Our Guest Hank and Brenda Kunneman
SID: Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Hank and Brenda Kunneman, and I am just in awed with the true prophetic gift. I mean last week we found out that Hank literally saw what was going on with President Clinton. When he was having that extramarital affair; I’m overwhelmed with this gift, but I am saying “God” and I am saying what you are saying, “God, what about me? Can I hear God that clearly, can I hear you that clearly?” What about the people, including me, that are reaching out with our heart right now and really want to hear God’s voice. Are you someone special or can we all be special?
HANK: I think that we all can be special and that is the beauty of it is, now the gifts of God, now what I operate in is an office, an office of a prophet. Not just that I am also a pastor of a wonderful church, but as a believer we all have a right and we all have the ability to hear from God. And what I always tell people, because they always say “how can you hear from God?” And I say listen I am not an expert at it, you know I’ve missed it before, but what I have learned to do is, my whole prayer life changed the day I went to God and I asked him one day I said “Lord I am not here to ask you for anything, I am not here to tell you anything I just want to know what is on your heart?”
SID: Now that’s a switch. When is the last time you said “God I want to know what is on your heart” I mean normally it’s: gimme, gimme, gimme – my name is Jimmy.
HANK: The Word of God is like Santa Claus…but I just, I learned something so powerful and it was that God has things on his heart. And all of a sudden I just began to write down, I had a little journal, I began to write down impressions that I felt, you know thoughts that would come to me, a knowing that I felt. And I began to document what I was getting and I began to notice that they started to come to pass. And it wasn’t anything like the world shaking you know like there would be like some national event…
SID: Despise not small beginnings.
HANK: Exactly, and it was things about my own life, things about my day, that wound up coming to pass, things about my family. And the Lord began to train me that way, but I am telling you it is so important as a Christian to ask God what is on His heart and then listen. The art of hearing God I think one is a relationship with the Lord that is so important you know, as I spend time with Brenda I learn her voice, I hear her voice.
SID: When my wife raises an eyebrow, I know what is going on.
HANK: Yeah, I know. I think that is what you have as well (speaking to Brenda). But the beauty of it is when you ask God your whole life will change, when you ask him what is on his heart. And then listen. I am a very intense person anyway, I am very restless. You know that to be true (speaking to Brenda), so for me learning to listen to God was a challenge, but I would just learn to lay quiet and just listen or kneel.
SID: Did you force yourself; did you have to literally, initially, especially if nothing is going on?
HANK: Yes I did.
SID: I mean that’s when it gets tough let’s get candid.
HANK: Well, there would be times when I would be praying and then I would be kneeling down and all of sudden I would be praying and I would be saying something totally out of my mouth that was not even relevant. Or I would nod off and go to sleep or I would be thinking about taking out the garbage, or something silly like that so I really had to train myself to just literally settle down, listen to the Lord. But I think that a lot of people, you know God told Moses to meet him at a place called there. And I think the most important key to hearing God, is you have to have a meeting time and a meeting place.
SID: In your book you talk about have a date.
HANK: Yeah, yeah, I know that may sound kind of squirrelly but the truth of the matter is the more real you make God the more real He will be to you. And before I met my wonderful wife of fifteen years, I used to take God out on Valentine’s Day, and Christmas and all of that was the loneliness days of my life. So I thought well you know I can make better use of my time, so I literally would take the Lord out and drive with him. And treat him as though He was right there and God began to match that and He began to speak to me and began to reveal things to me. Just in a simple, pure intimate way, just because I made time for him; I made a place for God.
SID: Now there was a time in your life even though you heard God clearly, that is was a real dry spell, and out of that came your book, called what Hide and Seek.
HANK: Yeah, Hide and Seek: Finding the God, well I was really kind of angry with God Sid, because I would pray for like six months – seven months and I would go into my prayer closet and I would literally say, “Lord where are you?” And a couple of times I shook my fist at him and said, “You know, you don’t want to spend time with me? What is the problem?” And I was getting very frustrated because I couldn’t sense the Lord you know some people feel God different ways. But I didn’t sense the Lord so I began to get very frustrated very upset at the Lord. And here is what I said to him, I said “God I am going to go out, and I am going to fast and pray.” So I went out and to fast and pray, and I thought you know that is going to change God right? You know so I went out to fast and pray and the Lord was not anywhere to be found so I thought, and I remember walking out into the woods and there were three deer probably I would say three quarters of a mile to a mile away, and I said “Lord you are not even listening to me I am out here fasting I have had this dry spell for seven months, if you are really listening to me or if you care, make those deer come to me God.” You’re not a God that, I mean you can do that; you parted the Red Sea.
SID: And so you really expected them to come to you, what happened?
HANK: Well, they ran the opposite direction.
SID: Oh no (laughing).
HANK: And I felt terrible, I thought oh no I have sinned and so I was mad, and you know how you do, or at least I do, when I was angry, and I said “well if I was you I would do it this way God” “if I was you”, and I began to talk to the Lord about I didn’t believe in his methods. I thought his methods of speaking to me were terrible, and I really had an attitude, and to be honest with you I probably should’ve gotten in big trouble. But here’s what happened I was so frustrated I just knelt down didn’t even kneel down; actually laid down and fell asleep and probably drifted off for about 45 minutes, only to be awakened by the sound of a deer snorting. I don’t know if you have ever heard a deer snort it’s pretty…I won’t imitate that. But the deer was snorting and I looked up and the three of them were literally about 10 to 15 feet away from me and that’s when everything began to change. And God said “Hank I have been here all a long I was putting something in you that will never be taken away from you” And I said “Lord what is that” and He said “spiritual perseverance, spiritual hunger.” Sometimes we only see God when we feel like it, sometimes we only see God when it is convenient but God is interested in us seeking him when we don’t have all of the feelings. When, sometimes we are in a busy life or a busy schedule, where we take time out to know him. And God showed up in a beautiful way and it has been intimate ever since.
SID: What about you; how would you like God to show up in a beautiful way, and be intimate forever? I mean literally – maybe you won’t have the office of a prophet but you are going to have intimacy. This is what He wants, this is what you want. Don’t go away, we are going to give you some clues about ready to have God hearing explosion.
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