It's Supernatural

Sid: Many of us have been so wounded that we literally maybe not as much as Teresa Liebscher who was able to block all the abuse she had and she blocked in out until the age of 40.  But there are many areas that we have blocked out from our thinking to protect ourselves.  And I have on the telephone Dawna DeSilva and Teresa Liebscher; I’m speaking to them at their church in Redding, California of which they head up a ministry called Sozo. Dawna, would you briefly explain what Sozo is?

Dawna: Yes, Sozo is a very kind and gentle form of deliverance and inner healing.  We go into the wounds and the lies in people’s lives and we ask the Lord to bring truth and once we bring truth to those areas the demonic has to bow and our patterns begin to change in how we respond in our life.

Sid:  And I am so almost overwhelmed how simple you approach this it’s not like any deliverance I’ve seen; it’s as you’ve said you want the person to have respect. And many of the wounds that people have have come from mother, father, sister, brother.  In fact, Teresa you were talking on yesterday’s broadcast about mommy wounds.  Would you explain these types of wounds and what affect this has on us especially with our intimacy with God.

Teresa:  One of the really cool tools that we have we call it the Father Ladder. It is a tool to help you see and understand your connection to the Godhead. Because that’s the intimacy when you have the connection to the Godhead then you have a relationship with all three of them they can really come and interact with you meet your needs and take care of you provide for you. What happens with us is that the family is the place that God created to help us understand that connection to the Godhead because…

Sid: You know Teresa many people have a connection to the Godhead intellectually and not experientially and they don’t understand why. I believe that this is key to understanding why and how to change it.

Teresa: Yes, that’s true we do have an intellect connection but we don’t have a relationship connection.  And the relationship is what we learn in our earthly family.  Because the father meets certain needs and connects with us on an identity level on a security level.  And our mother connects with us with comfort and nurture and teaching and then our siblings are friends like if you don’t have any siblings but we have friends in the neighborhood or church or school.  They help us with communication and companionship.  And when we have those connections then we can connect with the Godhead because Father God comes and He gives us our identity and He gives us our protection. And the Holy Spirit comes and comforts us and nurtures us.  And Jesus is our best friend, he’s closer than a brother; and so we have a grid we have an understanding within our earthly family how we connect to the Godhead. But even perfect families and definitely dysfunctional families we don’t learn that connection, we don’t learn how to have those relationships and so when it comes to having those relationships with the Godhead we don’t even have a clue of what it means for that.

Sid: I’m reminded that so many families in America are single parent families so there’s got to be a hole big area to overcome.

Teresa:  That is a hole place too that is part of that dysfunctional.  But even if your mother was emotionally disconnected or your father was physically there but emotionally disconnected there’s all kinds of different ways in which we can’t connect. And with the Father Ladder this is a great too because all we have do is ask one maybe two questions and we can go right to where the root is; we don’t have to ask a whole bunch of questions; we don’t have to find out detailed explanation of your family life we can just do a little bit one or two questions and we’re right there at the root. Then all you have to do is walk through some forgiveness renouncing lies and then ask the Lord to give us truth.  And with that kind of walking through process it’s amazing how we start to see and understand our wounds and lies.  And what the truth is that overcomes those wounds and lies.

Sid: Teresa give me a real life person that had a problem without naming names, and the question you asked and the answer; help us understand that.

Teresa:  One of the most common things that we hear especially when it comes to Father God is what we do is we sit down and we ask the person “How do they sense, see or feel Father God?” Almost… it’s amazing how many times people say “Well, He’s like the Abraham Lincoln statue in Washington, DC.”  And just by having that information we can even assume that it’s like WOW that’s cold that’s distant.  I mean it’s not very welcoming to come and sit in his lap because there’s no arms to wrap you up in. And when we have had…we walk people through forgiving their early Dad for being cold and distant; for not having warm arms.  For not having a warm laugh; it’s amazing to watch the expression on their face change and go “Oh my gosh, how did you know that was my relationship with my dad number one, because we haven’t asked any questions. Number two that’s how I do think of Father God; I think He’s far away He’s not close to me. He can’t wrap His arms around me and then we renounce the lie that Father God is going to treat them the same way the earthly father is. And then we ask Father God what’s the truth and the truth is a little bit harder to actually explain because the truth always comes very individualistic to that person.  Because the Lord comes and meets our needs; and it’s not just necessarily a blanket statement. But so many times the Lord will come and say “You know what I’m right here with you.”  And they wrap, the Lord wraps His arms around the person and then the person just starts crying because they never thought they could ever have that kind of relationship with Father God.

Sid: You know in your CD’s one of you I think it might have been Dawna was talking about some bikers that just broke down and started bawling and crying and that is not the macho image I have as a biker.  Tell me about one of them.

Dawna:  Well, he was we were at the very end of the seminar and they were there out of having to do it was part of their drug completion and they were Christians and he came up to me and I was praying for someone else.  And he started crying and I’m like okay well I’ll take you and I started praying for him and I said “What’s going on?”  And he said “I got this Jesus thing and I got the Holy Spirit, but I cannot connect to Father God.”  And I said “Okay, let’s do this, are you safe with Jesus?” And he said “Yes.”  And I said “Can you picture Jesus.”  Yes, He’s right here He’s with me.”  He could picture in his mind and I said “Jesus, would You come; would You bring Father God into this picture.”  And He actually jerked his head away, and I said “Father God will not strike you.”  And bam he hit the ground and he was sobbing and just this moan and one of those moans where you don’t know if it’s a good moan or a bad moan. And I got down and I said “Is this good or bad,” He said “Father God is holding me” and he just sobbing because he’s never known a safe father.

Sid: Let’s just jump to another area for a moment.  Many people are… they perform to get their parents to love them and as you explain in your teaching, then we perform to get God to love us.  How do we get out of that trap?

Dawna: Well, we need to realize that Father God… we need the healing that Father God is not needing us to perform for Him. He’s not expecting us to perform for Him.  That what we do is out of our love for Him not for out of our need to be recognized by Him or to get a value from Him.  And it really comes through the tool of the Father Ladder.

Sid: How do you visualize Father God?

Dawna: Personally?

Sid: Yes.

Dawna: I can tell you that it’s been… it changes as we grow.  I can tell you the weirdest one I ever had was I saw Father God in a Roman bath; in this big bath house and said “Come on in here.”  And I’m like “Not on Your life am I coming in there with You” and that was one of those places where the Lord had to show me you know “I will not abuse you, I will not harm you in any way.”  And I just jumped on in and I mean it sounds so weird but the healing that took place in knowing that He’s not going to inappropriately touch me.

Sid: So what you’re saying is depending on the needs that’s how the Holy Spirit pictures Father God to you as your growing the way you need Him to be.  Well a lot of people just all they can do is picture Jesus when it comes to Father God.

Teresa:  I had a young man that I ministered to that when we got the Father wound healed he saw Father as his father who would come and sit and watch football games.  And Jesus was his brother who… and they were sitting around in shorts and tank top eating popcorn and drinking Coke and watching football games.  So it is very true that Godhead comes and meets us where we’re at because it’s important to them to have a relationship with us. 

Sid: You know I’ll just share a little personal thing my father was a very distant type of father an absent type of father.  My mother did everything and I just started developing a quiet time with God and I see myself playing with Jesus and Father God at the beach.

Dawna: That’s a beginning of your healing that’s an awesome picture.  We have people all the time that when we’re done with the Sozo’s they’re either in Father God’s lap or their playing with Him.  And sometimes they’re on His back and their playing horsy and sometimes…

Sid:  Awe Dawna and Teresa were out of time…