It's Supernatural

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah, my guest Diane Nutt speaking to her at her home in suburb of Dallas, Texas. Diane from a little child even though you’ve backslid but praise God He rescued you.  But from a little child you’ve understood the intimacy with God and I have to believe that all the stuff you went through when you backslid broke you that you even carry more of the Glory of God.  I want you teach on how we can be carriers of the Glory of God, I want to teach on how we can have intimacy with God; the same intimacy that you have.

Diane: Well, the first thing that I believe that needs to be established in our heart is that when we come to the Lord and we receive the power that’s in the blood of Jesus that we are forgiven and everything is forgotten.  And that is a key thing of being able to cultivate the presence of God. So we must get past the place of sin in our life and remembering it because a lot of times we do remember it because the enemy wants to use it to keep you with your eyes on yourself.  And so what I always teach is that there is a place where God wants us to dwell that is above the mercy seat. At the mercy seat we are conscious of our sin, but when we go above the mercy seat into the Holy of Holies it’s just His Shekinah Glory and so we have to truly forget.  And someone said, “Well how do you forget that Diane?”  You just forget it, you cast down the vain imaginations that come in your life that exalt themselves against the will of God and you bring it into captivity the very thought of the obedience of God’s word, of His will in your life.  And you have to seek Him, it’s the more you seek Him and Sid a lot of times you know people even people listening right now you’re saying “Well, how do I seek Him?”  Well, you find a little place a quiet place to sit before Him. He wants our full undivided attention and He wants you to know right now those of you that are listening and He wants to bring you to that place of just knowing that He is always there.  He said, “He’d never leave you, He would never forsake you.”  But yet He calls you and He bids you to come away with Him, that’s because He wants you to leave the place that you are in in this earth and He wants you to recognize where you have been seated and that is in Heavenly places with Him.  And when you learn to not focus on your circumstances and what you’ve done and where you’ve been and you just begin to worship Him, then what happens is you invoke His presence.  God inhabits the praises of His people and so when you start praising Him and you just acknowledge who He is and what He has done for you, then that really does take your eyes off of yourself.  And you know Sid a lot of times I’ll just say “You know Lord I’m not going to go anywhere until I know that I know that I know that you are here because I don’t want to just know in my mind I want to know in my heart because I feel You.”  And God is a very tangible God and He wants us to feel the majesty and spender of who He is.  Because you know what someone that’s listening right now you feel pain in your heart, you feel angry, and you don’t know why things that happened in your past that you are not identifying with. God wants you to just receive His love right now.  And just say to the Father. “Lord God I give You the anger and I give you the bitterness and the sadness, the depression and I receive Your comfort, I receive the comfort of the Holy Spirit, I receive Your joy; receive the completeness of who You are in my life Lord, make me whole this very moment in Jesus Name.”

Sid: Diane, I want you to explain and perhaps maybe even gives us an example of how you worship God.

Diane: Whenever I first started just worshiping the Lord quite often we think we need to have the CD, or a worship tape, but you just release what is in you so I just begin to release what was in me and worshipping the Lord and just singing to Him.  “I worship You Lord, I worship You Lord, I honor You; You’re worthy Lord, You’re worthy Lord.  Oh, there is nobody like you Lord. I honor You Lord, I honor You.”  You know you just start worshipping Him and just start loving Him and exalting Him because everyone has a song in them.  And when we sing that song to the Lord out of our heart it brings deliverance to us.  But as I began to worship the Lord in that way then there were worship songs that I would learn and worship songs that I would just get while I was singing to the Lord and it would just carry on to a deeper place of worship.  And I believe this is a powerful way for us to just enter into that Holy place that God wants to bring us into.  So then I started singing this little song that said, “Come to my chambers, sweet Holy Spirit, speak to me softly as I close the door. Heavenly lover let Thy presence cover Shekinah anointing is all I long for.”  See how sweet that is He loves for us to just invite Him into our lives and then to desire for Him to hover over us and to dwell in us.  And when we just forget about every-thing else and we just worship Him, then He comes and He brings His love and He brings that beautiful warmth of the embrace of His grace in our lives and that love that is just overwhelming.  And all of a sudden you just forget everything totally and it is all about Him and that’s what I was talking about rising up above the mercy seat.  Not being conscience of yourself but it’s totally Him that’s all we can see and that’s all we can feel is just Him.  Sid I play the keyboard by ear and I can just pick up a tune and just begin to play it and so I’ve had people that have gotten delivered, you know they’ve listened as I’ve played on the phone.  And one person in fact he used to be a pastor in our church, a youth pastor.  He almost ended up on the floor underneath his desk, one lady went through a deliverance for about three, almost three hours and the deliverance just continued I mean she was…

Sid:   You mean just while she was listening to you worship God with your little playing by ear piano.

Diane: Yes, yes she literally I mean demons were manifesting and you know her sons and this was what was amazing is that her sons came to the door and they actually saw her you know going through deliverance and was able to tell them that everything was okay you know not to worry about anything.  But she was going through some strong deliverance.

Sid: You know this is normally not taught and I don’t know why it’s not taught and most Christians go through the religious ritual of going to church, having the pastor speak, and doing the announcements and same old, some old and they don’t change.  But there’s so much more, and I believe what you’ve talking about right now is such a missing ingredient among believers.  Are you being provoked to jealousy? I hope you’re being provoked to jealousy.  Now if you don’t do this to get something from God, you do this because you’re madly in love with the Lord is that right Diane?

Diane: Yes, yes I am He means more to me than the air that I breathe. I love Him dearly, he gave me my life, He spared my life time after time, after time.  All of my weakness and wrong choices that I’ve made He still loves me, how can I not love Him.  He loves me first and He gave me such compassion in my heart.

Sid:  I want you to talk about compassion on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be normal in their prayer life which means you pray based on the promises of God and it comes to pass, that normal; anything short of that is abnormal.  I’m so excited about my guest Dr. John Benefiel because God has given him revelation on how you can be a normal person when it comes to prayer, how you can literally divorce yourself, because of ignorance in many cases you have been married to a false god; his name is Baal.  And you are going to be divorced, every hook he has in you is going to come out, and then you can really be a pure bride of the Messiah.  Now John some of the information that you have I have never ever seen before, for instance I just recently saw a special on the original Rockefeller and it said that he was a strong Christian in this special and I think it was the History Channel.  But you told me what’s in Rockefeller Center, tell me now again.

John: Well, in the middle of Rockefeller Center which is shown on the Today Show every morning this broadcast for Rockefeller Center is this big old statue that’s stretched out that is over the skating rink that there and it’s a statue of Prometheus.  Prometheus has in his right hand a flame just like the Statue of Liberty does showing this is the light and the way.  Well Prometheus we know is just another name for Baal another manifestation of Baal.  And you say well Rockefeller was a strong Christian, but you see that’s what the enemy does, the enemy tricks us into going his ways when if we understood what he was doing we would never ever do that before.  And that’s why this Baal divorce decrees is so important that we free ourselves from ways that we’ve gotten involved with Baal, the ruler of the demons. You know in 2^nd Chronicles 7:14 God says “If my people who are called by My name,” that’s Christians will do four things.  “Humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways.”  Well, that’s what a lot of my teachings about is about wicked ways that we didn’t even know was wicked, then God says “I will hear from Heaven, I’ll hear your prayer, I will forgive their sin and I’ll heal their land.”  So we need to know the enemies tactics because the Bible says that he takes advantage of us through his schemes and trickery; I’m tired of being tricked.

Sid: Speaking about being tired of being tricked wouldn’t it be wonderful if the promises of God all of them are activated in your life? For instance John when you started praying in your own home state Oklahoma and your own home city, Oklahoma City, when you started praying this way, tell me what happened in your city.

John: Well, lots of things, Oklahoma City is regarded as the most transformed City with a million population or more in our nation.  A lot of evidence is that, the national marriage conference chose Oklahoma City to meet here in 2010 because they saw the unveiling story of the transformation of our city.  When we first started praying in our city we had only one luxury hotel in the downtown core, we now have ten with four more under construction.  When you go from one to fourteen luxury hotels, I mean just in the downtown core, it says something alive has happened.  We’ve seen the legislature and the executive branches of our state being totally transformed where now more than 2/3s majority are born again Christians, the governor is a personal friend of mine, wonderful Christians lady who asked us for prayer often. We’ve seen in Oklahoma City for example that we’ve had the lowest unemployment rate of any city in the nation over a million population for the last four years.

Sid: What’s going on in real estate out of curiosity because we know what’s going on in the rest of America?

John: Moody’s ranked our commercial real estate as number two in the nation and when everybody else’s real estate went down our went up a little bit. So we’ve not had that bubble and burst here in Oklahoma City that others have had.  And so we’ll the Forbes magazine when the recession started they came out with a big article in 2009 that says that Oklahoma City was the most recession proof city in the nation, and it’s been exactly that.

Sid: Wouldn’t it be wonderful if Christians started praying the way you’re praying John and their cities this happened too; there would really be… you know a lot of Christians have given up hope about America, but have you given up hope about America?

John: Oh no, I haven’t given up hope about America I’m more excited about America than ever before.  You know I’ve gone to all fifty states and done this teaching and led a remnant of people because I got a prayer network in all fifty states and forty-two nations.  I’ve led people into this divorce with Baal and the Writ of Assistance and we’re seeing miracles in other states.

Sid: Tell me about miracles in people like physical healings, what are you seeing in your church when you pray this way?

John: Yeah I’ll give you a couple of examples in 2005 there was a young lady that when she was a little girl had an operation on her eye and the surgeon severed the optic nerve. So she was totally blind in that eye from a child.  After we began to deal with Baal, I laid my hand on her eye and God gave her a brand new optic nerve, it was confirmed by the doctors.  They said, “Yes, you got a new optic nerve and you can see perfectly out of that eye.”  Well, we took away his legal right to rule, bareness broken, for example I taught these things in Atlanta and I led the congregation to divorce Baal, there was a woman there that she and her husband trying to conceive for over ten years and we laid hands on her prayed for her and right away they conceived. I just got word the other day that they’re expecting their second child.  So bareness has been gone, we…

Sid: Tell me about that person that they had a baby and the organs literally supernaturally moved.

John: Yeah, absolutely, and this is in the early days of dealing with Baal before we ever had the Baal Divorce Decree but we knew we were dealing with Baal.  A couple in our church that was a result with dealing with Baal and praying, when this little boy Blake was in the womb all of his organs were outside of his body and the doctors advised the mother to abort little Blake because he wasn’t going to be able to make it.  Well they came to the church, received prayer, after we had dealt with Baal, but in just a few days the babies organs were inside of his body and then he was born fine and…

Sid: Did the doctors have any explanation for this?

John: No, they didn’t have an explanation at all, no explanation at all.  I mean if his organs were outside of his body, how are you going to get them inside of his body?

Sid: Well, if God could do that, he could do anything John.

John: He could do anything because you know Sid one of the things is that Baal always goes after the next generation trying to cutoff the extension of God’s covenant.

Sid: What about so many Christians children are now not following the Lord by praying this way could we change their destiny?

John: I believe we can, they still have a free will, but you know the Bible says the god of this age has blinded the minds of those that don’t believe, when we take authority over the one that has blinded their eyes which the Baal Divorce Decree, and the Writ of Assistance does then they are free to come to their senses and make Jesus Christ the Lord of their lives.

Sid: You say that Billy Graham made this statement “That until they’re revival among the Native Americans there will not be revival in America.” Why did he say this, why do you say this?

John: He said and made this statement in the 1960’s to that affect he said “That the American Indian is like a sleeping giant; America will not experience revival and awaken until they do.” God put the host people here first for a reason and we could go into all the reasons why but if He put them here first they were to be the stewards of the land.  They have had, what I’m told is or statistics are less than 5% of Native Americans on reservations in the United States today are Born Again and that is because of what my white skinned ancestors did when they came here and presented them with the gospel.  But what they did we killed them, we lied to them, we broke covenants with them, 372 treaties covenants that our government made with the American people and broke every single one of them.  Broken covenants, which is what Baal does, leaves a legal door for the enemy to come in and mess things up.  So I believe the Native Americans are very much key to our nation and that’s why God let us in beginning to reconcile with the host people of the land and was after that then that our dealing with Baal because supercharged when we became in covenant with Native American believers. With what they had and what we had together God’s been doing miracles absolutely miracles across the land.

Sid: Now you’ve been actually showing evidence that Native Americans some tribes were actually the lost tribes of Israel.

John: I know it’s amazing and people may not understand and believe it or not but just for example, two examples.  Well, there’s a book “Out of the Flame” written by James Adair back in 1775 the history of history of the American Indians.  And in that book this man knew Hebrew he lived about 40 years among the Cherokee and the Choctaw and the Chickasaw and gave in this big thick fine print book proofs that these tribes were descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel.

Sid: Well how in the world did they get to America?

John: The ancient Assyrians captured, the Bible tells us, the northern ten Tribes of Israel; when the Assyrians captured their people they scattered them among the other nations where they captured the people; among them was the Phoenicians and the Egyptians.  The Phoenicians and the Egyptians were ancient mariners and Dr. Barry Fell that wrote the book, the Harvard professor that wrote the book “America BC” documents 100s of places across America where ancient Egyptians came and Phoenicians claimed the land for their sun god Baal.  And as they came here in their ships they would have transported a lot of the northern ten tribes of Israel and so they ended up staying here in the United States. I’m not saying that all the tribes are descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel. But the language of the Cherokee for example and the customs as outlined in the book by Dr. James Adair in 1775.  A big thick book showing that he believed that they were descended from Israel particularly the Cherokee tribe was descended from the tribes.

Sid: Woops were out of time but let me tell you something I’ve never heard the facts that he’s gathered…

Sid: I want to read a quote from my guest this week his name is Robert Heidler and he is Senior Pastor of Glory of Zion Outreach Center in Denton, Texas.  He has a very prominent prophet who is in his church Chuck Pierce who many of you are familiar with. I’m quoting from his brand new book it’s called “The Messianic Church Arising.” And when I talk about one new man there are missing ingredients and my guest Robert Heidler is an apostolic teacher.He has captured the best presentation of one of major missing ingredients of the church today.  Let me read you from the manuscript.  “Paul would go into a city; start a church the presence of God would come and then within a few years tens of thousands of people would be saved, and then the entire region would be affected.  By the end of the 1^st century the church is spread everywhere because the pagans didn’t have anything that could stand against the power of God in his church.  For 300 hundred years that’s what the church looked like.  Then around 325 the church began to change.”  Robert with all of your studies on the Messianic Church on the first church one of the things that I recall in reading your book it really struck me it says you were so excited about the writings of the first followers of the Messiah that just so pulsated with the glory of God.  And then when you got to seminary and you read many of the latter church fathers there was something different about their writings would you explain?

Robert:Yes Sid when you begin from the apostles who wrote the New Testament, who were Jewish, over to the first gentile church fathers there’s a dramatic difference in what you see because they quote from the New Testament and the Old Testament but they don’t understand it.  There’s very little insight that they show as a matter of fact one church historian commented that going from the apostles in the New Testament to the early gentile church fathers is like going from a beautiful well watered oasis out into a stark dry desert.  And that’s the feeling that you had that there’s something the early church had that the early gentile writers really didn’t know how to grasp hold of.

Sid:If you were put that in one succinct thought what is that missing ingredient?

Robert:The missing ingredient is the life from the root. God spent 2000 years imparting into the Jewish people a knowledge of Himself and how to walk in His presence but the Gentile church beginning at really very early rejected much of that.  And it’s like taking a tree and cutting it off from the roots and slowly the leaves begin to shrivel up and die because they don’t have the life that it needed from the root in order to thrive.

Sid:Well I am so excited about your book because it explains the missing ingredients of how the church could go from such glory, such power that literally the pagans couldn’t stand up against that power to what is today.  We’ll get into that a little later on in the week, but I especially am intrigued by a word that you use and a lot of your writing it’s got the word is called “cycles.”  And in particular the cycles of God which call God’s key to increase and blessing.  Explain first of all what is a cycle.

Robert:Well a cycle I like to describe it like this a cycle is something that goes around and moves you to a destination.  God gave us certain cycles of life and that was one of the things he used to keep us on track to keep us in tuned with his timing so that we would be able to fully enter into what he had for us.

Sid:Now tell me when we take the biblical festivals and I’m going to read a little bit about it right now from Leviticus chapter 23 verse 2. “Speak to the children of Israel and say to them the feasts,” and the Hebrew word means the appointment or the appointed times.  Or as you put it the appointed cycle of the Lord,“which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations these are My feasts.”Then He proceeds to say to do them forever over and over again He says this.  Now a Jewish person that doesn’t know the Messiah knows that you just follow what it says; you do what it says you do it forever.  But a Gentile Christian that reads some of the teaching in the New Testament combines it with some of the traditions and they don’t know diddlyabout these I like to call it “God appointments.”  What have you found the purpose of these God appointments are because you’re a Gentile Christian; what is the purpose for Gentile Christians?

Robert:Well Sid I see, I think it’s important to see that the feasts were  not just rituals and they weren’t just holidays but they were appointments with God they were times when God wanted to meet with His people to accomplish some very specific things in our lives.  And I know as a pastor I have seen that there’s some people that they get saved and they come to know the Lord and they’re very excited but you look at them 5 or 6 years down the road they have drifted away, they’re not excited about the…

Sid:Sounds like the church in the book of Revelation

Robert:Yeah!

Sid:It says “You’ve lost your first love.”

Robert:No one sets out to do that, no one says I think I’m going to drift away for the Lord it’s just something that happens.  Living in the world that we live in is like being on escalator going down and if you don’t do anything you will just naturally drift away.  And so God said “Every year I want my people to go through this cycle and I’m going to do something very specific things in their lives that each year is going to keep them drawing closer, keep them moving forward in their relationship with me. So each year as we go through this cycle it draws us closer and closer into God’s glory, closer into His presence.  And now that doesn’t happen necessarily if we’re just going through as rituals or the holidays, but if we really see what God intended in each of these then we really see that there was a specific spiritual transaction that He wanted to do in our lives at each of these holidays.

Sid:Now you are not saying that if someone doesn’t observe the biblical festivals it has anything to do with their righteousness, anything to do with salvation so whatdoes it have to do with?

Robert:Well, it’s a very practical thing, take Passover for example.

Sid:Which is this evening.

Robert:Which is this evening;what Passover is all about is simply this knowing that you are redeemed by the blood of the lamb out of the hand of enemy.That’s what Passover was for the Jews in Moses day, that’s that Passover was in the early church with Jesus as our Passover Lamb.  It’s knowing that we are redeemed by His blood out of the hand of enemy.You know take the area of deliverance ministry I remembered Derek Prince once saying that the number one, the strongest profession that a person can make with their mouth is “I am redeemed by the blood of the Lamb out of the hand of enemy.”  And he said, “Ifhe can bring a person to say that and say it in faith what that does that breaks the power of the enemy in their life.”   And so every year at Passover God wants to bring that around make it very firm in our memory, firm in our life that we are going into this year knowing that we are, the power of the enemy is broken the oppression of the enemy does not have to be on us during the year but we can walk in the power of redemption through the blood of the Lamb.  And that does something each year as you go through that it allows you to go into the year in a new level of faith every year.

Sid:Now Robert in your book “The Messianic Church” this is so revolutionary to most Christians, what kind of reaction are you getting; you did the book in booklets previously and then added a lot of new things and put it together in a book.  What reaction are you getting?

Robert:I am having people write and call and just say “This book changed my life.”  Peoplesense that they’re not experiencing what the Bible promised; they look at their lives and their saying there’s something missing and of course there are a lot of things missing because we have lost a lot over the years.  But this is one of those things, it is one of the things that God had intended us to have, he gave it to us.  He gave us our Jewish roots, the feasts, the Sabbaths, the understandings of God that He imparted into Israel.  He gave those as resources as gifts to strengthen us in our walk with the Lord.If we don’t have those things it doesn’t mean that we’re going to Hell but it means that there’s something missing and we’re not able to experience the full blessing God wanted us to have.

Sid:Robert one last thought.

Robert:Well, Sid I am just so excited at what God is doing in the church because He really is restoring the One New Man and the Jew and the Gentile when they are brought together in God’s covenant there is a strength and there is a wholeness there that we can never have separated.  And it really truly is creating a sanctuary, a tabernacle where the presence of God can dwell and where the power of God can be released in the earth.

Sid:Listen you are saying such powerful things…

Sid:  Now a subject that I have been studying and thinking about lately is a subject that few people talk about it’s called “The Day of the Lord.” I mean that’s it, that’s the final judgment but there are warnings before the Day of the Lord hits and these warnings it seems it’s almost like the warnings has if she’s expecting a child that it’s ready to come to birth. Well, we’re in the birth pangs of the Day of the Lord at this moment.  So I’ve asked my friend John McTernan to talk to me about what he sees going on.  And what really triggered it John is a month or so ago when the Chick-Fil-A incident occurred and one man who owns a chain of carry outs made a statement to a Christian publication “I believe in the Bible” in reference to marriage; that was it.  Not anything to do with his business it’s his personnel belief. It caused such uproar that major and leaders of cities of major cities in the United States said, “We no longer want your franchise in our city.”  And I feel that we hit morally, Biblically, rock bottom in the United States of America.  Now I’m curious John what did you think when that occurred?

John: Well Sid the kind of stunned me because these were publically elected officials like you said, mayors or major cities, Chicago, Boston, Washington, D.C., other smaller cities also in Philadelphia there was a reaction.  And what they’re saying is they don’t want God in these cities.  And they because of the conflict between Biblical, the authority of the Bible and marriage which is ordained in the Bible, and the homosexual agenda of same sex marriage they’re saying to this man “We don’t want you and your business in our city.” By inference it means everybody that believes like him.  I can’t think of a time in American history when anything like that ever happened, now of course individuals could say it and maybe some organizations could say it but elected public officials it shows that America has reached a really high level stage of rebellion against the Lord and is rejecting the Bible.

Sid:  And when I think of your John McTernan I have to tell you the vision that I receive is an Old Testament Prophet that is like a John the Baptist that is going around saying “Repent the Kingdom of God is at hand.”  And I can see you running around saying “Repent, the Day of the Lord is at hand.”  What is going on if you can put this into words inside of you in your spirit; what are you feeling, how long have you felt this?

John: Well Sid that’s a real interesting question and throughout my ministry with the Lord I kind of learned like Isaiah talks about the burden of the Lord, and I’ve experienced that, I’ve experience it just prior to 911.  I remember for about a week or two before 911 I had this heaviness and I was warning, I was telling people something terrible is coming on America and it’s right on top of us.  But what happens Sid starting… I can remember vividly January 1^st of this year New Years when I saw the year 2012 something hit me deep in my spirit and it’s kind of like dread came over me this like burden but it wasn’t as intense as 911, but it was constantly there and it hasn’t left.  This entire year I’ve got this ominous feeling that something dreadful is happening or going to happen to America.  And as the year progressed I mean we’ve had incredible drought, record breaking drought and heat, our crops are being destroyed all over the country, massive forest fires, we’ve had incredible tornadoes and of course the economy is continuing to tank.

Sid:  Let me for those that aren’t familiar with you John I want to take you back to a pivotal date in your life October 11^th 1987. What happened?

John: Well, Sid that’s the day that the Lord called me into this ministry.  It had to do and I remember it vividly because I had just moved to Pennsylvania like a week before. I was watching TV and on the news it had to do with a huge homosexual gathering in Washington, DC.  At that time it was the largest gathering in history of homosexuals and their supporters.  It kind of upset me I turned the TV off I didn’t think of praying, I didn’t intercede before the Lord, I never even thought of the Lord.  A week later well…

Sid: By the way, you know what you’ve just done you have described the average; I hate to say this, good Christian in America because at this point we have been desensitized to sin.  It’s become so rampant throughout all of our media that that’s the way most good Christians react; it’s not the way they should but it’s the way they do.  Okay, so you saw it, you felt a little disgusted you said, “Awe look what’s going on,” and you went about your own business, then what happened?

John: Right Sid, you hit the nail right on the head and then it was six business days later the stock market crashed, the big crash in 1987 when it fell 508 points but the whole week before it the stock market went into record decline so immediately after that homosexual march in Washington the stock market began to melt down until it finally fell 508 points. I was watching the TV and the news announcer he was literally quivering in his voice; you could see his lip quivering “Is this going to be the start of another great depression, is this going to be an economic meltdown?”  And Sid the Lord intervened in my life right there, He took me back I had a vision of the week before and watching the homosexual gathering in Washington, He put the two together and I could hear His voice Sid inside me clear, it was crystal clear.  I was having a conversation with the Lord and He told me that this stock market crash was connected with the homosexual event that this was a curse coming on the country, that I didn’t fear Him.  If I feared Him I would have intercede, I would have cried out to Him, Sid I fell on the floor before the TV and I repented.  I said, “Lord I didn’t know what it meant to fear You.”  He said that, “The United States is naked and open before Him in judgment for the sin.  And that’s when He called me into this ministry and I began to see these tremendous correlations between Gay Pride Day and massive earthquakes.  Supreme Court decisions about abortion and earthquakes, hurricanes hitting on Supreme Court decisions.  Then in 1992 the Lord showed me the link for touching Israel as we begin to divide the land the same judgments were happening. So these great disasters that were hitting America would directly connected to abortion events, homosexual events.

Sid:  But wait a second John, some people would say “Wait a second, these aren’t acts of God the earth is just a self destructing, it’s old, and there are horrible events that happen all the time throughout the world; and you’re just tying it in it’s coincidental with Israel, abortion, and homosexuality.”  What would you say?

John: Well Sid it’s the timing, if I could show the ten worst disasters ever in America history are connected to these events like 24 hours.  If that’s not enough I could show twenty, thirty, forty, fifty.  I have over 100 of the greatest natural disasters including stock market crashes that hit America are directly connected to these events.

Sid: Well, that’s good enough for me I can tell you that. I am so excited to release to you we have just done 3 DVDs and John McTernan came to our studio in Charlotte, North Carolina our mentoring center.  And the first DVD is America, it’s Israeli, Jewish, relationship very, very few Christians know from “The Origins of America Why God Blessed Us,” and you’re going to get the facts.  And then DVD 2 “America’s Fatal Mistake Regarding Israel.”  And it is absolutely amazing God has given so many warning judgments to America; every American must, must understand this!  The 3^rd DVD is “The Coming Day of the Lord.” You see everyone know about the day of the Lord but they don’t know that the Bible clearly states what nations will destroy other nations, what will happen to countries.  We can even figure out what’s going to happen to America, what’s going to happen in the Middle East, it names countries and people that will be obliterated.  And I haven’t met any Christians that have all of this information as well as John McTernan.  Now short of the Bible one of the most important prophetic books I know was written by my friend John McTernan it’s called “As America Has Done to Israel” I want you to get these three DVD teachings and the book….and I’m going to tell you something if you could read the newspaper a year from today what difference would it make in your life?  Major difference!  You’re going to read the newspapers a year from today by watching these 3 DVDs.

Sid:  My guest Tommy Combs I’m speaking to him at his office in Dora, Alabama suburb of Birmingham.  Tommy told us on yesterdays broadcast the most amazing thing at 10 years of age shortly after he became born again he contracted Hepatitis C; his liver shut down; he just had days to live.  Oral Roberts just happened to come on the television and his mother just happened to touch Oral’s hands and agree that her son would be healed and a blue mist came into the bedroom and when this blue mist touched Tommy he was totally healed.  I mean this blue mist was so real Tommy is it true that an orderly came running in with a fire extinguisher?

Tommy: Yes, doctors and nurses at the nursing station left their nursing station ran to my room because the light had exploded with such an explosion. An orderly actually brought a fire extinguisher with him.  Because he thought that some machine or something in the room had exploded with fire; and there was fire in the room alright it was a healing fire of our Savior Jesus Christ that’s what it was.

Sid: And then even more exciting than that God deposited the gift within you that you didn’t even understand and had to be developed; it was sort of like knowing things.  Now out of curiosity before that blue mist came into your room did you have that gift?

Tommy: No, did not have the gift; did not understand the gifts, did not understand the gifts of God even after that day.  It had to be developed, had to study had to learn it was part of me and had been part of me that day on till this day the gifts of God operate through our ministry and what we do for God.

Sid: Okay, I’m going to take you now to 1992 and you were on a tour of Israel; you found yourself in the Garden of Gethsemane and what was going on?

Tommy: I was with our good friend Perry Stone he spoke to us about the garden what happened there where Jesus prayed there and then he told us go somewhere and pray.  So I walked over under some olive trees next to some rocks and sit down on a small rock form there and begin to pray to God and ask Him to lead us, guide us and direct us.  And he spoke to me in that still small voice right into my mind and said “Tommy you’re not doing what I want you to do.”  Now I had been in the church many years teaching Sunday school my wife and I started Christian School she was the principal.  We were tither’s and offering; he was building churches all through South America sending on trips around the world supporting the gospel to be preached all around the world.  And God speaks to me that day in the Garden of Gethsemane and says “You’re not doing what I want you to do.”  Well I had enough sense to ask the question.

Sid: I mean that’s kind of a scary thing for God to say that to you.

Tommy:  Just spoke to me, and I said “Okay, what do you want me to do?”  He said, “I’ll tell you tonight,” it’s 4:00 in the afternoon and we are going on some more visits to some holy sites around the city of Jerusalem and He says “I’ll tell you tonight.”  Well at 8:00 our tour group ends up in the upper room; I think it’s right above David’s tomb which you can go in visit it where they say maybe this was the place where the last supper took place, the Passover supper, maybe this is the place on the day of Pentecost so we celebrate that as that room it happened in.  We go in and we stay about thirty-five – forty-five minutes of a service; during that service our good friends from Gainesville, Georgia Jensen Franklin’s preaching and he preached about fifteen minutes and called me out.  “Tommy Combs come up here please” I walk to the front.  He says “Give me your hands” and I held my hands out in front of my body.  He said, “God’s said to tell you something,” see God will confirm things with other people.  He will tell you something and someone else will help you confirm that what God is saying to you.

Sid:  Now God did not want you to say “I’m going to test this to see if this is God.” He already made it clear that He was going to speak to you that evening. This must have been a very important revelation.  So, what did he say to you?

Tommy: He said to me, “Give me your hands,” I held my hands in front of my body.  He took anointing oil, he anointed my hands with oil and said these words, “God said to tell you when you lay hands on the sick He would heal them,” not I would heal them, “God would heal them.”  And then he laid his hand on me and I’m on in the upper room I am out under the Spirit of God in the upper room service. That’s when I knew that God had called me to lay hands on the sick.

Sid: But up to this point had you been praying for the sick?

Tommy: Praying for the sick in church services like we all do in some of our church services.  You know they come to the altar at the end of the service to pray you would ask them you know “What can I help you pray about.”  There would be numerous needs there but never had I seen anyone healed of blindness and cancer leave their body, anything like that.

Sid:  Okay, so 40 days later and I’m sure you’re aware of this Tommy 40 is a very important number in the Bible, so you were in the upper room that’s tied in with Passover, 40 days later you’re back in Birmingham and you’re minding your own business, I guess driving on the interstate and God speaks to you again.  What does He say?

Tommy:  The same still small voice comes right to me and says “What are you going to do about this man; gave me the man’s name and said, “What are you going to do about it?”  And you know I had not seen the guy in 6 or 8 years and I know him but I haven’t seen him in many years.  So I call my mother on the cell phone and I say “Mom, God just gave me this man’s name I’m driving down the interstate and God just spoke to me about this man.”  She said, “Tommy, that man is dying with pancreatic cancer at UAB Hospital in Birmingham, Alabama he has a week to live, 10 days at the most.”  I turned around at the next intersection, went downtown Birmingham, went to UAB Hospital, went upstairs and found him.  He’s laying in a hospital bed; tubes in his arms, he’s absolutely dying.  I said, “What’s happening?”  He said, “I’m dying.”  I said, “What’s the problem?”  He said, “I have pancreatic cancer.”  I said, “What’s the doctors doing?”  He said, “Watching me die, there’s nothing they can do, they are just observing me trying to learn from this terrible disease that’s took my body.”  I said, “I don’t think you’re going to die; I think God’s going to heal you.”  And he just shook his head at me like yes you know.  I took my coat off I had a coat and tie on, I took my  coat off and I layed on him, I took my hands and I laid on his body and I reached over and laid across his bed with my body and God healed him, total healing of pancreatic cancer.

Sid: Now any healing is a miracle, but what was wrong with his…did he have any of his pancreas left?

Tommy: No, the cancer had eaten his pancreas; his pancreas was totally gone.

Sid:  So in order for him to survive he’d need a creative miracle a new pancreas.

Tommy:  He would need a new pancreas and that day God gave him a new pancreas.  He could have went home that hour, they kept him two days.  They gave him test after test, x-ray after x-ray CAT scan you name it they gave it to him and they say “You do not have any pancreatic cancer, no cancer is in your blood.”

Sid: How does a handle when someone has no pancreas and then all of a sudden they have one when someone is dying and you’re using them as a guinea pig to find out about pancreatic cancer and all of a sudden they… “What did the doctors say?”

Tommy: The doctors said exactly what you and I were saying, the doctor’s said “Son, God has healed you.”  That’s what the doctor told him, “God has given you a new pancreas, we didn’t do anything, God has healed you.”  He went home in 2 days totally healed with a brand new pancreas no cancer in his bloodstream, no residue of cancer in his bloodstream.

Sid:  So Tommy what’s going on inside of Tommy Combs when he sees a miracle of that magnitude?

Tommy: I go back to the upper room; I go back to when God spoke to me in the Garden of Gethsemane.  I go back to that and God used that healing to build me to where He wants me to be.  Now there’s not anything I cannot believe God for; any healing I can believe God for.  My faith is on upper, upper, upper level I am there where God wants me to be because I know Jesus is the healer.

Sid: Tommy, you’ve had so many amazing experiences since but there’s something that kind of is just personal and it intrigues me.  In my notes it says that you started several orphanages and one is in Chernobyl. Why Chernobyl?

Tommy: I went to do a Bible teaching school up near Chernobyl, and while I was there I taught in the school for new preachers that we were developing put them through Bible school.  So as I was there I got to visit the area, I wanted to visit Chernobyl and when I did I came to this village, I came to this sight and there was an orphanage there with no support.  Children were stillborn with blind, stillborn with no fingers or hands; the reactor is actually still burning in the earth.  And so there I met the lady that ran the orphanage and she touched my heart and so we started supporting the orphanages and we’ve been doing that for over 10 years.

Sid:  Sounds Biblical to me.