here is with pastors and I know many of them that had these mega churches. And so here you have to set up a system; you have to set up a control because fear is the motivating factor that is built around it.  So the singing and everything around it has to be in order; has to be in control and when I need to be in control of every different thing.  The first that I know in a person’s life is fear and motivated by fear instead of understanding that Jesus said “I will build My church and when I will build My church the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.”  He wants to build His church, but we are a little bit afraid of that because if He takes over that He does what only He can do and He’s left with the honor and the glory. Suddenly this fear that we will not be needed; that’s one thing.  And there’s another fear that He will mess up our systems that we built because it will look very different than what we see in the Bible.  And there’s many other motivation in regard to fear, so I think and I know a lot of pastors in mega churches and I speak in a lot of them  That I even sat with one the other day with fear because here your thinking about here’s people and the people pleaser.  Certain people gives a lot of money; so you have to think about the building program; so you have to make sure that certain people are coming back again.  And then you have the list of all the different things that needs to be right in the service and everything else.  And of course if you’re motivated out of fear “Without faith it’s impossible to please God.”  You’re no longer a God pleaser you become a man pleaser.  And the best way for you to become free from that is a “Baptism of Love.”

Sid: Leif in your series you talk about different types of fathers we might have had and the affect it has on us even today; even many years after our fathers perhaps have died.  Tell me the different types of fathers people might have had.

Leif:  Well, one example you might have a performance type of Father.  I see this a lot in the Asian culture but also in America.  Where a father himself they may have come through 2^nd World War; went through tough time.  They want to make sure that their kids are going to be successful; they’re not going to go through the pain and hurt that we went through.  So we have a whole generation of the boomers and the busters that came in this time where the value system that the father did was if you got a B the next time son you are going to get an A.  And you better hit that ball right Son and if not you got the look; all during the life time it was based upon what you’re doing.  Look, oh you hit the ball and I’m proud of you now but you missed the ball and that look is also the same way now when they are looking at the Heavenly Father.  If I just do all of the right things the Father will be pleasing; but if not they can almost feel like the Father is giving them the look.  And we have all received the look and we know the look like I am not pleased with you right now you did not live up to my standard; I’m not proud of you.  And it is based upon performance and that’s one, a performance oriented father.  Then if you have an abusive father you are afraid if you had an abusive father.  That does not mean that he sexually abused you; it could be that is one of the worse kind of abuse for a child and we’re dealing with that all the time in our healing meeting when I do this conferences.  But it could be verbal abuse; it will be you are not going to be anything.  Or it can be an abusive control matter and the result of that is also the father.  They are afraid of intimacy with Father; who wants to be close to God.  So all of these different types of Father images if it is authoritative; if it was abusive.  And that’s the daddy and that’s the danger and I started getting tears in my eyes here.  But I went to my Son a week and a half ago and I said, “Do you know what saddens my heart is that daddy is gone so often when you need me; but what speaks to my heart is you have started to feel that God is distant that He is not there when you need Him and you have started to feel that with the wrong thing.  I want to repent and I want to say please forgive me Son; I do want to spend more time but when daddy traveled 184 days God said to me.  Your Son feels like I am absentee that I am not going to be there when he needs me; I don’t have the time.”  And the result of that is you and I realize that with my own son and even now that he has pulled back because he don’t want to be hurt because he has the expectation that God is going to show up and it doesn’t happen.  Or that daddy was going to come and no the airplane was late or it was a snow or a layover and he didn’t come on the Birthday party.  When you have that then suddenly these things are inserted towards God.  So it affects the way that we view God as a Father and a loving Father.  And of course He doesn’t look like any earthly father does; He’s the perfect Father.  So I am loved by my Father; I am pleasing in my Father’s eyes; I have a purpose in my Father and He is not ashamed of me. He has totally forgiven me and I am accepted by Him and I am secure in My Father; and He never judges me.  And that is a New Testament picture of the Father that Jesus served and He is the perfect reflection.  If you want to see how God looks like look at Jesus and He said, “If you’ve seen me you’ve seen the Father.” And that was the whole purpose it was Son-ship; not an apostle, prophet; miracle worker but demonstrate son-ship.  And all the other ships can follow in your life if that is your focus.

Sid: How did we get so far removed from what Jesus said were the two important commandments?

Leif:   Well, I do believe with all of my heart first of all if I were the devil one of the things that I would do is try to distract us away from that is what is going to change the world.  So I think that that is going to change the world; so I think that there is a hold…

Sid: Do you think you could have been with a team that has reached a ½ a million Muslims if you did not have your own intimacy with the Father and didn’t have this type of pure love with Father God?

Leif:  Well I can also say yes and I see other people doing also great things; I can give you one example also.  One of my heroes is Derrick Prince that we all know.  Derrick Prince had one of the greatest ministries in the world and probably one of the greatest delivery ministries of all the world.  But if you read a newsletter 1998 he wrote about the Fatherhood of God; the spoke about it and he preached about it and he taught about it and he was one of the greatest people to help people become free.  But he said in 1988 you can read about it in his newsletter and it changed his life forever.  And it was the first day in his life since India how a cloud was lifted off over his head.  Or the greatest love by Thurman, the famous book that’s sold in millions.  But ask his wife after he died he was not a lover at home; it is totally possible to have the giftings to have the anointing and to do all these things and still not be a lover.  And that’s the dangerous part; most of the things that I had accomplished I did it before I was a lover, but I didn’t do with rest.  And I do believe Psalm 2:8 now is one of the verses over my life; “Ask of Me and I will give you the nations as your inheritance and the outermost part of the world your possession.”  It is a gift to be achieved and not to be achieved and sons inherit the Kingdom of God.